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How to be Free from Ego

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5 November 2024[br](with subtitles)

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[Mooji] Can I just read it out?[br][Questioner 1] Yes.

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[M.] You write, 'Dear Guruji,

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I am too ashamed and afraid [br]to speak to you.

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I don't know how to observe with detachment.

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I don't know how to be aware[br]that I am aware.

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I still see this 'I' identity as real.[br]Please help me.'

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It's a very, very honest thing.

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I wish people would write more like this.[br]And just to say,

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because some people,[br]they hold back and they don't say.

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So I appreciate that you can say it,

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because I can kind of have a chance

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to share with you in a simple way.

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'I don't know how to observe [br]with detachment.'

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Actually, we are observing with detachment[br]many things,

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if they don't matter to you,[br]do you understand?

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If things don't matter to you, [br]you still see them,

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but you are not distracted by them.

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For everybody, it's the same thing.[br]So that's the first part.

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There is no such thing as [br]not observing with detachment.

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If, suppose everything you see,

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every situation you had,

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you had to remember.[br]It's just alive in you.

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We will be completely crazy.[br]Nobody can do.

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There is the mechanism [br]of our true natural state.

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It's working all the time to ...

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Like you can walk through here,[br]walk up there.

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You don't have to notice every step,[br]or notice everything.

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You meet a person. [br]Say, 'Hi, hello. Good morning.'

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You pass. You don't have to retain that.

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So a natural detachment [br]is functioning inside us.

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It's already there, the detachment.

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If we were not able to detach [br]and yet we are perceiving,

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we would be in trouble.

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So, first of all, know that it's natural, [br]that you meet people ...

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It's the things that matter to you,

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that you start to become more attached to.

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Like it has meaning, [br]and so I have to remember this thing.

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So it's almost like, [br]you take a kind of photograph

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in some kind of way inside.[br]It's like, that matters.

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So then it becomes important.[br]So like this, when you say,

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'I don't know how to observe [br]with detachment',

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if I say,

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But you are doing it anyway [br]with many things.

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If I walk through from the front[br]to the back here,

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and I say to everybody [br]as we're walking through,

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Be detached from everything,

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then it becomes a problem,[br]because it turns it into a strangeness.

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Because naturally [br]you're detached from things.

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You come to satsang

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and I'm teaching you something [br]much more powerful.

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And to bring awareness to something [br]that's already natural for you.

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But I want it to be natural for you,

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even with things that matter.

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[Q.1] Yes, that is my problem.

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[Mooji] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [br]It's a problem for everybody.

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With things that don't matter,[br]no problem.

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You don't even have to say,[br]'I'm going to be detached from that'.

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You don't even have to say that.[br]You don't have to think.

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You're just senses, eyes, life.[br]You meet these things.

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Nothing. Just move through them. [br]You retain your peace.

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But about the things that you say matter,[br]and what makes them matter?

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Let's slow down a bit and say,[br]what makes some things matter?

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It's an open question.

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Why do they matter?

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Some relationship, some concepts like,

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'OK, this is family, this is my job,

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this is my relationship'.[br]And these things matter.

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So if somebody else's relationship [br]is in problem,

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it's no problem for you.

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But if you have a relationship problem,[br]it matters for you.

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So what is this thing that I'm talking about?

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'To observe with detachment.'

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It's just a little step further[br]than what I say,

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you walk through,[br]you're naturally detached anyway.

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What I'm asking about, [br]learning to observe with detachment,

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is to bring that detachment ...

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Because whatever you see,[br]nothing sticks actually.

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A natural thing.

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But when things matter,

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your relationship, what you want, [br]your work and so on,

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it creates a structure in your mind

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and you have to take care of that.

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So, I'm not going into all of these things.

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I'm saying that, [br]OK, what is attachment, is to ...

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I want you to be aware [br]of a space within you,

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which is not changed[br]by whatever is happening around you.

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It's alive.[br]It's not dead, but it's not,

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it's not attached[br]to the outcome of things so deeply.

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I don't know if I'm putting it right.[br]I'm trying to find an example.

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[Q.1] I feel like there is no space.[br]It's just all mind and identity.

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[Mooji] Ok, if you are able to see mind,

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you must be looking from [br]some place that's not mind.

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This is true for everybody.

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It's just you're not aware [br]that it's like that.

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Actually, what I'm saying is [br]actually so powerfully true for you,

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when you are aware of it.

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And largely, the teachings[br]and the practice of what we do here

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is to make you more aware [br]of something about you

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that you are not so aware of. [br]For everybody, you see.

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And because we're not aware[br]in the place that you should be aware

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of your inmost being ...

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You can't see that.

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That's the other thing.[br]Everything else you can see.

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Every relationship, every object you can see.

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Every thought you can remember, [br]you can think.

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They are all called 'other'.

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Everything you can see.

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But your Self you cannot see!

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[M.] Do you get that?[br][Q.1] Yes.

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[M.] You can say,[br]'Oh, this is my body. This is my ring.

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This is my house. This is my car.'

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'My, my, my. This belongs to me.'

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'My, my, my.' [br]Everything belongs to you.

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'This is my family. This is my mother.[br]This is my house.

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This is my country. This is my passport.[br]This is my birth certificate.'

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All 'my', meaning they belong to you.

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But can you say, [br]This is my, 'my'? This is my, 'me'?

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You can't say, 'This is my, me'.[br]Why?

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[Q.1] Because I cannot see this.

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[M.] Yes, yes.[br]So because you can't see it,

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[M.] does it mean it's not there?[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] Right. So there's something in the world,

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everything you can see,[br]but something you cannot see.

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Everything you can see,[br]but something you cannot see.

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And yet you cannot deny that it is real,[br]isn't it?

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You know you are.

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Now, I'm going to zoom in a little bit closer

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in this feeling that, 'Yes, I know I am'.

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This thing which you cannot see,

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that you say, 'You know it is here',

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I mean, it's the first fact,

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because if it's not here,[br]nothing else is here, isn't it?

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[Mooji] But it cannot be seen, yeah?

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OK, so we are back to this point.

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Everything you can see, everything;

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your thoughts, feelings,

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objects, people, your feelings,

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all of these things, you can see.

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You can even see[br]the quality of your sight, isn't it?

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So if you went to the optician[br]and he said,

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'Could you tell me something, [br]why you come here?'

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You said, 'Actually, I'm not able to see [br]or focus on things so well'.

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He said, 'In both eyes?'

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You said, 'No, no, in the right eye'.

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'OK, tell me something.'

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You said, 'In the left eye, I can see [br]maybe 80% of what it should be,

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but in the right eye it's like about 50'.

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So something must be seeing sight,[br]isn't it?

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The capacity is there.[br]You don't have to ask anybody.

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You can see, yes, something is aware

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that even the sight is not functioning well.

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So something must be behind even the sight.

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OK?

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You are also aware of feelings,

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emotion, sense of time.

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If somebody said,[br]'Yesterday something happened',

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you are aware of what that means.

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Everything you are aware of.[br]Everything you can see.

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[M.] But your Self, can you see?[br][Q.1] No.

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[Mooji] Why?

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Your body you can see.

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Your body you can see.

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You can see your smile.[br]You can see your body.

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You can see everything.[br]But your Self?

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[M.] Is seeing your body [seeing] your Self?[br][Q.1] No.

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[Mooji] Why not?

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[Q.1] Because something is aware of the body.

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[M.] Yes, something is aware of the body.

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That something which is aware of the body[br]cannot be seen.

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[M.] You're saying that, no?[br][Q.1] Yeah.

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[M.] Can it see sickness?

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It can know, 'I'm not feeling well'.

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'I'm not feeling ...' [br]It knows emotion.

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'I'm feeling a little a bit uncomfortable.'

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It sees everything.[br]But itself it cannot see.

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You are saying that, no? Yeah.

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Why can it see everything,[br]but it cannot see itself?

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[Q.1] This I don't know.

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[M.] This which cannot ...

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You can see everything,[br]but you cannot see your Self.

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This which you cannot see,[br]yet you cannot deny,

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this is your Self.

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Everything you can see,[br]your feelings, thoughts,

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and the function of intellect.

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Everything you can see.

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But that which is seeing them,[br]you say, 'I can see'.

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It's sort of,[br]the word 'I' which represents this thing,

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but it cannot be seen.

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Even your mother can come and say,

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'Darling, it's nice to see you'.

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[M.] What is the 'you' that she is seeing?[br][Q.1] The body.

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[M.] The body. And she's seeing her affection,[br]her memory of you.

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All this she puts to be you.

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'Darling, it's so nice. Where have you been?

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I haven't seen you for a long time.'

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So whatever someone says,[br]'It's good to see you. Where you've been?'

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'You put on or lost some weight',[br]all of this is to do with what?

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[Q.1] Our appearance.[br][M.] Your form and appearance, OK.

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[Mooji] So, can she see you?

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Can you see 'you'?

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Is that scary?

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[Q.1] No, it's not scary, but it's ...

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Something is missing, or feels like ...

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[Mooji] OK, take a moment [br]and think about what's missing.

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You cannot see your true Self.

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I also cannot see my true Self.

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Why?

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Because it's not an object.

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It's not even a thought.

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[Q.1] But you say to stay as this. But ... [br][Questioner 1 laughs]

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[M.] Well. OK. OK, thank you.[br]I say to stay as this. Why?

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Because, first of all,[br]you imagine something else to be yourself.

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You call yourself a woman, a daughter, [br]you are from this country.

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'My parents, I am ...'[br]Whatever. Like this.

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So we are used to associating some quality[br]that represents you.

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But really, you are earlier than this,[br]in the purity.

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The one that is aware, that says ...

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You're talking on the phone,

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'I'm 27 years old. I have got two children.

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I'm married. I live in this place.'

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That one, is what?

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[Q.1] The person.[br][M.] It's the person.

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[M.] The person and the Self,[br]the true Self, is it the same thing?

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[Q.1] No.

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[M.] Does that bring a feeling of discomfort?

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[Q.1] No. [br][M.] No. No.

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[M.] Because there's nothing [br]you've to do to know that.

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Something knows.

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Yet most people in the world[br]have not even looked like this.

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They have not even thought about this,

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because your world starts with your person.

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If I employ you, I look at you, I interview,

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I say, Tell me about yourself.

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You say, 'I studied this in university.

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I lived in South Africa for a while. [br]I've travelled.'

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Information.[br]Information cannot be you.

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It's about your person.

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Which is, what is the person?

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[Q.1] This identity is the person.[br][M.] Yes, yes.

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[M.] Can you see the identity person?

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[Q.] Yeah.[br][Mooji] What does it look like?

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[Q.1] Some tightness, some attachment.[br][Mooji] Yes.

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[M.] Attachment.[br][Q.1] To ideas.

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[Mooji] Yes. Attachment to some ideas, OK?

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But the person is also an idea.

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[Q.1] This is the problem,[br]because it really feels real. So, yeah.

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[M.] Because it is the feeling 'I' in you,

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this 'I', it says, 'I see, I think, I ...' [br]Da, da, da.

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Who is the 'I' that thinks?

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We are not sure[br]if it's the person or the real Self?

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'I want.'[br]'Yes, I know.'

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Who is the 'I' that knows?

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Is it personal or impersonal?

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[Q.1] Personal.[br][Mooji] It's personal. OK, good!

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[Mooji] What sees it is impersonal?

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[Q.1] I don't know what.[br]I know something is seeing but ...

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[M.] Yes. It's the same answer. [br]You've given the answer already.

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It cannot be seen.

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So, this is the most important discovery,

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because until you really realise this [br]and know this,

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you take yourself to be an object,[br]perceiving another object.

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The object being your person.[br]And it's OK, it's OK.

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God made it like that. [br]That we would also be projected

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into the world of thought,[br]and feeling and association,

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and say, 'This is me'.[br]For a while.

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But with this 'I', that works as the person,

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its world and itself are never stable,

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because it has an identity.

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Is the identity of the person[br]always stable? No, no.

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But it tries with everything[br]to share that it is stable.

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Because stable means, it's wise, it's real.

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It's dependable. It's consistent.

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I'm just talking this through.

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But I'm pointing to a deeper knowing [br]behind this person,

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that knows the person, [br]that sees the person. OK?

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That which is aware of the person,[br]you are with me?

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Is it attached to the person, [br]or is the person attached to it?

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Take a moment.

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[Q.1] It is not attached.[br][Mooji] Not attached.

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[M.] Does it suffer from not being attached?

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[Q.1] No. [br][Questioner 1 laughs]

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[M.] But I had to question you,[br]for you to recede to that place,

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to say, 'It's not attached'.

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Because where we are functioning, normally,

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is from the identity of the person,[br]which is attached.

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Which likes and dislikes.

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Who wants and doesn't want.

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Who thinks this and thinks that.

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And very much is in the function [br]of perceiving and living, no?

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So, what I'm sharing is that, [br]that's OK.

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But if you only are aware of yourself[br]as a person, with its world,

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you will never be totally happy.[br]Because it's not stable.

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Today, 'Ah, I'm so happy. I'm so ... [br]Oh, so wonderful!'

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Tomorrow I see you ... [br][Mooji imitates struggling]

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I see you. I say, Mia, what's up?

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'It's OK, I don't want to talk about it.'

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[M.] Who is it, who is speaking? Person, no?[br][Q.1] Yes.

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[M.] What does the Self say?

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What does the real Self [say]?

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[Mooji] Is it important at all?[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] No. Is the Self important?[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] It's not important? OK.[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] Does that mean it's no good?[br]It's not significant?

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The Self is not important?[br]It's not important?

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OK, so what's the purpose[br]of it existing then?

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If other things after it are important,[br]like the person;

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personal identity is important,[br]personal world is important,

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personal attachment is important.

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But the one before all of this comes,[br]which cannot be removed,

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can the Self be killed? No.

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And you say, I'm quite liking it, actually,

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'It's not important'. OK?

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[Mooji] What is important?

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[Q.1] I feel this exercise is important to do.[br][Mooji] Yes.

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[Mooji] Why is it important, the exercise?

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[Q.1] To stabilise in this.[br][Mooji] Yes.

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[Mooji] Is it the Self, the inmost Self, [br]that has to stabilise,

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or something else has to stabilise?

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[Q.1] Something else.[br][Mooji] Right.

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[Mooji] Why does it need to stabilise,[br]the something else?

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[Q.1] Because ...[br]Not to get pulled into identity.

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[M.] Yes. What is it that gets pulled[br]into identity, is it the Self?

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[Q.1] Attention.[br][M.] Attention. Attention gets pulled.

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[Mooji] So attention is very important.[br][Q.1] Yes.

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[Mooji] When the attention [br]gets pulled into identity,

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what knows it most deeply;

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the attention, the mind, the person, [br]or the inmost Self?

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[Q.1] The Self. The inmost Self.[br][Mooji] The Self.

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[Mooji] Does it suffer?[br][Q.1] No.

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[Mooji] No. Still it's important,

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because every time the attention [br]goes out and forgets itself,

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[M.] it forgets where it comes from.[br][Q.1] Yeah. [laughs]

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[M.] Every time the attention goes out,

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gets involved in its projections,[br]it causes some pain.

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It creates a kind of a world,

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it creates emotion,

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it creates ups and downs, like this.

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And something is troubled by that.

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[M.] Maybe the person is troubled by that.[br][Q.1] Yes.

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[M.] And in our world, [br]everything is due to the person.

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It's the person that takes [br]another person to court.

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It's the person that wins or loses.[br]What about the Self?

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[Q.1] Nothing. [laughs][br][M.] Is it important to know this?

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[Q.1] Yeah.[br][M.] Yeah.

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[M.] OK, so when we speak about ...

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I'll come back to your letter now.

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You say, 'I don't know[br]how to observe with detachment'.

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Does the Self need to know, [br]how to observe with detachment?

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[Questioner shakes head, no][br][Mooji] Why?

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[Q.1] It doesn't need anything.

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[Mooji] It doesn't need anything.

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Yet everything is known to it.

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The play of the mind, [br]or 'Da-da-da-da', it knows,

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[Mooji] but it's not impacted upon.[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] There is a link between [br]the sense of the person and the inner Self.

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[Q.1] Yes.[br][Mooji] Yes.

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[M.] When the person,[br]who cannot exist without the inner Self,

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when it gets into states of confusion and pain,

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if it doesn't realise its root as the inner Self,

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[M.] it goes floating off and trouble can come.[br][Q.1] Yes.

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[M.] Mental problems can come.[br]Sickness can come.

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Anger can come.[br]Fear comes. Everything comes.

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So it's very important,

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that this personal sense [br]becomes aware of its root.

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[Q.1] Yes, and when I try to do this exercise,[br][M.] Yes.

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[Q.1] I cannot come to this.[br][M.] Who is doing the exercise?

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[Q.1] Yes, it's the mind and the person.[br][M.] The mind is doing.

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[Q.1] And the one who wants to stop suffering.[br][M.] Right.

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[Mooji] What knows this?

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What is aware of this?

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Is it the person-mind or the inner Self?

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[Q.1] The inner Self.[br][M.] Yes. Is the inner Self troubled?

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[Q.1] No.

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[M.] Still, the exercise is good,[br]because this is the real yoga.

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Yoga means the coming together [br]into oneness,

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where the sense of the person [br]has to rediscover its root.

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The person cannot live by itself.

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Even when it's not aware of the Self,

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it still comes from the Self.

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So largely the human expression [br]of the consciousness self

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is self-aware as a person.

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And so it can go on for lifetimes,[br]in the human lifetime,

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living the person,[br]because it's a big world, its dreams,

0:24:53.787,0:24:58.312
and 'I've to go do this,[br]I like this, I don't like that', and da da da.

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Maybe life after life.

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'This life I love, I love ice cream. [br]I'd die for ice cream.'

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Next life, 'I can't stand ice cream'.

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There's nothing consistent about it.

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Except that it cannot exist [br]without the real Self.

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And it has intelligence also.

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So, when it happens to this personal self,

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for some reason, [br]it's being attracted to find out that.

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Maybe it suffers enough in the world

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and it wants to find a solution for it.

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And the only solid solution [br]is to discover where it comes from,

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and that where it comes from and itself,[br]are one.

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That's what the search of life is.

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Because all beings who are not aware[br]of this oneness with the Self,

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all of them suffer.

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All have problems. Do you see?

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So this is the purpose of our satsang,

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is that the consciousness,[br]in the form of a person,

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becomes attracted to its root,

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and not just attracted [br]to the world in front of it.

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And so this exercise, like detachment,

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meaning that whatever is going on,

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to go in the world, to do,[br]the this, and the self-image,

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self-image, self-assessments,

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all of this is a play of the mind,

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is playing these mind states, no?

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And it has to realise that [br]all states are changeful, OK?

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And that it can witness them,

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it can observe them, without being them.

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In fact, you can only observe something,

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because you are not it, actually.

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And that there is a capacity,

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even in the person, to observe,

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and in observing them it knows[br]that it's not them.

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And that characteristic is like its parent.

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You see, the person,[br]the characteristic of looking and realising that,

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'Whatever I see is only an impression, [br]a thought, a feeling,

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but it's not what I am'.[br]That's called 'awakening'.

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It's waking up to the fact that,

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nothing out here [br]that comes through the mind or the senses,

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nothing of there can be fundamental to me.

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All of it is changing.

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And even myself as the person [br]who is looking and knowing this,

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is like on the verge of this way - world,

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this way - into the abyss of the Self.

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Because it has a capacity[br]that when it looks,

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and it's not identified with what it sees,[br]or what it experiences, OK?

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And each thing comes like, life is saying,[br]'This thing and this thing'.

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And it's saying,[br]'No, it's not this. What I am is not this.'

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As you keep doing that,

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it naturally comes back [br]to its original Self-awareness.

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And I say, Self-awareness,[br]non-dual Self-awareness,

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like not one thing, not a divided union,[br]but a harmony.

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It comes back into realising,

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'But here, nothing is happening to me'.

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When I go into the mind,[br]into identity,

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then happenings become relevant.

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But if I even can observe [br]and be aware of even my person,

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which is like, my person is like the ...

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What you call this?[br]The binoculars that see the world, OK,

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but the person who sees the world

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is also seen from the place of the Self.

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When it knows this,[br]it's coming back into conscious harmony.

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That's all the thing of detachment is.

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You don't have to kill anything.[br]It's just understanding.

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The realisation of the Self [br]is a journey of understanding,

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and understanding your misunderstanding.[br]So it's simple.

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Unless we get it, it might seem,[br]'It's the most complex thing'.

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Why?[br]Because you're not used to doing it.

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Each one is used to looking forward,[br]looking outward.

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Even sometimes when you think [br]we're looking inward into our mind,

0:29:23.078,0:29:25.592
it's still outward from the inner Self.

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[Q.1] Yes, and this happens a lot,

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because I go in and then it's the body.[br]I cannot go beyond.

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[M.] Yes. Or the body-mind.[br]You are in the body-mind.

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But something behind that[br]knows this thing.

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The mind cannot make an ultimate realisation

0:29:44.439,0:29:48.294
without becoming the realisation.

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The mind or the person [br]cannot come to ultimate realisation

0:29:53.785,0:29:57.245
and remain independent of that realisation.

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The more it becomes aware, [br]the more it finds that it Is.

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Not that it has.

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And this is a very significant thing.

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Nobody can have the realisation

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and be somebody who has realisation.

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What it means is that, [br]the idea of yourself

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as being only the person,[br]subsides again, and is seen,

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it is seen as also the most subtle object.

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This subtle object of a person [br]is behaving like a subject,

0:30:31.180,0:30:34.244
and that everything in its world[br]is the object.

0:30:34.244,0:30:38.187
But to the Self, it also is the first object.

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The first object shines as this feeling 'I',[br]'I am here'.

0:30:44.619,0:30:47.275
You know, 'Mia!' [br]'Yes, I'm here.'

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What does it mean, 'I am here'?

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The reference normally is,[br]'Look, I'm over here'.

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And this is OK, this is normal.

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This is the only place[br]where language can exist, in that way.

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The language is for the sense of the person

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having relationship with what it likes [br]or dislikes. OK?

0:31:06.813,0:31:10.237
Actually there's nothing wrong with this, [br]ultimately.

0:31:10.237,0:31:13.405
Because even as you wake up[br]again to realise that,

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whatever happens, it's seen from this place.

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But this place cannot be seen,

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and that I can only really be this place.

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Then when you really know this,[br]the dynamic expression of this,

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which is like of being a person,[br]that can still play,

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but it won't have that delusion in it.

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[Q.1] Yes. This delusion has to go.

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[Mooji] No, it needs to be understood.[br][Q.1] Yes.

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[M.] It doesn't need to go.[br]Why it needs to go?

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Because you are combining it [br]with your identity

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and it hurts like, 'No, no, no, no'.

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But all this now, [br]you're going to see all of this

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are constructs of the mind.

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And even the self [br]is just a psychological portrait

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of the mind, of the person.

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But the inner being, which has no shape,[br]you can't identify and say,

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'Ah, I found the inner being'. [br]You cannot do that.

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Because anything you can do that with,[br]is an object in the perception.

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[Q.1] Yes.

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[Mooji] You got it, isn't it?[br][Q.1] Yes.

0:32:20.860,0:32:25.198
[Mooji] OK. So, prove your problem.[br]Go on.

0:32:25.198,0:32:28.196
[silence]

0:32:41.723,0:32:45.963
[M.] You need to sit with this, more and more.[br][Q.1] Yes.

0:32:45.963,0:32:48.421
[M.] Because it's like shape shifting.

0:32:48.421,0:32:50.680
One minute you think you're looking

0:32:50.680,0:32:53.650
and the next minute you're involved, invested.

0:32:53.650,0:32:55.650
[Q.1] Yes.

0:32:55.650,0:32:58.043
[M.] OK. Don't get angry about this,

0:32:58.043,0:33:02.290
because it's been happening for lifetimes.

0:33:02.290,0:33:04.481
So, let it happen, it's OK.

0:33:04.481,0:33:08.544
Just keep seeing, 'But wait a minute, [br]this can be seen also'.

0:33:08.544,0:33:13.961
The most intimate [br]is also an object of perception.

0:33:13.961,0:33:18.242
The most intimate, [br]because 'intimate' means at least two.

0:33:18.242,0:33:22.230
If there's not two, there's no intimate.

0:33:27.801,0:33:33.897
Can you be confused, 'you',[br]in the light of what I'm sharing?

0:33:33.897,0:33:36.575
[Q.1] No, no.[br][Mooji] Thank you.

0:33:36.575,0:33:39.863
[M.] But you can be aware of confusion.[br][Q.1] Yes.

0:33:39.863,0:33:42.389
[M.] If you can be aware of confusion

0:33:42.389,0:33:47.357
without identifying with confusion,[br]are you cheating?

0:33:47.357,0:33:49.943
[Q.1] No, no. [laughs]

0:33:52.194,0:33:54.609
[Mooji] Very good.

0:33:56.652,0:34:01.560
So let's start again from the beginning.[br]What is your problem?

0:34:09.455,0:34:13.257
[Q.1] That when I do this exercise,

0:34:13.257,0:34:16.239
I believe I need to find something.

0:34:16.239,0:34:18.678
[Mooji] 'I' being what?

0:34:18.678,0:34:21.384
[M.] Qualify your status.[br][Q.1] The person.

0:34:21.384,0:34:23.480
[M.] When you do the exercise?

0:34:23.480,0:34:26.272
When the person does the exercise, OK.

0:34:26.272,0:34:31.116
There is another word for person [br]in this exercise,

0:34:31.116,0:34:33.983
I would call it,

0:34:33.983,0:34:42.059
when the personalised intelligence [br]of the Truth,

0:34:42.059,0:34:48.004
when the personal intelligence of God

0:34:48.004,0:34:52.261
gets confused with its projections,

0:34:52.261,0:34:54.695
then it's like, it's lost to itself.

0:34:54.695,0:34:56.918
It's like, it's lost to itself.

0:34:56.918,0:35:01.849
When that loss to itself becomes painful,

0:35:01.849,0:35:05.322
you are on the brink of awakening.

0:35:05.322,0:35:07.533
Do you understand?

0:35:07.533,0:35:10.033
Because if you're not troubled by it,

0:35:10.033,0:35:12.111
then you will not go beyond it.

0:35:12.111,0:35:17.012
[Q.1] Yes, when it's just pain, pain, pain.[br][laughs]

0:35:17.012,0:35:20.563
[M.] 'No pain, no gain,' they say.[br][Questioner 1 laughs]

0:35:20.563,0:35:22.559
You have to ...

0:35:22.559,0:35:27.992
It's like, in a way, [br]you are giving birth to yourself.

0:35:27.992,0:35:31.161
[Q.1] Because I sit and I do,

0:35:31.161,0:35:35.773
but I feel like there is no result.[br]Then I give up and come back.

0:35:35.773,0:35:39.416
[M.] You, again,[br]who is sitting and looking, is what?

0:35:39.416,0:35:42.670
[Q.1] The person. [br][both laugh]

0:35:45.088,0:35:48.511
[M.] Does it matter that [br]we're catching it like that?

0:35:48.511,0:35:50.509
That it's the person doing it,

0:35:50.509,0:35:53.277
and that what the person cries about today,

0:35:53.277,0:35:56.697
laughs about another moment.[br]That it's not consistent.

0:35:56.697,0:36:00.760
And even if it says, 'Eureka, I found the Self!'[br]Can it be true?

0:36:00.760,0:36:03.354
[Q.1] No.[br][Mooji] No. Why not?

0:36:03.354,0:36:06.219
[Q.1] Because it cannot be seen.

0:36:06.219,0:36:10.110
And if it lends to some illusion of ...

0:36:10.110,0:36:13.890
[M.] So then what's the practice for?

0:36:18.065,0:36:23.724
[Q.1] To become aware of all these ...

0:36:27.694,0:36:31.747
Wrong ideas.

0:36:31.747,0:36:34.374
[M.] Yes, that's one way we can put it.

0:36:34.374,0:36:37.410
Tell me another way we can put it. [br]That's good.

0:36:37.410,0:36:41.214
I take that, to become aware [br]of all these kind of little,

0:36:41.214,0:36:46.689
all these little distortions of understanding,

0:36:46.689,0:36:50.981
to become aware of them.[br]But more subtle than that.

0:36:50.981,0:36:56.578
By becoming aware of them,[br]you become aware of what?

0:36:56.578,0:37:01.544
[Q.1] Of That which is seeing.[br][Mooji] Is seeing, yeah.

0:37:01.544,0:37:04.154
[M.] How can you become,

0:37:04.154,0:37:06.918
can you be aware of it phenomenally?

0:37:06.918,0:37:09.654
Can you become aware of it phenomenally?

0:37:09.654,0:37:11.829
[Q.1] No.[br][Mooji] No.

0:37:11.829,0:37:15.285
[Mooji] So therefore,[br]you become aware of what?

0:37:15.285,0:37:20.605
[Q.1] It feels like it's just moments[br]of this awareness.

0:37:20.605,0:37:24.796
[M.] Yeah. It will flicker before, [br]because you're not used to it.

0:37:24.796,0:37:27.211
The reflex is used to going out

0:37:27.211,0:37:30.957
and connecting with objects of projections [br]and perception.

0:37:30.957,0:37:34.115
You're used to that.[br]But now I'm asking you to ...

0:37:34.115,0:37:38.055
All this is happening for everyone.[br]And even the one who says,

0:37:38.055,0:37:41.601
'But this is happening to me[br]and I find it frustrating!'

0:37:41.601,0:37:44.251
What I'm asking you to do is to see that,

0:37:44.251,0:37:47.882
that also is an aspect of the mind.

0:37:47.882,0:37:50.007
But all of these aspects,

0:37:50.007,0:37:54.128
they came originally [br]from out of this projection, forward.

0:37:54.128,0:37:56.601
[M.] Can you see?[br][Q.1] Yeah.

0:37:56.601,0:38:06.362
[M.] Yeah. And that the real opportunity [br]is in seeing this.

0:38:06.362,0:38:11.442
But still something is feeling,[br]'No, but mind is still troubling'.

0:38:11.442,0:38:15.362
No, don't worry.[br]It's troubling who?

0:38:15.362,0:38:19.990
Who is the mind troubling?

0:38:19.990,0:38:23.992
[M.] We can say together after three: 1, 2, 3 ...[br][Q.1] No one.

0:38:23.992,0:38:27.220
[M.] The person. Oh, no one![br]Oh, you beat me to it!

0:38:27.220,0:38:31.092
It's troubling no one![br]It's troubling no one.

0:38:31.092,0:38:36.058
That's a better answer than the person.[br]Do you see this?

0:38:36.058,0:38:38.373
[Q.1] Yeah.[br][Mooji] OK.

0:38:40.509,0:38:43.760
[Mooji] So now what?

0:38:47.393,0:38:51.130
It's enough or not enough?

0:38:54.319,0:38:57.319
[Q.1] I don't know.

0:38:57.319,0:39:02.820
[M.] Who is saying? Who is ...?[br]Where is this answer coming from?

0:39:06.861,0:39:10.499
I can accept it, or I can question it,[br]'I don't know'.

0:39:10.499,0:39:14.939
'I', who don't know?

0:39:14.939,0:39:18.712
[Q.1] It's the person.[br][Mooji] It's the person.

0:39:18.712,0:39:21.861
[Mooji] Yeah, sure?[br][Q.1] No. [laughs]

0:39:21.861,0:39:23.928
[M.] It can be from the person.

0:39:23.928,0:39:26.248
If you say it's from the person, OK,

0:39:26.248,0:39:29.118
then I would say,[br]You give me one more move.

0:39:29.118,0:39:34.197
But what's aware[br]that it's coming from the person?

0:39:34.197,0:39:39.342
[Q.1] Yes.[br]Something feels like, it's not satisfied,

0:39:39.342,0:39:45.310
but I should not go after this.

0:39:45.310,0:39:49.104
[Mooji] Yes, yes.[br]This is a powerful seeing,

0:39:49.104,0:39:51.612
'Something feels not satisfied'.

0:39:51.612,0:39:54.320
That which feels not satisfied,

0:39:54.320,0:39:57.267
is it personal or impersonal?

0:39:57.267,0:40:00.494
[Q.1] It's personal.[br][Mooji] Personal.

0:40:00.494,0:40:04.501
[M.] You see, if that gets you each time,[br]like the person goes,

0:40:04.501,0:40:07.972
'Yes, I know Guruji, [br]but you know, I can't get ...'

0:40:07.972,0:40:10.508
[M.] Who is speaking?[br][Q.1] The person.

0:40:10.508,0:40:12.593
[M.] Yeah.[br][Q.1] Yeah.

0:40:12.593,0:40:15.260
[M.] So we will finish on that note?

0:40:15.260,0:40:21.140
[Q.1] Uh, person? No. [laughs][br][M.] Thank you. OK. Where?

0:40:29.120,0:40:33.508
[Mooji] What does finish mean?

0:40:33.508,0:40:37.880
[Q.1] Just this conversation.[br]Finish the conversation.

0:40:37.880,0:40:43.619
[M.] The conversation can finish [br]in its oral manifestation.

0:40:43.619,0:40:46.546
It may go to be[br]some kind of little stuff

0:40:46.546,0:40:49.820
in the mind that feels like,[br]'Yeah, I don't know.

0:40:49.820,0:40:53.010
I had a talk with Mooji,[br]and it was really clear,

0:40:53.010,0:40:55.952
but now it's not clear.'[br]Is a report from?

0:40:55.952,0:40:58.233
[Q.1] The mind.[br][M.] From the mind.

0:40:58.233,0:41:01.906
[Mooji] And is that ultimate?[br][Q.1] No.

0:41:01.906,0:41:06.324
[Mooji] No. What is ultimate?

0:41:06.324,0:41:09.572
[Q.1] That which is aware of this.

0:41:09.572,0:41:12.027
[Mooji] Yes, yes.

0:41:12.027,0:41:15.589
Which is where?

0:41:15.589,0:41:18.665
[Q.1] It's nowhere.

0:41:18.665,0:41:22.770
[Mooji] Why are you smiling? [br][Questioner laughs]

0:41:28.425,0:41:34.004
[Mooji] So, do you have a problem?

0:41:34.004,0:41:37.388
[Q.1] No. [br][both laugh]

0:41:37.388,0:41:42.674
[M.] Can you, from this place of answering,[br]ever have a problem?

0:41:42.674,0:41:45.288
[Q.1] No. No.

0:41:50.917,0:41:55.849
[Mooji] Are you sad or happy about this?

0:41:59.536,0:42:02.536
[Q.1] Nothing.[br][Mooji] Very good.

0:42:04.706,0:42:09.119
[M.] More subtle than even happy.

0:42:13.275,0:42:16.829
[Mooji] Yeah. We're good?

0:42:19.388,0:42:22.853
If you go walking [br]and the mind comes again and says,

0:42:22.853,0:42:26.847
'I can't remember anything about that'.

0:42:26.847,0:42:31.293
'I'm going to try and see[br]if I can get that mood back.' Was it a mood?

0:42:31.293,0:42:33.991
[Q.1] No.[br][M.] It's not a mood.

0:42:33.991,0:42:36.605
[M.] Can you lose this?

0:42:38.460,0:42:40.470
[Q.1] No.[br][M.] No.

0:42:42.216,0:42:46.201
[M.] Can you possess this?[br][Q.1] No.

0:42:49.399,0:42:52.549
[M.] Very good.

0:42:56.226,0:42:58.935
[M.] I'm happy. Very good.

0:42:58.935,0:43:02.676
So, the rest I don't have to read, no?

0:43:02.676,0:43:06.346
'I don't know how to be aware,[br]that I am aware.'

0:43:06.346,0:43:08.843
[Questioner laughs]

0:43:08.843,0:43:14.674
"I still see this 'I'-identity as real.[br]Please help, Mia."

0:43:14.674,0:43:17.013
[M.] Do we need?[br][Q.1] No.

0:43:17.013,0:43:21.799
[M,] Very good. Can I keep it?[br][Q.1] Yes. I mean, throw it.

0:43:21.799,0:43:25.857
[M.] Throw it, keep it.[br]I'm happy you're like this. It's good.

0:43:25.857,0:43:31.245
[Q.1] You don't need to keep it.[br][M.] Because this is ... [the letter]

0:43:31.245,0:43:37.149
I call it an auspicious reaching out [br]to clarify something.

0:43:37.149,0:43:42.040
And to that extent, it's very ...

0:43:42.040,0:43:45.051
I mean, it's not a game.

0:43:45.051,0:43:50.494
We can say it is like a game,[br]but it's not a cynical game.

0:43:50.494,0:43:57.189
It's, you may say, a game or a play or,

0:43:57.189,0:44:02.096
something that needs to happen

0:44:02.096,0:44:06.318
to the human expression of consciousness,

0:44:06.318,0:44:11.045
when it comes to a stage[br]where its world is not working.

0:44:11.045,0:44:14.092
And I don't see that as a disaster.

0:44:14.092,0:44:17.944
I see it as an opportunity [br]to look behind the scene.

0:44:17.944,0:44:23.011
[Q.1] Yes, yes.[br]I want to take every opportunity to look.

0:44:23.011,0:44:26.709
[M.] OK. Now? Right now?

0:44:26.709,0:44:30.605
[Q.1] Always, yes, now.[br][M.] Yes. OK.

0:44:30.605,0:44:33.864
[M.] Do you need to look further now?

0:44:33.864,0:44:36.793
[Q.1] I can do, yes.[br][Mooji] Yes.

0:44:36.793,0:44:40.270
[M.] Yes. Good.[br][Q.1] Yes, yes. [laughs]

0:44:40.270,0:44:44.349
[M.] Thank you. Very good.

0:44:47.738,0:44:50.775
And you don't need to talk [br]to anybody about it.

0:44:50.775,0:44:53.779
Just you sit with that, and watch.

0:44:53.779,0:45:00.599
And however tricky the mind can be,[br]you remember, it is secondary.

0:45:00.599,0:45:03.950
That which is primary, is seeing that.

0:45:03.950,0:45:08.403
And the mind can come in the form [br]of thought or moods or sensation,

0:45:08.403,0:45:10.686
it can appear like confusion,

0:45:10.686,0:45:16.112
it appears as identity, [br]but it's still only appearing.

0:45:16.112,0:45:19.658
[M.] Can the Self appear?[br][Q.1] No.

0:45:19.658,0:45:21.663
[Mooji] No.

0:45:21.663,0:45:26.489
So it causes the appearing of the mind play [br]and the diversity,

0:45:26.489,0:45:31.210
but it itself is indescribable, actually.

0:45:34.406,0:45:37.956
So at this point I would say, [br]sit and contemplate that.

0:45:37.956,0:45:41.261
[Q.1] Yes.[br][M.] Yes. That's all you have to do.

0:45:41.261,0:45:47.229
You see, it sounds as though[br]from what you write, somebody might think,

0:45:47.229,0:45:49.671
'Wow, I feel she's in real trouble'.

0:45:49.671,0:45:52.194
But for me, I say, what an opportunity,

0:45:52.194,0:45:55.281
I got to find out from you,[br]we can look together.

0:45:55.281,0:45:58.750
And it's all in you. It's all you.

0:46:02.066,0:46:04.064
Very good.

0:46:05.506,0:46:08.920
Would you like some tea, or get something?[br]Are you OK?

0:46:08.920,0:46:11.632
[Q.1] I think there's food waiting for me.

0:46:11.632,0:46:14.212
[M.] Go and eat the food now, it's cold.

0:46:14.212,0:46:18.339
That's the only food that's worth[br]eating cold right now.

0:46:18.339,0:46:23.729
Thank you. Wonderful, darling.[br]Thank you, thank you, thank you.

0:46:23.729,0:46:28.153
[Q.1] Thank you.[br][M.] Yes. See you in a bit.

0:46:28.153,0:46:32.400
[M.] OK. OK. [br][Q.1] Thank you.

0:46:37.531,0:46:41.176
[Mooji] If you are earnest,[br]you can walk the same road.

0:46:41.176,0:46:43.729
It's fresh every time.

0:46:46.846,0:46:50.790
[Questioner 2] Babaji, [br]this thing that something was missing,

0:46:50.790,0:46:53.310
[Q.2] people brought to you many times,

0:46:53.310,0:46:55.309
[Q.2] 'Yes, I do the exercise,

0:46:55.309,0:46:58.219
everything's great,[br]but something is missing'.

0:46:58.219,0:47:00.857
And there was a moment when I recognised,

0:47:00.857,0:47:05.039
'Oh, wow, I have this thought'.[br]I really needed to look into that.

0:47:05.039,0:47:08.776
And it came to me,[br]that due to the habit of having a shape,

0:47:08.776,0:47:13.297
it's as though something is looking[br]for the shape within the shapeless.

0:47:13.297,0:47:16.647
And this gives you an idea[br]that something is missing.

0:47:16.647,0:47:19.744
And then,[br]another thing that you keep telling us,

0:47:19.744,0:47:22.465
'Can you bear your own emptiness?'

0:47:22.465,0:47:27.051
And it's like,[br]it just clicked in a different way.

0:47:27.051,0:47:30.184
That it's not bothersome anymore [br]when it comes.

0:47:30.184,0:47:35.059
[M.] We are used to possessing some [br]phenomenal gain.

0:47:35.059,0:47:38.287
We say, 'Yes, but something is missing'.

0:47:38.287,0:47:43.062
Sometimes I might put it ...

0:47:48.787,0:47:54.761
What is saying that something is missing?

0:47:54.761,0:48:00.966
And, you know,[br]we are in a kind of 'end of game' moment.

0:48:00.966,0:48:02.998
'The mind?' OK.

0:48:02.998,0:48:07.206
What is seeing the mind,[br]saying something is missing?

0:48:07.206,0:48:09.572
'Oh, I can't see that.'

0:48:09.572,0:48:12.973
Does that mean, it doesn't exist?[br]Do you see?

0:48:12.973,0:48:15.073
'I', who can't see it?

0:48:15.073,0:48:20.060
Even the one who is saying, 'I can't see it',[br]is also seen from it.

0:48:20.060,0:48:22.798
[M.] But this, we come to something ....

0:48:22.798,0:48:25.638
[Friend] Could you say that again?[br][M.] What?

0:48:25.638,0:48:28.668
[M.] Even the one who is saying,[br]'I can't see',

0:48:28.668,0:48:30.668
what is seeing this?

0:48:30.668,0:48:32.916
Is itself seen, in this.

0:48:32.916,0:48:35.524
But there is something that feels like,

0:48:35.524,0:48:39.979
'I need a concrete conclusion'.

0:48:42.448,0:48:49.287
And any concrete conclusion [br]is also just phenomenal.

0:48:49.287,0:48:52.962
And this is why I say,[br]You cannot bear your own emptiness.

0:48:52.962,0:48:57.967
Because something is relying on a trophy.

0:48:57.967,0:49:02.291
But both the trophy and the one gaining it,[br]aren't real, either.

0:49:02.291,0:49:04.308
Like this.

0:49:04.308,0:49:09.888
So it can look like, [br]it's kind of mental, OK?

0:49:09.888,0:49:14.109
It's like the sword of wisdom can look like,

0:49:14.109,0:49:17.699
'Hmmm, but it's made out of cardboard'.

0:49:17.699,0:49:23.573
It doesn't matter what it thinks,[br]but, yes ...

0:49:25.618,0:49:32.536
This is the heart of Advaita contemplation!

0:49:32.536,0:49:35.184
It is the ...

0:49:38.568,0:49:42.200
There is no next, after this.

0:49:42.200,0:49:44.533
Do you understand?[br]Unless we go out.

0:49:44.533,0:49:48.297
Which is fine, but go out after!

0:49:48.297,0:49:50.924
When you go out during,[br]when we are looking,

0:49:50.924,0:49:54.638
something wants to escape.[br]OK, that's fine, it's OK.

0:49:54.638,0:49:58.910
Is that you?[br]You say, 'Kind of ...'

0:49:58.910,0:50:02.527
Because you're used to this being also mind,[br]and ...

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[M.] So anyway, we can just stop there.[br][F.] Yes.

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[M.] Yes, the axe has fallen.

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But the head is talking.

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[laughter]

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