WEBVTT 00:00:08.886 --> 00:00:12.368 How to be Free from Ego 00:00:12.368 --> 00:00:14.810 5 November 2024 (with subtitles) 00:00:18.270 --> 00:00:21.501 [Mooji] Can I just read it out? [Questioner 1] Yes. 00:00:21.501 --> 00:00:23.500 [M.] You write, 'Dear Guruji, 00:00:23.500 --> 00:00:27.249 I am too ashamed and afraid to speak to you. 00:00:27.249 --> 00:00:31.603 I don't know how to observe with detachment. 00:00:31.603 --> 00:00:35.314 I don't know how to be aware that I am aware. 00:00:35.314 --> 00:00:39.886 I still see this 'I' identity as real. Please help. Mia.' 00:00:39.886 --> 00:00:42.689 It's a very, very honest thing. 00:00:42.689 --> 00:00:46.369 I wish people would write more like this. And just to say, 00:00:46.369 --> 00:00:49.850 because some people, they hold back and they don't say. 00:00:49.850 --> 00:00:52.170 So I appreciate that you can say it, 00:00:52.170 --> 00:00:54.510 because I can kind of have a chance 00:00:54.510 --> 00:00:57.070 to share with you in a simple way. 00:00:59.268 --> 00:01:03.250 'I don't know how to observe with detachment.' 00:01:07.287 --> 00:01:12.211 Actually, we are observing with detachment many things, 00:01:12.211 --> 00:01:16.170 if they don't matter to you, do you understand? 00:01:16.170 --> 00:01:19.406 If things don't matter to you, you still see them, 00:01:19.406 --> 00:01:21.692 but you are not distracted by them. 00:01:21.692 --> 00:01:25.554 For everybody, it's the same thing. So that's the first part. 00:01:25.554 --> 00:01:29.175 There is no such thing as not observing with detachment. 00:01:29.175 --> 00:01:31.599 If, suppose everything you see, 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:33.836 every situation you had, 00:01:33.836 --> 00:01:36.703 you had to remember. It's just alive in you. 00:01:36.703 --> 00:01:39.961 We will be completely crazy. Nobody can do. 00:01:39.961 --> 00:01:46.221 There is the mechanism of our true natural state. 00:01:46.221 --> 00:01:50.100 It's working all the time to ... 00:01:50.100 --> 00:01:53.002 Like you can walk through here, walk up there. 00:01:53.002 --> 00:01:56.685 You don't have to notice every step, or notice everything. 00:01:56.685 --> 00:01:59.920 You meet a person. Say, 'Hi, hello. Good morning.' 00:01:59.920 --> 00:02:02.500 You pass. You don't have to retain that. 00:02:02.500 --> 00:02:07.069 So a natural detachment is functioning inside us. 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:15.050 It's already there, the detachment. 00:02:15.050 --> 00:02:19.656 If we were not able to detach and yet we are perceiving, 00:02:19.656 --> 00:02:22.752 we would be in trouble. 00:02:22.752 --> 00:02:30.172 So, first of all, know that it's natural, that you meet people ... 00:02:30.172 --> 00:02:34.611 It's the things that matter to you, 00:02:34.611 --> 00:02:39.094 that you start to become more attached to. 00:02:39.094 --> 00:02:42.972 Like it has meaning, and so I have to remember this thing. 00:02:42.972 --> 00:02:46.797 So it's almost like, you take a kind of photograph 00:02:46.797 --> 00:02:50.187 in some kind of way inside. It's like, that matters. 00:02:50.187 --> 00:02:53.808 So then it becomes important. So like this, when you say, 00:02:53.808 --> 00:02:57.460 'I don't know how to observe with detachment', 00:02:57.460 --> 00:03:01.029 if I say, 00:03:01.029 --> 00:03:05.414 But you are doing it anyway with many things. 00:03:05.414 --> 00:03:08.570 If I walk through from the front to the back here, 00:03:08.570 --> 00:03:11.660 and I say to everybody as we're walking through, 00:03:11.660 --> 00:03:13.660 Be detached from everything, 00:03:13.660 --> 00:03:17.858 then it becomes a problem, because it turns it into a strangeness. 00:03:17.858 --> 00:03:20.830 Because naturally you're detached from things. 00:03:20.830 --> 00:03:22.827 You come to satsang 00:03:22.827 --> 00:03:26.057 and I'm teaching you something much more powerful. 00:03:26.057 --> 00:03:30.370 And to bring awareness to something that's already natural for you. 00:03:30.370 --> 00:03:33.847 But I want it to be natural for you, 00:03:33.847 --> 00:03:36.569 even with things that matter. 00:03:36.569 --> 00:03:39.010 [Q.1] Yes, that is my problem. 00:03:39.010 --> 00:03:44.612 [Mooji] Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a problem for everybody. 00:03:44.612 --> 00:03:47.490 With things that don't matter, no problem. 00:03:47.490 --> 00:03:51.617 You don't even have to say, 'I'm going to be detached from that'. 00:03:51.617 --> 00:03:55.228 You don't even have to say that. You don't have to think. 00:03:55.228 --> 00:03:58.648 You're just senses, eyes, life. You meet these things. 00:03:58.648 --> 00:04:02.200 Nothing. Just move through them. You retain your peace. 00:04:02.200 --> 00:04:06.589 But about the things that you say matter, and what makes them matter? 00:04:06.589 --> 00:04:10.450 Let's slow down a bit and say, what makes some things matter? 00:04:10.450 --> 00:04:14.335 It's an open question. 00:04:14.335 --> 00:04:17.160 Why do they matter? 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:23.772 Some relationship, some concepts like, 00:04:23.772 --> 00:04:26.640 'OK, this is family, this is my job, 00:04:26.640 --> 00:04:30.042 this is my relationship'. And these things matter. 00:04:30.042 --> 00:04:33.209 So if somebody else's relationship is in problem, 00:04:33.209 --> 00:04:35.209 it's no problem for you. 00:04:35.209 --> 00:04:38.947 But if you have a relationship problem, it matters for you. 00:04:38.947 --> 00:04:41.849 So what is this thing that I'm talking about? 00:04:41.849 --> 00:04:43.849 'To observe with detachment.' 00:04:43.849 --> 00:04:46.914 It's just a little step further than what I say, 00:04:46.914 --> 00:04:50.146 you walk through, you're naturally detached anyway. 00:04:50.146 --> 00:04:54.232 What I'm asking about, learning to observe with detachment, 00:04:54.232 --> 00:04:58.499 is to bring that detachment ... 00:04:58.499 --> 00:05:02.007 Because whatever you see, nothing sticks actually. 00:05:02.007 --> 00:05:04.134 A natural thing. 00:05:04.134 --> 00:05:06.784 But when things matter, 00:05:06.784 --> 00:05:11.766 your relationship, what you want, your work and so on, 00:05:11.766 --> 00:05:15.525 it creates a structure in your mind 00:05:15.525 --> 00:05:19.460 and you have to take care of that. 00:05:19.460 --> 00:05:22.636 So, I'm not going into all of these things. 00:05:22.636 --> 00:05:27.769 I'm saying that, OK, what is attachment, is to ... 00:05:30.300 --> 00:05:36.827 I want you to be aware of a space within you, 00:05:36.827 --> 00:05:45.631 which is not changed by whatever is happening around you. 00:05:45.631 --> 00:05:50.320 It's alive. It's not dead, but it's not, 00:05:50.320 --> 00:05:57.369 it's not attached to the outcome of things so deeply. 00:05:57.369 --> 00:06:01.871 I don't know if I'm putting it right. I'm trying to find an example. 00:06:04.311 --> 00:06:09.999 [Q.1] I feel like there is no space. It's just all mind and identity. 00:06:09.999 --> 00:06:12.679 [Mooji] Ok, if you are able to see mind, 00:06:12.679 --> 00:06:16.380 you must be looking from some place that's not mind. 00:06:16.380 --> 00:06:18.377 This is true for everybody. 00:06:18.377 --> 00:06:21.404 It's just you're not aware that it's like that. 00:06:21.404 --> 00:06:25.729 Actually, what I'm saying is actually so powerfully true for you, 00:06:25.729 --> 00:06:29.458 when you are aware of it. 00:06:29.458 --> 00:06:35.086 And largely, the teachings and the practice of what we do here 00:06:35.086 --> 00:06:38.547 is to make you more aware of something about you 00:06:38.547 --> 00:06:41.968 that you are not so aware of. For everybody, you see. 00:06:41.968 --> 00:06:46.100 And because we're not aware in the place that you should be aware 00:06:46.100 --> 00:06:48.269 of your inmost being ... 00:06:48.269 --> 00:06:51.024 You can't see that. 00:06:51.024 --> 00:06:54.517 That's the other thing. Everything else you can see. 00:06:54.517 --> 00:06:57.773 Every relationship, every object you can see. 00:06:57.773 --> 00:07:00.840 Every thought you can remember, you can think. 00:07:00.840 --> 00:07:02.866 They are all called 'other'. 00:07:02.866 --> 00:07:06.036 Everything you can see. 00:07:06.036 --> 00:07:08.572 But your Self you cannot see! 00:07:08.572 --> 00:07:10.640 [M.] Do you get that? [Q.1] Yes. 00:07:10.640 --> 00:07:15.219 [M.] You can say, 'Oh, this is my body. This is my ring. 00:07:15.219 --> 00:07:17.492 This is my house. This is my car.' 00:07:17.492 --> 00:07:20.704 'My, my, my. This belongs to me.' 00:07:20.704 --> 00:07:23.896 'My, my, my.' Everything belongs to you. 00:07:23.896 --> 00:07:27.838 'This is my family. This is my mother. This is my house. 00:07:27.838 --> 00:07:32.340 This is my country. This is my passport. This is my birth certificate.' 00:07:32.340 --> 00:07:35.441 All 'my', meaning they belong to you. 00:07:35.441 --> 00:07:41.846 But can you say, This is my, 'my'? This is my, 'me'? 00:07:41.846 --> 00:07:44.820 You can't say, 'This is my, me'. Why? 00:07:48.130 --> 00:07:51.001 [Q.1] Because I cannot see this. 00:07:51.001 --> 00:07:54.155 [M.] Yes, yes. So because you can't see it, 00:07:54.155 --> 00:07:58.232 [M.] does it mean it's not there? [Q.1] No. 00:07:58.232 --> 00:08:01.205 [M.] Right. So there's something in the world, 00:08:01.205 --> 00:08:04.760 everything you can see, but something you cannot see. 00:08:04.760 --> 00:08:08.246 Everything you can see, but something you cannot see. 00:08:08.246 --> 00:08:12.794 And yet you cannot deny that it is real, isn't it? 00:08:12.794 --> 00:08:14.789 You know you are. 00:08:14.789 --> 00:08:17.792 Now, I'm going to zoom in a little bit closer 00:08:17.792 --> 00:08:21.698 in this feeling that, 'Yes, I know I am'. 00:08:24.919 --> 00:08:27.859 This thing which you cannot see, 00:08:27.859 --> 00:08:30.963 that you say, 'You know it is here', 00:08:30.963 --> 00:08:32.963 I mean, it's the first fact, 00:08:32.963 --> 00:08:36.566 because if it's not here, nothing else is here, isn't it? 00:08:36.566 --> 00:08:39.496 [Mooji] But it cannot be seen, yeah? 00:08:41.050 --> 00:08:44.491 OK, so we are back to this point. 00:08:44.491 --> 00:08:48.073 Everything you can see, everything; 00:08:48.073 --> 00:08:52.339 your thoughts, feelings, 00:08:52.339 --> 00:08:55.789 objects, people, your feelings, 00:08:55.789 --> 00:08:58.038 all of these things, you can see. 00:08:58.038 --> 00:09:04.237 You can even see the quality of your sight, isn't it? 00:09:04.237 --> 00:09:07.384 So if you went to the optician and he said, 00:09:07.384 --> 00:09:10.811 'Could you tell me something, why you come here?' 00:09:10.811 --> 00:09:16.503 You said, 'Actually, I'm not able to see or focus on things so well'. 00:09:16.503 --> 00:09:19.120 He said, 'In both eyes?' 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:22.019 You said, 'No, no, in the right eye'. 00:09:22.019 --> 00:09:24.047 'OK, tell me something.' 00:09:24.047 --> 00:09:28.907 You said, 'In the left eye, I can see maybe 80% of what it should be, 00:09:28.907 --> 00:09:31.675 but in the right eye it's like about 50'. 00:09:31.675 --> 00:09:37.566 So something must be seeing sight, isn't it? 00:09:37.566 --> 00:09:41.200 The capacity is there. You don't have to ask anybody. 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:43.665 You can see, yes, something is aware 00:09:43.665 --> 00:09:48.555 that even the sight is not functioning well. 00:09:48.555 --> 00:09:52.501 So something must be behind even the sight. 00:09:52.501 --> 00:09:55.505 OK? 00:09:55.505 --> 00:09:59.665 You are also aware of feelings, 00:09:59.665 --> 00:10:03.538 emotion, sense of time. 00:10:03.538 --> 00:10:06.636 If somebody said, 'Yesterday something happened', 00:10:06.636 --> 00:10:08.830 you are aware of what that means. 00:10:08.830 --> 00:10:12.230 Everything you are aware of. Everything you can see. 00:10:12.230 --> 00:10:16.040 [M.] But your Self, can you see? [Q.1] No. 00:10:16.040 --> 00:10:19.510 [Mooji] Why? 00:10:19.510 --> 00:10:21.510 Your body you can see. 00:10:21.510 --> 00:10:23.510 Your body you can see. 00:10:23.510 --> 00:10:27.252 You can see your smile. You can see your body. 00:10:27.252 --> 00:10:31.778 You can see everything. But your Self? 00:10:31.778 --> 00:10:36.677 [M.] Is seeing your body [seeing] your Self? [Q.1] No. 00:10:36.677 --> 00:10:39.459 [Mooji] Why not? 00:10:43.658 --> 00:10:46.955 [Q.1] Because something is aware of the body. 00:10:46.955 --> 00:10:49.691 [M.] Yes, something is aware of the body. 00:10:49.691 --> 00:10:53.310 That something which is aware of the body cannot be seen. 00:10:53.310 --> 00:10:56.034 [M.] You're saying that, no? [Q.1] Yeah. 00:10:57.796 --> 00:11:01.093 [M.] Can it see sickness? 00:11:01.093 --> 00:11:04.505 It can know, 'I'm not feeling well'. 00:11:04.505 --> 00:11:07.206 'I'm not feeling ...' It knows emotion. 00:11:07.206 --> 00:11:10.865 'I'm feeling a little a bit uncomfortable.' 00:11:10.865 --> 00:11:14.298 It sees everything. But itself it cannot see. 00:11:14.298 --> 00:11:17.728 You are saying that, no? Yeah. 00:11:17.728 --> 00:11:22.540 Why can it see everything, but it cannot see itself? 00:11:26.795 --> 00:11:29.484 [Q.1] This I don't know. 00:11:31.588 --> 00:11:33.593 [M.] This which cannot ... 00:11:33.593 --> 00:11:37.968 You can see everything, but you cannot see your Self. 00:11:37.968 --> 00:11:42.235 This which you cannot see, yet you cannot deny, 00:11:42.235 --> 00:11:45.570 this is your Self. 00:11:52.359 --> 00:11:55.953 Everything you can see, your feelings, thoughts, 00:11:55.953 --> 00:12:00.491 and the function of intellect. 00:12:00.491 --> 00:12:02.666 Everything you can see. 00:12:02.666 --> 00:12:06.959 But that which is seeing them, you say, 'I can see'. 00:12:06.959 --> 00:12:11.248 It's sort of, the word 'I' which represents this thing, 00:12:11.248 --> 00:12:14.378 but it cannot be seen. 00:12:14.378 --> 00:12:16.929 Even your mother can come and say, 00:12:16.929 --> 00:12:19.220 'Darling, it's nice to see you'. 00:12:19.220 --> 00:12:23.462 [M.] What is the 'you' that she is seeing? [Q.1] The body. 00:12:23.462 --> 00:12:29.964 [M.] The body. And she's seeing her affection, her memory of you. 00:12:29.964 --> 00:12:32.160 All this she puts to be you. 00:12:32.160 --> 00:12:34.999 'Darling, it's so nice. Where have you been? 00:12:34.999 --> 00:12:37.326 I haven't seen you for a long time.' 00:12:37.326 --> 00:12:41.640 So whatever someone says, 'It's good to see you. Where you've been?' 00:12:41.640 --> 00:12:45.773 'You put on or lost some weight', all of this is to do with what? 00:12:45.773 --> 00:12:49.330 [Q.1] Our appearance. [M.] Your form and appearance, OK. 00:12:49.330 --> 00:12:51.909 [Mooji] So, can she see you? 00:12:51.909 --> 00:12:54.536 Can you see 'you'? 00:12:54.536 --> 00:12:58.411 Is that scary? 00:12:58.411 --> 00:13:03.529 [Q.1] No, it's not scary, but it's ... 00:13:03.529 --> 00:13:06.879 Something is missing, or feels like ... 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:11.635 [Mooji] OK, take a moment and think about what's missing. 00:13:16.183 --> 00:13:20.370 You cannot see your true Self. 00:13:20.370 --> 00:13:25.241 I also cannot see my true Self. 00:13:25.241 --> 00:13:27.410 Why? 00:13:27.410 --> 00:13:31.015 Because it's not an object. 00:13:31.015 --> 00:13:35.617 It's not even a thought. 00:13:35.617 --> 00:13:40.159 [Q.1] But you say to stay as this. But ... [Questioner 1 laughs] 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:44.743 [M.] Well. OK. OK, thank you. I say to stay as this. Why? 00:13:44.743 --> 00:13:50.703 Because, first of all, you imagine something else to be yourself. 00:13:50.703 --> 00:13:54.888 You call yourself a woman, a daughter, you are from this country. 00:13:54.888 --> 00:13:58.187 'My parents, I am ...' Whatever. Like this. 00:13:58.187 --> 00:14:04.226 So we are used to associating some quality that represents you. 00:14:04.226 --> 00:14:09.143 But really, you are earlier than this, in the purity. 00:14:09.143 --> 00:14:12.263 The one that is aware, that says ... 00:14:12.263 --> 00:14:14.357 You're talking on the phone, 00:14:14.357 --> 00:14:18.040 'I'm 27 years old. I have got two children. 00:14:18.040 --> 00:14:20.377 I'm married. I live in this place.' 00:14:20.377 --> 00:14:25.237 That one, is what? 00:14:25.237 --> 00:14:27.880 [Q.1] The person. [M.] It's the person. 00:14:27.880 --> 00:14:33.133 [M.] The person and the Self, the true Self, is it the same thing? 00:14:33.133 --> 00:14:35.151 [Q.1] No. 00:14:35.151 --> 00:14:39.695 [M.] Does that bring a feeling of discomfort? 00:14:42.288 --> 00:14:45.206 [Q.1] No. [M.] No. No. 00:14:45.206 --> 00:14:48.759 [M.] Because there's nothing you've to do to know that. 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:50.758 Something knows. 00:14:50.758 --> 00:14:54.572 Yet most people in the world have not even looked like this. 00:14:54.572 --> 00:14:57.110 They have not even thought about this, 00:14:57.110 --> 00:15:00.777 because your world starts with your person. 00:15:00.777 --> 00:15:03.619 If I employ you, I look at you, I interview, 00:15:03.619 --> 00:15:05.622 I say, Tell me about yourself. 00:15:05.622 --> 00:15:08.138 You say, 'I studied this in university. 00:15:08.138 --> 00:15:11.565 I lived in South Africa for a while. I've travelled.' 00:15:11.565 --> 00:15:14.113 Information. Information cannot be you. 00:15:14.113 --> 00:15:16.414 It's about your person. 00:15:16.414 --> 00:15:22.080 Which is, what is the person? 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:25.330 [Q.1] This identity is the person. [M.] Yes, yes. 00:15:25.330 --> 00:15:28.910 [M.] Can you see the identity person? 00:15:28.910 --> 00:15:32.539 [Q.] Yeah. [Mooji] What does it look like? 00:15:34.832 --> 00:15:38.610 [Q.1] Some tightness, some attachment. [Mooji] Yes. 00:15:38.610 --> 00:15:41.172 [M.] Attachment. [Q.1] To ideas. 00:15:41.172 --> 00:15:46.138 [Mooji] Yes. Attachment to some ideas, OK? 00:15:46.138 --> 00:15:50.354 But the person is also an idea. 00:15:50.354 --> 00:15:54.750 [Q.1] This is the problem, because it really feels real. So, yeah. 00:15:54.750 --> 00:15:59.589 [M.] Because it is the feeling 'I' in you, 00:15:59.589 --> 00:16:04.616 this 'I', it says, 'I see, I think, I ...' Da, da, da. 00:16:04.616 --> 00:16:06.614 Who is the 'I' that thinks? 00:16:06.614 --> 00:16:11.789 We are not sure if it's the person or the real Self? 00:16:11.789 --> 00:16:16.618 'I want.' 'Yes, I know.' 00:16:16.618 --> 00:16:20.090 Who is the 'I' that knows? 00:16:20.090 --> 00:16:23.878 Is it personal or impersonal? 00:16:23.878 --> 00:16:28.313 [Q.1] Personal. [Mooji] It's personal. OK, good! 00:16:28.313 --> 00:16:33.330 [Mooji] What sees it is impersonal? 00:16:33.330 --> 00:16:37.109 [Q.1] I don't know what. I know something is seeing but ... 00:16:37.109 --> 00:16:41.233 [M.] Yes. It's the same answer. You've given the answer already. 00:16:41.233 --> 00:16:43.596 It cannot be seen. 00:16:43.596 --> 00:16:47.460 So, this is the most important discovery, 00:16:47.460 --> 00:16:52.229 because until you really realise this and know this, 00:16:52.229 --> 00:16:56.097 you take yourself to be an object, perceiving another object. 00:16:56.097 --> 00:17:00.116 The object being your person. And it's OK, it's OK. 00:17:00.116 --> 00:17:04.172 God made it like that. That we would also be projected 00:17:04.172 --> 00:17:07.941 into the world of thought, and feeling and association, 00:17:07.941 --> 00:17:10.870 and say, 'This is me'. For a while. 00:17:10.870 --> 00:17:15.748 But with this 'I', that works as the person, 00:17:15.748 --> 00:17:21.136 its world and itself are never stable, 00:17:21.136 --> 00:17:25.120 because it has an identity. 00:17:25.120 --> 00:17:30.144 Is the identity of the person always stable? No, no. 00:17:30.144 --> 00:17:35.560 But it tries with everything to share that it is stable. 00:17:35.560 --> 00:17:39.809 Because stable means, it's wise, it's real. 00:17:39.809 --> 00:17:44.200 It's dependable. It's consistent. 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:46.960 I'm just talking this through. 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:50.651 But I'm pointing to a deeper knowing behind this person, 00:17:50.651 --> 00:17:56.240 that knows the person, that sees the person. OK? 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:00.439 That which is aware of the person, you are with me? 00:18:00.439 --> 00:18:04.567 Is it attached to the person, or is the person attached to it? 00:18:04.567 --> 00:18:07.367 Take a moment. 00:18:11.048 --> 00:18:15.679 [Q.1] It is not attached. [Mooji] Not attached. 00:18:15.679 --> 00:18:19.390 [M.] Does it suffer from not being attached? 00:18:19.390 --> 00:18:23.744 [Q.1] No. [Questioner 1 laughs] 00:18:23.744 --> 00:18:27.806 [M.] But I had to question you, for you to recede to that place, 00:18:27.806 --> 00:18:31.000 to say, 'It's not attached'. 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:33.771 Because where we are functioning, normally, 00:18:33.771 --> 00:18:37.597 is from the identity of the person, which is attached. 00:18:37.597 --> 00:18:40.040 Which likes and dislikes. 00:18:40.040 --> 00:18:42.392 Who wants and doesn't want. 00:18:42.392 --> 00:18:44.782 Who thinks this and thinks that. 00:18:44.782 --> 00:18:49.619 And very much is in the function of perceiving and living, no? 00:18:49.619 --> 00:18:53.851 So, what I'm sharing is that, that's OK. 00:18:53.851 --> 00:19:00.491 But if you only are aware of yourself as a person, with its world, 00:19:00.491 --> 00:19:05.210 you will never be totally happy. Because it's not stable. 00:19:05.210 --> 00:19:09.217 Today, 'Ah, I'm so happy. I'm so ... Oh, so wonderful!' 00:19:09.217 --> 00:19:12.452 Tomorrow I see you ... [Mooji imitates struggling] 00:19:12.452 --> 00:19:15.899 I see you. I say, Mia, what's up? 00:19:15.899 --> 00:19:18.541 'It's OK, I don't want to talk about it.' 00:19:18.541 --> 00:19:22.190 [M.] Who is it, who is speaking? Person, no? [Q.1] Yes. 00:19:22.190 --> 00:19:24.354 [M.] What does the Self say? 00:19:24.354 --> 00:19:27.556 What does the real Self [say]? 00:19:27.556 --> 00:19:30.317 [Mooji] Is it important at all? [Q.1] No. 00:19:30.317 --> 00:19:33.586 [M.] No. Is the Self important? [Q.1] No. 00:19:33.586 --> 00:19:36.064 [M.] It's not important? OK. [Q.1] No. 00:19:36.064 --> 00:19:39.791 [M.] Does that mean it's no good? It's not significant? 00:19:39.791 --> 00:19:43.960 The Self is not important? It's not important? 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:47.471 OK, so what's the purpose of it existing then? 00:19:47.471 --> 00:19:51.024 If other things after it are important, like the person; 00:19:51.024 --> 00:19:54.835 personal identity is important, personal world is important, 00:19:54.835 --> 00:19:57.034 personal attachment is important. 00:19:57.034 --> 00:20:02.324 But the one before all of this comes, which cannot be removed, 00:20:02.324 --> 00:20:06.572 can the Self be killed? No. 00:20:06.572 --> 00:20:10.090 And you say, I'm quite liking it, actually, NOTE Paragraph 00:20:10.090 --> 00:20:13.544 'It's not important'. OK? 00:20:16.524 --> 00:20:20.710 [Mooji] What is important? 00:20:20.710 --> 00:20:25.525 [Q.1] I feel this exercise is important to do. [Mooji] Yes. 00:20:25.525 --> 00:20:29.660 [Mooji] Why is it important, the exercise? 00:20:33.735 --> 00:20:36.751 [Q.1] To stabilise in this. [Mooji] Yes. 00:20:36.751 --> 00:20:41.035 [Mooji] Is it the Self, the inmost Self, that has to stabilise, 00:20:41.035 --> 00:20:43.518 or something else has to stabilise? 00:20:43.518 --> 00:20:46.929 [Q.1] Something else. [Mooji] Right. 00:20:46.929 --> 00:20:51.884 [Mooji] Why does it need to stabilise, the something else? 00:20:51.884 --> 00:20:57.532 [Q.1] Because ... Not to get pulled into identity. 00:20:57.532 --> 00:21:04.262 [M.] Yes. What is it that gets pulled into identity, is it the Self? 00:21:04.262 --> 00:21:07.867 [Q.1] Attention. [M.] Attention. Attention gets pulled. 00:21:07.867 --> 00:21:11.798 [Mooji] So attention is very important. [Q.1] Yes. 00:21:11.798 --> 00:21:15.952 [Mooji] When the attention gets pulled into identity, 00:21:15.952 --> 00:21:18.522 what knows it most deeply; 00:21:18.522 --> 00:21:25.223 the attention, the mind, the person, or the inmost Self? 00:21:25.223 --> 00:21:28.682 [Q.1] The Self. The inmost Self. [Mooji] The Self. 00:21:28.682 --> 00:21:32.103 [Mooji] Does it suffer? [Q.1] No. 00:21:32.103 --> 00:21:34.807 [Mooji] No. Still it's important, 00:21:34.807 --> 00:21:39.320 because every time the attention goes out and forgets itself, 00:21:39.320 --> 00:21:43.268 [M.] it forgets where it comes from. [Q.1] Yeah. [laughs] 00:21:43.268 --> 00:21:45.870 [M.] Every time the attention goes out, 00:21:45.870 --> 00:21:50.431 gets involved in its projections, it causes some pain. 00:21:50.431 --> 00:21:53.250 It creates a kind of a world, 00:21:53.250 --> 00:21:55.207 it creates emotion, 00:21:55.207 --> 00:21:58.490 it creates ups and downs, like this. 00:21:58.490 --> 00:22:01.319 And something is troubled by that. 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:04.937 [M.] Maybe the person is troubled by that. [Q.1] Yes. 00:22:04.937 --> 00:22:08.478 [M.] And in our world, everything is due to the person. 00:22:08.478 --> 00:22:11.777 It's the person that takes another person to court. 00:22:11.777 --> 00:22:15.660 It's the person that wins or loses. What about the Self? 00:22:18.498 --> 00:22:22.187 [Q.1] Nothing. [laughs] [M.] Is it important to know this? 00:22:22.187 --> 00:22:24.273 [Q.1] Yeah. [M.] Yeah. 00:22:24.273 --> 00:22:26.600 [M.] OK, so when we speak about ... 00:22:26.600 --> 00:22:29.387 I'll come back to your letter now. 00:22:29.387 --> 00:22:36.024 You say, 'I don't know how to observe with detachment'. 00:22:36.024 --> 00:22:40.776 Does the Self need to know, how to observe with detachment? 00:22:40.776 --> 00:22:45.179 [Questioner shakes head, no] [Mooji] Why? 00:22:45.179 --> 00:22:47.259 [Q.1] It doesn't need anything. 00:22:47.259 --> 00:22:50.286 [Mooji] It doesn't need anything. 00:22:50.286 --> 00:22:54.110 Yet everything is known to it. 00:22:54.110 --> 00:22:57.950 The play of the mind, or 'Da-da-da-da', it knows, 00:22:57.950 --> 00:23:02.847 [Mooji] but it's not impacted upon. [Q.1] No. 00:23:02.847 --> 00:23:08.134 [M.] There is a link between the sense of the person and the inner Self. 00:23:08.134 --> 00:23:10.147 [Q.1] Yes. [Mooji] Yes. 00:23:10.147 --> 00:23:14.673 [M.] When the person, who cannot exist without the inner Self, 00:23:14.673 --> 00:23:22.919 when it gets into states of confusion and pain, 00:23:22.919 --> 00:23:26.794 if it doesn't realise its root as the inner Self, 00:23:26.794 --> 00:23:30.470 [M.] it goes floating off and trouble can come. [Q.1] Yes. 00:23:30.470 --> 00:23:33.574 [M.] Mental problems can come. Sickness can come. 00:23:33.574 --> 00:23:36.417 Anger can come. Fear comes. Everything comes. 00:23:36.417 --> 00:23:38.446 So it's very important, 00:23:38.446 --> 00:23:41.858 that this personal sense becomes aware of its root. 00:23:41.858 --> 00:23:45.886 [Q.1] Yes, and when I try to do this exercise, [M.] Yes. 00:23:45.886 --> 00:23:50.032 [Q.1] I cannot come to this. [M.] Who is doing the exercise? 00:23:50.032 --> 00:23:54.084 [Q.1] Yes, it's the mind and the person. [M.] The mind is doing. 00:23:54.084 --> 00:23:57.950 [Q.1] And the one who wants to stop suffering. [M.] Right. 00:23:57.950 --> 00:24:01.099 [Mooji] What knows this? 00:24:03.982 --> 00:24:05.986 What is aware of this? 00:24:05.986 --> 00:24:08.562 Is it the person-mind or the inner Self? 00:24:08.562 --> 00:24:12.300 [Q.1] The inner Self. [M.] Yes. Is the inner Self troubled? 00:24:12.300 --> 00:24:14.345 [Q.1] No. 00:24:14.345 --> 00:24:18.862 [M.] Still, the exercise is good, because this is the real yoga. 00:24:18.862 --> 00:24:22.156 Yoga means the coming together into oneness, 00:24:22.156 --> 00:24:28.966 where the sense of the person has to rediscover its root. 00:24:28.966 --> 00:24:31.159 The person cannot live by itself. 00:24:31.159 --> 00:24:34.682 Even when it's not aware of the Self, 00:24:34.682 --> 00:24:37.688 it still comes from the Self. 00:24:37.688 --> 00:24:43.070 So largely the human expression of the consciousness self 00:24:43.070 --> 00:24:46.518 is self-aware as a person. 00:24:46.518 --> 00:24:50.244 And so it can go on for lifetimes, in the human lifetime, 00:24:50.244 --> 00:24:53.787 living the person, because it's a big world, its dreams, 00:24:53.787 --> 00:24:58.312 and 'I've to go do this, I like this, I don't like that', and da da da. 00:24:58.312 --> 00:25:00.317 Maybe life after life. 00:25:00.317 --> 00:25:04.176 'This life I love, I love ice cream. I'd die for ice cream.' 00:25:04.176 --> 00:25:06.565 Next life, 'I can't stand ice cream'. 00:25:06.565 --> 00:25:08.895 There's nothing consistent about it. 00:25:08.895 --> 00:25:13.110 Except that it cannot exist without the real Self. 00:25:13.110 --> 00:25:16.113 And it has intelligence also. 00:25:16.113 --> 00:25:21.630 So, when it happens to this personal self, 00:25:21.630 --> 00:25:25.321 for some reason, it's being attracted to find out that. 00:25:25.321 --> 00:25:27.715 Maybe it suffers enough in the world 00:25:27.715 --> 00:25:31.493 and it wants to find a solution for it. 00:25:31.493 --> 00:25:37.266 And the only solid solution is to discover where it comes from, 00:25:37.266 --> 00:25:42.296 and that where it comes from and itself, are one. 00:25:42.296 --> 00:25:44.718 That's what the search of life is. 00:25:44.718 --> 00:25:48.970 Because all beings who are not aware of this oneness with the Self, 00:25:48.970 --> 00:25:51.363 all of them suffer. 00:25:51.363 --> 00:25:54.650 All have problems. Do you see? 00:25:54.650 --> 00:25:58.837 So this is the purpose of our satsang, 00:25:58.837 --> 00:26:03.506 is that the consciousness, in the form of a person, 00:26:03.506 --> 00:26:05.788 becomes attracted to its root, 00:26:05.788 --> 00:26:09.557 and not just attracted to the world in front of it. 00:26:09.557 --> 00:26:12.815 And so this exercise, like detachment, 00:26:12.815 --> 00:26:15.081 meaning that whatever is going on, 00:26:15.081 --> 00:26:19.527 to go in the world, to do, the this, and the self-image, 00:26:19.527 --> 00:26:21.907 self-image, self-assessments, 00:26:21.907 --> 00:26:25.853 all of this is a play of the mind, 00:26:25.853 --> 00:26:28.975 is playing these mind states, no? 00:26:28.975 --> 00:26:35.647 And it has to realise that all states are changeful, OK? 00:26:35.647 --> 00:26:37.755 And that it can witness them, 00:26:37.755 --> 00:26:40.955 it can observe them, without being them. 00:26:40.955 --> 00:26:43.535 In fact, you can only observe something, 00:26:43.535 --> 00:26:46.050 because you are not it, actually. 00:26:46.050 --> 00:26:49.224 And that there is a capacity, 00:26:49.224 --> 00:26:54.089 even in the person, to observe, 00:26:54.089 --> 00:26:59.107 and in observing them it knows that it's not them. 00:26:59.107 --> 00:27:03.717 And that characteristic is like its parent. 00:27:03.717 --> 00:27:08.162 You see, the person, the characteristic of looking and realising that, 00:27:08.162 --> 00:27:14.685 'Whatever I see is only an impression, a thought, a feeling, 00:27:14.685 --> 00:27:19.109 but it's not what I am'. That's called 'awakening'. 00:27:19.109 --> 00:27:21.240 It's waking up to the fact that, 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:25.164 nothing out here that comes through the mind or the senses, 00:27:25.164 --> 00:27:27.972 nothing of there can be fundamental to me. 00:27:27.972 --> 00:27:30.051 All of it is changing. 00:27:30.051 --> 00:27:36.066 And even myself as the person who is looking and knowing this, 00:27:36.066 --> 00:27:40.391 is like on the verge of this way - world, 00:27:40.391 --> 00:27:43.270 this way - into the abyss of the Self. 00:27:43.270 --> 00:27:46.196 Because it has a capacity that when it looks, 00:27:46.196 --> 00:27:51.887 and it's not identified with what it sees, or what it experiences, OK? 00:27:51.887 --> 00:27:56.405 And each thing comes like, life is saying, 'This thing and this thing'. 00:27:56.405 --> 00:28:00.215 And it's saying, 'No, it's not this. What I am is not this.' 00:28:00.215 --> 00:28:02.247 As you keep doing that, 00:28:02.247 --> 00:28:07.488 it naturally comes back to its original Self-awareness. 00:28:07.488 --> 00:28:10.723 And I say, Self-awareness, non-dual Self-awareness, 00:28:10.723 --> 00:28:15.582 like not one thing, not a divided union, but a harmony. 00:28:15.582 --> 00:28:17.716 It comes back into realising, 00:28:17.716 --> 00:28:21.908 'But here, nothing is happening to me'. 00:28:21.908 --> 00:28:24.980 When I go into the mind, into identity, 00:28:24.980 --> 00:28:27.575 then happenings become relevant. 00:28:27.575 --> 00:28:32.971 But if I even can observe and be aware of even my person, 00:28:32.971 --> 00:28:37.849 which is like, my person is like the ... 00:28:37.849 --> 00:28:43.188 What you call this? The binoculars that see the world, OK, 00:28:43.188 --> 00:28:45.410 but the person who sees the world 00:28:45.410 --> 00:28:48.298 is also seen from the place of the Self. 00:28:48.298 --> 00:28:54.050 When it knows this, it's coming back into conscious harmony. 00:28:54.050 --> 00:28:56.813 That's all the thing of detachment is. 00:28:56.813 --> 00:29:00.936 You don't have to kill anything. It's just understanding. 00:29:00.936 --> 00:29:04.934 The realisation of the Self is a journey of understanding, 00:29:04.934 --> 00:29:08.939 and understanding your misunderstanding. So it's simple. 00:29:08.939 --> 00:29:12.940 Unless we get it, it might seem, 'It's the most complex thing'. 00:29:12.940 --> 00:29:15.525 Why? Because you're not used to doing it. 00:29:15.525 --> 00:29:18.872 Each one is used to looking forward, looking outward. 00:29:18.872 --> 00:29:23.078 Even sometimes when you think we're looking inward into our mind, 00:29:23.078 --> 00:29:25.592 it's still outward from the inner Self. 00:29:25.592 --> 00:29:28.076 [Q.1] Yes, and this happens a lot, 00:29:28.076 --> 00:29:33.439 because I go in and then it's the body. I cannot go beyond. 00:29:33.439 --> 00:29:36.802 [M.] Yes. Or the body-mind. You are in the body-mind. 00:29:36.802 --> 00:29:39.784 But something behind that knows this thing. 00:29:39.784 --> 00:29:44.439 The mind cannot make an ultimate realisation 00:29:44.439 --> 00:29:48.294 without becoming the realisation. 00:29:48.294 --> 00:29:53.785 The mind or the person cannot come to ultimate realisation 00:29:53.785 --> 00:29:57.245 and remain independent of that realisation. 00:29:57.245 --> 00:30:02.017 The more it becomes aware, the more it finds that it Is. 00:30:02.017 --> 00:30:04.587 Not that it has. 00:30:04.587 --> 00:30:08.432 And this is a very significant thing. 00:30:08.432 --> 00:30:11.263 Nobody can have the realisation 00:30:11.263 --> 00:30:13.770 and be somebody who has realisation. 00:30:13.770 --> 00:30:17.256 What it means is that, the idea of yourself 00:30:17.256 --> 00:30:21.365 as being only the person, subsides again, and is seen, 00:30:21.365 --> 00:30:26.190 it is seen as also the most subtle object. 00:30:26.190 --> 00:30:31.180 This subtle object of a person is behaving like a subject, 00:30:31.180 --> 00:30:34.244 and that everything in its world is the object. 00:30:34.244 --> 00:30:38.187 But to the Self, it also is the first object. 00:30:38.187 --> 00:30:44.619 The first object shines as this feeling 'I', 'I am here'. 00:30:44.619 --> 00:30:47.275 You know, 'Mia!' 'Yes, I'm here.' 00:30:47.275 --> 00:30:49.339 What does it mean, 'I am here'? 00:30:49.339 --> 00:30:53.033 The reference normally is, 'Look, I'm over here'. 00:30:53.033 --> 00:30:55.103 And this is OK, this is normal. 00:30:55.103 --> 00:30:59.090 This is the only place where language can exist, in that way. 00:30:59.090 --> 00:31:01.952 The language is for the sense of the person 00:31:01.952 --> 00:31:06.813 having relationship with what it likes or dislikes. OK? 00:31:06.813 --> 00:31:10.237 Actually there's nothing wrong with this, ultimately. 00:31:10.237 --> 00:31:13.405 Because even as you wake up again to realise that, 00:31:13.405 --> 00:31:16.391 whatever happens, it's seen from this place. 00:31:16.391 --> 00:31:18.776 But this place cannot be seen, 00:31:18.776 --> 00:31:23.728 and that I can only really be this place. 00:31:23.728 --> 00:31:27.722 Then when you really know this, the dynamic expression of this, 00:31:27.722 --> 00:31:31.196 which is like of being a person, that can still play, 00:31:31.196 --> 00:31:34.650 but it won't have that delusion in it. 00:31:34.650 --> 00:31:38.654 [Q.1] Yes. This delusion has to go. 00:31:38.654 --> 00:31:42.015 [Mooji] No, it needs to be understood. [Q.1] Yes. 00:31:42.015 --> 00:31:44.978 [M.] It doesn't need to go. Why it needs to go? 00:31:44.978 --> 00:31:48.015 Because you are combining it with your identity 00:31:48.015 --> 00:31:50.339 and it hurts like, 'No, no, no, no'. 00:31:50.339 --> 00:31:53.504 But all this now, you're going to see all of this 00:31:53.504 --> 00:31:56.450 are constructs of the mind. 00:31:56.450 --> 00:32:00.089 And even the self is just a psychological portrait 00:32:00.089 --> 00:32:03.136 of the mind, of the person. 00:32:03.136 --> 00:32:07.698 But the inner being, which has no shape, you can't identify and say, 00:32:07.698 --> 00:32:11.023 'Ah, I found the inner being'. You cannot do that. 00:32:11.023 --> 00:32:16.170 Because anything you can do that with, is an object in the perception. 00:32:16.170 --> 00:32:18.172 [Q.1] Yes. 00:32:18.172 --> 00:32:20.860 [Mooji] You got it, isn't it? [Q.1] Yes. 00:32:20.860 --> 00:32:25.198 [Mooji] OK. So, prove your problem. Go on. 00:32:25.198 --> 00:32:28.196 [silence] 00:32:41.723 --> 00:32:45.963 [M.] You need to sit with this, more and more. [Q.1] Yes. 00:32:45.963 --> 00:32:48.421 [M.] Because it's like shape shifting. 00:32:48.421 --> 00:32:50.680 One minute you think you're looking 00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.650 and the next minute you're involved, invested. 00:32:53.650 --> 00:32:55.650 [Q.1] Yes. 00:32:55.650 --> 00:32:58.043 [M.] OK. Don't get angry about this, 00:32:58.043 --> 00:33:02.290 because it's been happening for lifetimes. 00:33:02.290 --> 00:33:04.481 So, let it happen, it's OK. 00:33:04.481 --> 00:33:08.544 Just keep seeing, 'But wait a minute, this can be seen also'. 00:33:08.544 --> 00:33:13.961 The most intimate is also an object of perception. 00:33:13.961 --> 00:33:18.242 The most intimate, because 'intimate' means at least two. 00:33:18.242 --> 00:33:22.230 If there's not two, there's no intimate. 00:33:27.801 --> 00:33:33.897 Can you be confused, 'you', in the light of what I'm sharing? 00:33:33.897 --> 00:33:36.575 [Q.1] No, no. [Mooji] Thank you. 00:33:36.575 --> 00:33:39.863 [M.] But you can be aware of confusion. [Q.1] Yes. 00:33:39.863 --> 00:33:42.389 [M.] If you can be aware of confusion 00:33:42.389 --> 00:33:47.357 without identifying with confusion, are you cheating? 00:33:47.357 --> 00:33:49.943 [Q.1] No, no. [laughs] 00:33:52.194 --> 00:33:54.609 [Mooji] Very good. 00:33:56.652 --> 00:34:01.560 So let's start again from the beginning. What is your problem? 00:34:09.455 --> 00:34:13.257 [Q.1] That when I do this exercise, 00:34:13.257 --> 00:34:16.239 I believe I need to find something. 00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:18.678 [Mooji] 'I' being what? 00:34:18.678 --> 00:34:21.384 [M.] Qualify your status. [Q.1] The person. 00:34:21.384 --> 00:34:23.480 [M.] When you do the exercise? 00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:26.272 When the person does the exercise, OK. 00:34:26.272 --> 00:34:31.116 There is another word for person in this exercise, 00:34:31.116 --> 00:34:33.983 I would call it, 00:34:33.983 --> 00:34:42.059 when the personalised intelligence of the Truth, 00:34:42.059 --> 00:34:48.004 when the personal intelligence of God 00:34:48.004 --> 00:34:52.261 gets confused with its projections, 00:34:52.261 --> 00:34:54.695 then it's like, it's lost to itself. 00:34:54.695 --> 00:34:56.918 It's like, it's lost to itself. 00:34:56.918 --> 00:35:01.849 When that loss to itself becomes painful, 00:35:01.849 --> 00:35:05.322 you are on the brink of awakening. 00:35:05.322 --> 00:35:07.533 Do you understand? 00:35:07.533 --> 00:35:10.033 Because if you're not troubled by it, 00:35:10.033 --> 00:35:12.111 then you will not go beyond it. 00:35:12.111 --> 00:35:17.012 [Q.1] Yes, when it's just pain, pain, pain. [laughs] 00:35:17.012 --> 00:35:20.563 [M.] 'No pain, no gain,' they say. [Questioner 1 laughs] 00:35:20.563 --> 00:35:22.559 You have to ... 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.992 It's like, in a way, you are giving birth to yourself. 00:35:27.992 --> 00:35:31.161 [Q.1] Because I sit and I do, 00:35:31.161 --> 00:35:35.773 but I feel like there is no result. Then I give up and come back. 00:35:35.773 --> 00:35:39.416 [M.] You, again, who is sitting and looking, is what? 00:35:39.416 --> 00:35:42.670 [Q.1] The person. [both laugh] 00:35:45.088 --> 00:35:48.511 [M.] Does it matter that we're catching it like that? 00:35:48.511 --> 00:35:50.509 That it's the person doing it, 00:35:50.509 --> 00:35:53.277 and that what the person cries about today, 00:35:53.277 --> 00:35:56.697 laughs about another moment. That it's not consistent. 00:35:56.697 --> 00:36:00.760 And even if it says, 'Eureka, I found the Self!' Can it be true? 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:03.354 [Q.1] No. [Mooji] No. Why not? 00:36:03.354 --> 00:36:06.219 [Q.1] Because it cannot be seen. 00:36:06.219 --> 00:36:10.110 And if it lends to some illusion of ... 00:36:10.110 --> 00:36:13.890 [M.] So then what's the practice for? 00:36:18.065 --> 00:36:23.724 [Q.1] To become aware of all these ... 00:36:27.694 --> 00:36:31.747 Wrong ideas. 00:36:31.747 --> 00:36:34.374 [M.] Yes, that's one way we can put it. 00:36:34.374 --> 00:36:37.410 Tell me another way we can put it. That's good. 00:36:37.410 --> 00:36:41.214 I take that, to become aware of all these kind of little, 00:36:41.214 --> 00:36:46.689 all these little distortions of understanding, 00:36:46.689 --> 00:36:50.981 to become aware of them. But more subtle than that. 00:36:50.981 --> 00:36:56.578 By becoming aware of them, you become aware of what? 00:36:56.578 --> 00:37:01.544 [Q.1] Of That which is seeing. [Mooji] Is seeing, yeah. 00:37:01.544 --> 00:37:04.154 [M.] How can you become, 00:37:04.154 --> 00:37:06.918 can you be aware of it phenomenally? 00:37:06.918 --> 00:37:09.654 Can you become aware of it phenomenally? 00:37:09.654 --> 00:37:11.829 [Q.1] No. [Mooji] No. 00:37:11.829 --> 00:37:15.285 [Mooji] So therefore, you become aware of what? 00:37:15.285 --> 00:37:20.605 [Q.1] It feels like it's just moments of this awareness. 00:37:20.605 --> 00:37:24.796 [M.] Yeah. It will flicker before, because you're not used to it. 00:37:24.796 --> 00:37:27.211 The reflex is used to going out 00:37:27.211 --> 00:37:30.957 and connecting with objects of projections and perception. 00:37:30.957 --> 00:37:34.115 You're used to that. But now I'm asking you to ... 00:37:34.115 --> 00:37:38.055 All this is happening for everyone. And even the one who says, 00:37:38.055 --> 00:37:41.601 'But this is happening to me and I find it frustrating!' 00:37:41.601 --> 00:37:44.251 What I'm asking you to do is to see that, 00:37:44.251 --> 00:37:47.882 that also is an aspect of the mind. 00:37:47.882 --> 00:37:50.007 But all of these aspects, 00:37:50.007 --> 00:37:54.128 they came originally from out of this projection, forward. 00:37:54.128 --> 00:37:56.601 [M.] Can you see? [Q.1] Yeah. 00:37:56.601 --> 00:38:06.362 [M.] Yeah. And that the real opportunity is in seeing this. 00:38:06.362 --> 00:38:11.442 But still something is feeling, 'No, but mind is still troubling'. 00:38:11.442 --> 00:38:15.362 No, don't worry. It's troubling who? 00:38:15.362 --> 00:38:19.990 Who is the mind troubling? 00:38:19.990 --> 00:38:23.992 [M.] We can say together after three: 1, 2, 3 ... [Q.1] No one. 00:38:23.992 --> 00:38:27.220 [M.] The person. Oh, no one! Oh, you beat me to it! 00:38:27.220 --> 00:38:31.092 It's troubling no one! It's troubling no one. 00:38:31.092 --> 00:38:36.058 That's a better answer than the person. Do you see this? 00:38:36.058 --> 00:38:38.373 [Q.1] Yeah. [Mooji] OK. NOTE Paragraph 00:38:40.509 --> 00:38:43.760 [Mooji] So now what? 00:38:47.393 --> 00:38:51.130 It's enough or not enough? 00:38:54.319 --> 00:38:57.319 [Q.1] I don't know. 00:38:57.319 --> 00:39:02.820 [M.] Who is saying? Who is ...? Where is this answer coming from? 00:39:06.861 --> 00:39:10.499 I can accept it, or I can question it, 'I don't know'. 00:39:10.499 --> 00:39:14.939 'I', who don't know? 00:39:14.939 --> 00:39:18.712 [Q.1] It's the person. [Mooji] It's the person. 00:39:18.712 --> 00:39:21.861 [Mooji] Yeah, sure? [Q.1] No. [laughs] 00:39:21.861 --> 00:39:23.928 [M.] It can be from the person. 00:39:23.928 --> 00:39:26.248 If you say it's from the person, OK, 00:39:26.248 --> 00:39:29.118 then I would say, You give me one more move. 00:39:29.118 --> 00:39:34.197 But what's aware that it's coming from the person? 00:39:34.197 --> 00:39:39.342 [Q.1] Yes. Something feels like, it's not satisfied, 00:39:39.342 --> 00:39:45.310 but I should not go after this. 00:39:45.310 --> 00:39:49.104 [Mooji] Yes, yes. This is a powerful seeing, 00:39:49.104 --> 00:39:51.612 'Something feels not satisfied'. 00:39:51.612 --> 00:39:54.320 That which feels not satisfied, 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.267 is it personal or impersonal? 00:39:57.267 --> 00:40:00.494 [Q.1] It's personal. [Mooji] Personal. 00:40:00.494 --> 00:40:04.501 [M.] You see, if that gets you each time, like the person goes, 00:40:04.501 --> 00:40:07.972 'Yes, I know Guruji, but you know, I can't get ...' 00:40:07.972 --> 00:40:10.508 [M.] Who is speaking? [Q.1] The person. 00:40:10.508 --> 00:40:12.593 [M.] Yeah. [Q.1] Yeah. 00:40:12.593 --> 00:40:15.260 [M.] So we will finish on that note? 00:40:15.260 --> 00:40:21.140 [Q.1] Uh, person? No. [laughs] [M.] Thank you. OK. Where? 00:40:29.120 --> 00:40:33.508 [Mooji] What does finish mean? 00:40:33.508 --> 00:40:37.880 [Q.1] Just this conversation. Finish the conversation. 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:43.619 [M.] The conversation can finish in its oral manifestation. 00:40:43.619 --> 00:40:46.546 It may go to be some kind of little stuff 00:40:46.546 --> 00:40:49.820 in the mind that feels like, 'Yeah, I don't know. 00:40:49.820 --> 00:40:53.010 I had a talk with Mooji, and it was really clear, 00:40:53.010 --> 00:40:55.952 but now it's not clear.' Is a report from? 00:40:55.952 --> 00:40:58.233 [Q.1] The mind. [M.] From the mind. 00:40:58.233 --> 00:41:02.415 [Mooji] And is that ultimate? [Q.1] No. 00:41:02.415 --> 00:41:06.324 [Mooji] No. What is ultimate? 00:41:06.324 --> 00:41:09.572 [Q.1] That which is aware of this. 00:41:09.572 --> 00:41:12.027 [Mooji] Yes, yes. 00:41:12.027 --> 00:41:15.507 Which is where? 00:41:15.507 --> 00:41:18.665 [Q.1] It's nowhere. 00:41:18.665 --> 00:41:22.770 [Mooji] Why are you smiling? [Questioner laughs] 00:41:28.425 --> 00:41:34.004 [Mooji] So, do you have a problem? 00:41:34.004 --> 00:41:37.388 [Q.1] No. [both laugh] 00:41:37.388 --> 00:41:42.674 [M.] Can you, from this place of answering, ever have a problem? 00:41:42.674 --> 00:41:45.288 [Q.1] No. No. 00:41:50.912 --> 00:41:55.849 [Mooji] Are you sad or happy about this? 00:41:59.536 --> 00:42:02.536 [Q.1] Nothing. [Mooji] Very good. NOTE Paragraph 00:42:04.706 --> 00:42:09.119 [M.] More subtle than even happy. 00:42:13.275 --> 00:42:16.829 [Mooji] Yeah. We're good? 00:42:19.388 --> 00:42:22.853 If you go walking and the mind comes again and says, 00:42:22.853 --> 00:42:26.847 'I can't remember anything about that'. 00:42:26.847 --> 00:42:31.293 'I'm going to try and see if I can get that mood back.' Was it a mood? 00:42:31.293 --> 00:42:33.991 [Q.1] No. [M.] It's not a mood. 00:42:33.991 --> 00:42:36.605 [M.] Can you lose this? 00:42:38.460 --> 00:42:40.470 [Q.1] No. [M.] No. 00:42:42.216 --> 00:42:46.201 [M.] Can you possess this? [Q.1] No. 00:42:49.399 --> 00:42:52.549 [M.] Very good. 00:42:56.226 --> 00:42:58.935 [M.] I'm happy. Very good. 00:42:58.935 --> 00:43:02.676 So, the rest I don't have to read, no? 00:43:02.676 --> 00:43:06.346 'I don't know how to be aware, that I am aware.' 00:43:06.346 --> 00:43:08.843 [Questioner laughs] 00:43:08.843 --> 00:43:14.674 'I still see this 'I'-identity as real. Please help. Mia.' 00:43:14.674 --> 00:43:16.982 [M.] Do we need? [Q.1] No. 00:43:16.982 --> 00:43:21.799 [M,] Very good. Can I keep it? [Q.1] Yes. I mean, throw it. 00:43:21.799 --> 00:43:25.857 [M.] Throw it, keep it. I'm happy you're like this. It's good. 00:43:25.857 --> 00:43:31.245 [Q.1] You don't need to keep it. [M.] Because this is ... [the letter] 00:43:31.245 --> 00:43:37.149 [M.] I call it an auspicious reaching out to clarify something. 00:43:37.149 --> 00:43:42.040 And to that extent, it's very ... 00:43:42.040 --> 00:43:45.051 I mean, it's not a game. 00:43:45.051 --> 00:43:50.494 We can say it is like a game, but it's not a cynical game. 00:43:50.494 --> 00:43:57.189 It's, you may say, a game or a play or, 00:43:57.189 --> 00:44:02.096 something that needs to happen 00:44:02.096 --> 00:44:06.318 to the human expression of consciousness, 00:44:06.318 --> 00:44:11.045 when it comes to a stage where its world is not working. 00:44:11.045 --> 00:44:14.078 And I don't see that as a disaster. 00:44:14.078 --> 00:44:17.944 I see it as an opportunity to look behind the scene. 00:44:17.944 --> 00:44:22.988 [Q.1] Yes, yes. I want to take every opportunity to look. 00:44:22.988 --> 00:44:26.709 [M.] OK. Now? Right now? 00:44:26.709 --> 00:44:30.605 [Q.1] Always, yes, now. [M.] Yes. OK. 00:44:30.605 --> 00:44:33.864 [M.] Do you need to look further now? 00:44:33.864 --> 00:44:36.793 [Q.1] I can do, yes. [Mooji] Yes. 00:44:36.793 --> 00:44:40.330 [M.] Yes. Good. [Q.1] Yes, yes. [laughs] 00:44:40.330 --> 00:44:44.349 [M.] Thank you. Very good. 00:44:47.738 --> 00:44:50.775 And you don't need to talk to anybody about it. 00:44:50.775 --> 00:44:53.779 Just you sit with that, and watch. 00:44:53.779 --> 00:45:00.599 And however tricky the mind can be, you remember, it is secondary. 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:03.950 That which is primary, is seeing that. 00:45:03.950 --> 00:45:08.403 And the mind can come in the form of thought or moods or sensation, 00:45:08.403 --> 00:45:10.686 it can appear like confusion, 00:45:10.686 --> 00:45:16.112 it appears as identity, but it's still only appearing. NOTE Paragraph 00:45:16.112 --> 00:45:19.658 [M.] Can the Self appear? [Q.1] No. 00:45:19.658 --> 00:45:21.663 [Mooji] No. 00:45:21.663 --> 00:45:26.489 So it causes the appearing of the mind play and the diversity, 00:45:26.489 --> 00:45:31.210 but it itself is indescribable, actually. 00:45:34.406 --> 00:45:37.956 So at this point I would say, sit and contemplate that. 00:45:37.956 --> 00:45:41.261 [Q.1] Yes. [M.] Yes. That's all you have to do. 00:45:41.261 --> 00:45:47.213 You see, it sounds as though from what you write, somebody might think, 00:45:47.213 --> 00:45:49.671 'Wow, I feel she's in real trouble'. 00:45:49.671 --> 00:45:52.194 But for me, I say, what an opportunity, 00:45:52.194 --> 00:45:55.281 I got to find out from you, we can look together. 00:45:55.281 --> 00:45:58.750 And it's all in you. It's all you. 00:46:02.051 --> 00:46:04.064 Very good. 00:46:05.506 --> 00:46:08.920 Would you like some tea, or get something? Are you OK? 00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.632 [Q.1] I think there's food waiting for me. 00:46:11.632 --> 00:46:14.212 [M.] Go and eat the food now, it's cold. 00:46:14.212 --> 00:46:18.339 That's the only food that's worth eating cold right now. 00:46:18.339 --> 00:46:23.729 Thank you. Wonderful, darling. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 00:46:23.729 --> 00:46:28.153 [Q.1] Thank you Guruji. [M.] Yes. See you in a bit. 00:46:28.153 --> 00:46:32.400 [M.] OK. OK. [Q.1] Thank you. 00:46:37.473 --> 00:46:41.176 [Mooji] If you are earnest, you can walk the same road. 00:46:41.176 --> 00:46:43.729 It's fresh every time. 00:46:46.846 --> 00:46:50.790 [Questioner 2] Babaji, this thing that something was missing, 00:46:50.790 --> 00:46:53.310 [Q.2] people brought to you many times, 00:46:53.310 --> 00:46:55.309 [Q.2] 'Yes, I do the exercise, 00:46:55.309 --> 00:46:58.219 everything's great, but something is missing'. 00:46:58.219 --> 00:47:00.857 And there was a moment when I recognised, 00:47:00.857 --> 00:47:05.039 'Oh, wow, I have this thought'. I really needed to look into that. 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:08.776 And it came to me, that due to the habit of having a shape, 00:47:08.776 --> 00:47:13.297 it's as though something is looking for the shape within the shapeless. 00:47:13.297 --> 00:47:16.647 And this gives you an idea that something is missing. 00:47:16.647 --> 00:47:19.744 And then, another thing that you keep telling us, 00:47:19.744 --> 00:47:22.460 'Can you bear your own emptiness?' 00:47:22.460 --> 00:47:27.017 And it's like, it just clicked in a different way. 00:47:27.017 --> 00:47:30.184 That it's not bothersome anymore when it comes. 00:47:30.184 --> 00:47:35.059 [M.] We are used to possessing some phenomenal gain. 00:47:35.059 --> 00:47:38.287 We say, 'Yes, but something is missing'. 00:47:38.287 --> 00:47:43.062 Sometimes I might put it ... 00:47:48.787 --> 00:47:54.761 What is saying that something is missing? 00:47:54.761 --> 00:48:00.966 And, you know, we are in a kind of 'end of game' moment. 00:48:00.966 --> 00:48:02.998 'The mind?' OK. 00:48:02.998 --> 00:48:07.206 What is seeing the mind, saying something is missing? 00:48:07.206 --> 00:48:09.572 'Oh, I can't see that.' 00:48:09.572 --> 00:48:12.973 Does that mean, it doesn't exist? Do you see? 00:48:12.973 --> 00:48:15.073 'I', who can't see it? 00:48:15.073 --> 00:48:20.010 Even the one who is saying, 'I can't see it', is also seen from it. 00:48:20.010 --> 00:48:22.798 [M.] But this, we come to something ... 00:48:22.798 --> 00:48:25.638 [Friend] Could you say that again? [M.] What? 00:48:25.638 --> 00:48:30.342 [M.] Even the one who is saying, 'I can't see what is seeing this', 00:48:30.342 --> 00:48:32.853 is itself seen, in this. 00:48:32.853 --> 00:48:35.524 But there is something that feels like, 00:48:35.524 --> 00:48:39.979 'I need a concrete conclusion'. 00:48:42.426 --> 00:48:49.259 And any concrete conclusion is also just phenomenal. 00:48:49.259 --> 00:48:53.062 And this is why I say, You cannot bear your own emptiness. 00:48:53.062 --> 00:48:57.967 Because something is relying on a trophy. 00:48:57.967 --> 00:49:02.291 But both the trophy and the one gaining it, aren't real, either. 00:49:02.291 --> 00:49:04.308 Like this. 00:49:04.308 --> 00:49:09.888 So it can look like, it's kind of mental, OK? 00:49:09.888 --> 00:49:14.109 It's like the sword of wisdom can look like, 00:49:14.109 --> 00:49:17.669 'Hmmm, but it's made out of cardboard'. 00:49:17.669 --> 00:49:23.573 It doesn't matter what it thinks, but, yes ... 00:49:25.618 --> 00:49:32.536 This is the heart of Advaita contemplation! 00:49:32.536 --> 00:49:35.184 It is the ... 00:49:38.618 --> 00:49:42.200 There is no next, after this. 00:49:42.200 --> 00:49:44.533 Do you understand? Unless we go out. 00:49:44.533 --> 00:49:48.297 Which is fine, but go out after! 00:49:48.297 --> 00:49:50.924 When you go out during, when we are looking, 00:49:50.924 --> 00:49:54.559 something wants to escape. That's fine, it's OK. 00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:58.910 Is that you? You say, 'Kind of ...' 00:49:58.910 --> 00:50:02.527 Because you're used to this being also mind, and ... 00:50:02.527 --> 00:50:05.721 [M.] So anyway, we can just stop there. [F.] Yes. 00:50:05.721 --> 00:50:08.698 [M.] Yes, the axe has fallen. 00:50:08.698 --> 00:50:12.187 But the head is talking. 00:50:12.187 --> 00:50:14.887 [laughter] 00:50:14.887 --> 00:50:19.444 Yes, the axe has fallen, but the head is talking. 00:50:27.155 --> 00:50:30.562 Copyright 2025 Mooji Media Ltd. All Rights Reserved. 00:50:30.562 --> 00:50:33.491 No part of this recording may be reproduced 00:50:33.491 --> 00:50:36.570 without Mooji Media Ltd.'s express consent.