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How to Be Free From Ego

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5 November 2024[br](with subtitles)

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[M.] Can I just read it out?[br][Q.1] Yes.

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[M.] You write, 'Dear Guruji.

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I am too ashamed and afraid to speak to you.

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I don't know how to observe with detachment.

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I don't know how to be aware[br]that I am aware.

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I still see this 'I' identity as real.[br]Please help me.'

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It's a very, very honest thing.

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I wish people would write more like this and say.

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Because some people,[br]they hold back and they don't say.

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So I appreciate that you can say it,

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because I can kind of have a chance

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to share with you in a simple way.

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[Mooji] 'I don't know[br]how to observe with detachment.'

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Actually, we're observing with detachment[br]on many things,

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if they don't matter to you,[br]you understand?

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If things don't matter to you, [br]you still see them,

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but you're not distracted by them.

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Everybody, same thing.[br]So that's the first part.

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There is no such thing as [br]not observing with detachment.

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If, suppose everything you see,[br]every situation you had,

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you had to remember.[br]It's just alive in you.

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We'll be completely crazy.[br]Nobody can do.

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There is the mechanism [br]of our true natural state,

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it's working all the time to ...

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Like you can walk through here,[br]walk up there,

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you don't have to notice every step.[br]You don't notice everything.

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You meet a person, 'Hi. Good morning'. [br]You pass. You don't have to retain that.

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So a natural detachment [br]is functioning inside us.

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It's already there, detachment.

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If we were not able to detach [br]and yet we are perceiving,

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we would be in trouble.

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So, first of all, know that it's natural [br]that you meet people ...

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It's the things that matter to you,

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that you start to become more attached to.

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Like it has meaning [br]and so I have to remember this thing.

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So it's almost like [br]you take a kind of photograph

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in some kind of way inside,[br]it's like that matters,

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so then it become important.[br]So like this, when you say,

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'I don't know how to observe with detachment.'

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If I say, But you're doing it anyway [br]with many things.

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If I walk through from the front[br]to the back here,

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and I say to everybody as we're walking through,[br]Be detached from everything,

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then it becomes a problem,[br]because it turns it into a strangeness.

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Because naturally you're detached from things.

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You come to satsang[br]and I'm teaching you something much more powerful

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and to bring awareness to something [br]that's already natural for you.

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But I want it to be natural for you[br]even with things that matter.

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[Q.1] Yes, that's my problem.

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[Mooji] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [br]It's a problem for everybody.

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With things that don't matter,[br]no problem.

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You don't even have to say,[br]'I'm going to be detached from that.'

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You don't even have to say that.[br]You don't have to think.

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You're just senses, eyes, life.[br]You meet these things. Nothing.

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Just move through them. You retain your peace.

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But about the things that you say matter,[br]and what makes them matter?

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Let's slow down a bit and say,[br]what makes some things matter?

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It's an open question.[br]Why do they matter?

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Some

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relationship, some concepts,

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OK, this is family, this is my job,

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this is my relationship,[br]and these things matter.

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So if somebody else's relationship [br]is in trouble, it's no problem for you.

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But if you have a relationship problem,[br]it matters for you.

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So what is this thing that I'm talking about,[br]to observe with detachment?

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It's just a little step further[br]than what I say,

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you walk through,[br]you're naturally detached anyway.

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What I'm asking about, [br]learning to observe with detachment,

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is to bring that detachment ...

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Because whatever you see,[br]nothing sticks actually. A natural thing.

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But when things matter, your relationship,

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what you want, your work and so on,

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it creates a structure in your mind

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and you have to take care of that.

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So, I'm not going into all of these things.

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I'm saying that, [br]OK, what is attachment, is to...

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I want you to be aware of a space within you,

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which is not changed[br]by whatever is happening around you.

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It's alive. It's not dead, but it's not,

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it's not attached to the outcome [br]of things so deeply.

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I don't know if I'm putting it right.[br]I'm trying to find an example.

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[Q.1] I feel like there is no space.[br]It's just all mind and identity.

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[M.] If you are able to see mind,

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you must be looking from [br]some place that's not mind.

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This is true for everybody.[br]Just you're not aware that it's like that.

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Actually, what I'm saying is [br]actually so powerfully true for you

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when you're aware of it.

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And largely, the teachings[br]and the practice of what we do here

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is to make you more aware of something about you

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that you're not so aware of, for everybody.

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And because we're not aware[br]in the place that you should be aware

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of your inmost being.

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You can't see that.

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That's the other thing.[br]Everything else you can see.

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Every relationship, every object you can see.

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Every thought you can remember, [br]you can think.

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They're all called 'other',[br]everything you can see.

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But your Self you cannot see.

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You get that?

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You can say,[br]'Oh, this is my body. This is my ring.

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This is my house. This is my car.'

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My, my, my. This belongs to me. [br]My, my, my. Everything belongs to you.

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This is my family. This is my mother.[br]This is my house.

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This is my country. This is my passport.[br]This is my birth certificate.

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All 'my', meaning they belong to you.

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But can you say, [br]This is my my? This is my me?'

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You can't say, 'This is my me.'[br]Why?

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[Q.1] Because I cannot see this.

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[M.] Yes.[br]So because you can't see it,

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[M.] does it mean it's not there?[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] Right.[br]So there's something in the world,

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everything you can see,[br]but something you cannot see.

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Everything you can see,[br]but something you cannot see.

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And yet you cannot deny that it is real, isn't it?[br]You know you are.

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Now, I'm going to zoom in a little bit closer

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in this feeling that, 'Yes, I know I am.'

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This thing which you cannot see,

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that you say, 'You know it is here.'[br]I mean, it's the first fact,

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because if it's not here,[br]nothing else is here, isn't it?

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But it cannot be seen, yeah?

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OK, so we are back to this point.

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Everything you can see, everything;

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your thoughts, feelings, objects, people,

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your feelings, all of these things, you can see.

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You can even see[br]the quality of your sight, isn't it?

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So if you went to the optician[br]and he says,

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'Could you tell me something, [br]why you come here?'

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You said, 'Actually, I'm not able to see [br]or focus on things so well.'

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He said, 'In both eyes?'

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You say, 'No, no, in the right eye.'[br]'OK, tell me something.'

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You said, 'In the left eye, I can see [br]maybe 80% of what it should be,

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but in the right eye it's like about 50.'

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So something must be seeing sight, isn't it?

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The capacity is there.[br]You don't have to ask anybody.

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You can see, yeah,[br]something is aware of even the sight

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is not functioning well.

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So something must be behind even the sight.

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You're also aware of feelings,[br]emotion,

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sense of time. If somebody said,[br]'Yesterday something happened',

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you're aware of what that means.[br]Everything you're aware of.

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Everything you can see.

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But your Self, can you see?

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Why?

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Your body you can see.[br]Your body you can see.

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You can see your smile.[br]You can see your body.

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You can see everything.

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But your Self, [br]is seeing your body [seeing] your Self?

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Why not?

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[Q.1] Because something is aware of ...[br][M.] Yeah.

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[Q.1] ... of the body.[br][M.] Yes.

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That something which is aware of the body[br]cannot be seen.

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[M.] You're saying, no?[br][Q.1] Yeah.

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[M.] Can it see sickness?

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It can know, 'I'm not feeling well'.

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'I'm not feeling ...'[br]It knows emotion.

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'I'm feeling a little a bit uncomfortable.'

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It sees everything.[br]But itself it cannot see.

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You're saying? Yeah.

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Why can it see everything,[br]but it cannot see itself?

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[Q.1] This I don't know.

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[M.] This which cannot ...

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You can see everything,[br]but you cannot see your Self.

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This which you cannot see,

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yet you cannot deny it,[br]this is your Self.

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Everything you can see,[br]your feelings, thoughts,

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and the function of intellect.

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Everything you can see.

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But that which is seeing them,[br]you say, 'I can see.' [VERIFY]

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It's sort of,[br]the word 'I' represents this thing,

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but it cannot be seen.

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Even your mother can come and say,

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'Darling, it's nice to see you.'

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What is the 'you' that she's seeing?

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[Q.1] The body.[br][M.] The body.

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And she's seeing her affection,[br]her memory of you.

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All this she puts to become you.

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'Darling, it's so nice.[br]I haven't seen you for a long time.'

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So whatever someone says,[br]'It's good to see you.

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Where have you been? You put on weight'[br]or, 'You lost some.'

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All of this is to do with what?

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[Q.1] Appearance.[br][M.] Your form and appearance, OK?

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[M.] So can she see You?

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Can you see You? Is that scary?

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[Q.1] No, it's not scary, but it's ...

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Something is missing or feels like ...

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[M.] OK, take a moment [br]and think about what is missing.

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You cannot see your True Self.

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I also cannot see my True Self.

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Why?[br]Because it's not an object.

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It's not even a thought.

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[Q.1] But you say to stay as this.[br]But... [laughs]

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[M.] Well. OK, OK, thank you.[br]I say to stay as this. Why?

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Because, first of all,[br]you imagine something else to be yourself.

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You call yourself a woman,[br]a daughter, you're from this country,

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my parents, I'm ... Whatever. Like this.

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So we're used to associating some quality[br]that represents you.

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But really, you're earlier than this,[br]in the purity.

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The one that is aware,[br]that says ...

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You're talking on the phone,[br]'I'm 27 years old. I've got two children.

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I'm married. I live in this place.'

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That one, is what?

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[Q.1] Person.[br][M.] The person.

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Is the person and the Self,[br]the True Self, is the same thing?

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[Q.1] No.

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[M.] Does that bring a feeling of discomfort?

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No. No. Because there's nothing [br]you have to do to know that.

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You, something knows.

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Yet most people in the world,[br]have not even looked like this.

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They have not even thought about this,

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because your world starts with your person.

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If I employ you, I look at you, I interview,

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I say, Tell me about yourself.[br]You say, 'I studied this in university.

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I lived in South Africa for a while. I travelled.'[br]Information, information.

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Information cannot be You.

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It's about your person. [br]Which is, what is the person?

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[Q.1] This identity is person.[br][M.] Yes, yes.

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[M.] Can you see the identity person?

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[Q.] Yeah.[br][M.] What does it look like?

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[Q.1] Some tightness, some attachment.

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[M.] Attachment.[br][Q.1] To ideas.

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[M.] Yes. Attachment to some ideas, OK.

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But the person is also an idea.

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[Q.1] This is the problem,[br]because it really feels real. So, yeah.

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[M.] Because it is the feeling 'I' in you,

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this 'I', it says,[br]'I see', 'I think', 'I ...' Da, da, da.

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Who is the 'I' that thinks.[br]We're not sure, the person or the real Self?

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'I want'.[br]'Yes, I know.'

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Who is the 'I' that knows?

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Is it personal or impersonal?

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[Q.1] Personal.[br][M.] It's personal. OK, good.

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[M.] What sees it's impersonal?

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[Q.1] I don't know what.[br]I know it's something is seeing but ...

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[M.] Yes. It's the same answer. [br]You've given the answer already.

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It cannot be seen.

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This is the most important discovery,

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because until you really[br]realise this and know this,

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you take yourself to be an object[br]perceiving another object.

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The object being your person.[br]And it's OK, it's OK.

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God made it like that, [br]that we would also be projected

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into the world of thought [br]and feeling and association

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and say, 'This is me'.[br]For a while.

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But with this 'I', that works as the person,

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its world and itself is never stable,

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because it has an identity.

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Is the identity of the person[br]always stable? No, no.

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But it tries with everything[br]to share that it is stable.

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Because stable means, it's wise, it's real.[br]It's dependable. It's consistent.

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I'm just talking this through.

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But I'm pointing to a deeper knowing [br]behind this person

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that knows the person, that sees the person.

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That which is aware of the person ...[br]You're with me?

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Is it attached to the person [br]or is the person attached to it?

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Take a moment.

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[Q.1] It's not attached.[br][M.] It's not attached.

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[M.] Does it suffer from not being attached?

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[Q.1] No. [laughs]

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[M.] But I had to question you,[br]for you to recede to that place,

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to say, 'It's not attached.'

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Because where we are functioning normally

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is from the identity of the person,[br]which is attached.

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Which likes and dislikes.

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Who wants and doesn't want.

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Who thinks this and thinks that.

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And very much is in the function [br]of perceiving and living, no?

0:18:50.237,0:18:53.851
So, what I'm sharing,[br]is that, that's OK.

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But if you only are aware of yourself[br]as a person, with its world,

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you will never be totally happy.[br]Because it's not stable.

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Today, 'Ah, I'm so happy.[br]I'm so ... Oh, so wonderful!'

0:19:09.217,0:19:13.322
Tomorrow I see you ... [imitates struggling]

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I say, Mia, what's up?[br]'It's OK, I don't want to talk about it.'

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[M.] Who is it, who is speaking? Person, no?[br][Q.1] Yes.

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[M.] What does the Self say?[br]What does the real Self say?

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Is it important at all?

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[M.] No. Is the Self important?[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] It's not important?[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] Does that mean it's no good?[br]It's not significant?

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The Self is not important?[br]It's not important?

0:19:43.960,0:19:47.471
OK, so what's the purpose[br]of it existing then?

0:19:47.471,0:19:50.804
If other things after it are important,[br]like the person;

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personal identity is important,[br]personal world is important,

0:19:54.365,0:19:56.954
personal attachment is important.

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But the one before all of this comes,[br]which cannot be removed,

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can the Self be killed? No.

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And you say, I like that, actually,[br]'It's not important.' OK?

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[M.] What is important?

0:20:20.710,0:20:25.525
[Q.1] I feel this exercise is important to do.[br][M.] Yes.

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[M.] Why is it important, the exercise?

0:20:33.747,0:20:36.751
[Q.1] To stabilise in this.[br][M.] Yes.

0:20:36.751,0:20:41.133
[M.] Is it the Self, the inmost Self, [br]that has to stabilise,

0:20:41.133,0:20:44.870
[M.] or something else has to stabilise?[br][Q.1] Something else.

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[M.] Right.

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Why does it need to stabilise,[br]the something else?

0:20:51.170,0:20:57.502
[Q.1] Not to get pulled into identity.

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[M.] Yes. What is it that gets pulled[br]into identity, is it the Self?

0:21:04.262,0:21:08.321
[Q.1] Attention.[br][M.] Attention. Attention gets pulled.

0:21:08.321,0:21:11.772
[M.] So attention is very important.[br][Q.1] Yes.

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[M.] When the attention gets pulled into identity,

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what knows it most deeply;

0:21:18.522,0:21:25.223
the attention, the mind, the person, [br]or the inmost Self?

0:21:25.223,0:21:28.825
[Q.1] The Self. The inmost Self.[br][M.] The Self.

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[M.] Does it suffer?[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] No. Still it's important,

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because every time the attention [br]goes out and forgets itself,

0:21:39.320,0:21:43.268
[M.] it forgets where it comes from.[br][Q.1] Yeah. [laughs]

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[M.] Every time the attention goes out,[br]gets involved in its projections,

0:21:48.360,0:21:50.431
it causes some pain.

0:21:50.431,0:21:55.105
It creates a kind of a world,[br]it creates emotion,

0:21:55.105,0:21:58.360
it creates ups and downs, like this,

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and something is troubled by that.

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Maybe the person is troubled by that.

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And in our world, [br]everything is due to the person.

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It's the person that takes [br]another person to court.

0:22:11.287,0:22:16.690
It's the person that wins or lose.[br]What about the Self?

0:22:18.346,0:22:21.777
[Q.1] Nothing. [laughs][br][M.] Is it important to know this?

0:22:21.777,0:22:24.273
[Q.1] Yeah.[br][M.] Yeah.

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OK, so when we speak about ...[br]I'll come back to your letter now.

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You say, 'I don't know[br]how to observe with detachment.'

0:22:35.940,0:22:40.860
Does the Self need to know [br]how to observe with detachment?

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[Questioner shakes head, no][br][M.] Why?

0:22:45.179,0:22:50.230
[Q.1] It doesn't need anything.[br][M.] It doesn't need anything.

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[M.] Yet everything is known to it.

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The play of the mind, [br]or da da da da, it knows,

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[M.] but it's not impacted upon.[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] There is a link between [br]the sense of the person and the inner Self.

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When the person,[br]who cannot exist without the inner Self,

0:23:16.405,0:23:22.919
when it gets into states of confusion and pain,

0:23:22.919,0:23:26.794
if it doesn't realise its root as the inner Self,

0:23:26.794,0:23:29.601
it goes floating off and trouble can come.

0:23:29.601,0:23:33.454
Mental problems can come.[br]Sickness can come. Anger can come.

0:23:33.454,0:23:35.517
Fear comes. Everything comes.

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So it's very important that [br]this personal sense

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becomes aware of its root.

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[Q.1] Yes, and when I try[br]to do this exercise, I cannot come to this.

0:23:47.965,0:23:53.034
[M.] Who is doing the exercise?[br][Q.1] Yes, the mind and the person

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[Q.1] and the one who wants to stop suffering.[br][M.] Right.

0:23:58.117,0:24:01.099
[M.] What knows this?

0:24:03.933,0:24:08.516
What is aware of this?[br]Is it the person-mind or the inner Self?

0:24:08.516,0:24:12.310
[Q.1] The inner Self.[br][M.] Yeah. Is the inner Self troubled?

0:24:12.310,0:24:14.415
[Q.1] No.

0:24:14.415,0:24:18.862
[M.] Still, the exercise is good,[br]because this is the real yoga.

0:24:18.862,0:24:22.965
Yoga means the coming together into oneness,

0:24:22.965,0:24:28.966
where the sense of the person [br]has to rediscover its root.

0:24:28.966,0:24:32.107
The person cannot live by itself.

0:24:32.107,0:24:37.688
Even when it's not aware of the Self,[br]it still comes from the Self.

0:24:37.688,0:24:43.070
So largely the human expression [br]of the consciousness self

0:24:43.070,0:24:46.518
is self-aware as a person.

0:24:46.518,0:24:51.096
And so it can go for lifetimes,[br]in the human lifetime, living the person,

0:24:51.096,0:24:55.162
because it's a big world, its dreams,[br]and 'I have to go do this.

0:24:55.162,0:25:00.087
I like this, I don't like that,' and da da da.[br]Maybe life after life.

0:25:00.087,0:25:03.766
'This life I love, I love ice cream. [br]I'd die for ice cream.'

0:25:03.766,0:25:09.155
Next life, 'I can't stand ice cream.'[br]There's nothing consistent about it.

0:25:09.155,0:25:13.568
Except that it cannot exist [br]without the real Self,

0:25:13.568,0:25:16.113
and it has intelligence also.

0:25:16.113,0:25:21.740
So, when it happens to this personal self,

0:25:21.740,0:25:25.388
for some reason, [br]it's being attracted to find out,

0:25:25.388,0:25:27.780
maybe it suffers enough in the world

0:25:27.780,0:25:31.710
and it wants to find a solution for it.

0:25:31.710,0:25:37.460
And the only solid solution [br]is to discover where it comes from,

0:25:37.460,0:25:42.540
and that where it come from, and itself, are one.

0:25:42.540,0:25:44.820
That's what the search of life is.

0:25:44.820,0:25:49.160
Because all the beings who are not aware[br]of this oneness with the Self,

0:25:49.160,0:25:54.800
all of them suffer. All have problem. You see.

0:25:54.800,0:25:59.020
So this is the purpose of our satsang,

0:25:59.020,0:26:03.630
is that the consciousness,[br]in the form of a person,

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becomes attracted to its root,

0:26:05.930,0:26:09.700
and not just attracted [br]to the world in front of it.

0:26:09.700,0:26:14.689
And so this exercise like detachment,[br]meaning that whatever is going on,

0:26:14.689,0:26:19.560
to go in the world, to do,[br]the this, and self-image,

0:26:19.560,0:26:22.012
self-image, self-assessments,

0:26:22.012,0:26:29.130
all of this is a play of the mind,[br]is mind states.

0:26:29.130,0:26:35.790
And it has to realise that [br]all states are changeful, okay,

0:26:35.790,0:26:41.040
and that it can witness them,[br]it can observe them, without being them.

0:26:41.040,0:26:46.209
In fact, you can only observe something[br]because you're not it, actually.

0:26:46.209,0:26:54.190
And that there's a capacity [br]even in the person to observe,

0:26:54.190,0:26:59.240
and in observing them[br]it knows that it's not them.

0:26:59.240,0:27:03.830
And that characteristic is like its parent.

0:27:03.830,0:27:08.194
You see, the person, the characteristic[br]of looking and realising that,

0:27:08.194,0:27:14.840
'Whatever I see is only an impression,[br]a thought, and a feeling,

0:27:14.840,0:27:19.150
but it's not what I am,'[br]that's called <i>awakening</i>

0:27:19.150,0:27:22.680
It's waking up to the fact that nothing out here

0:27:22.680,0:27:25.060
comes through the mind or the senses,

0:27:25.060,0:27:30.140
nothing of there can be fundamental to me.[br]All of it is changing.

0:27:30.140,0:27:36.390
And even myself as the person [br]who is looking and knowing this,

0:27:36.390,0:27:40.533
it's like on the verge of this way - world.

0:27:40.533,0:27:43.520
This way - into the abyss of the Self.

0:27:43.520,0:27:46.310
Because it has a capacity that when it looks

0:27:46.310,0:27:51.980
and is not identified with what it sees [br]or what its experience is,

0:27:51.980,0:27:55.810
each thing comes, like life is saying,[br]'This thing and this thing.'

0:27:55.810,0:28:00.380
And it's saying, 'No, it's not this.[br]It's not this. What I am is not this.'

0:28:00.380,0:28:07.510
As you keep doing that, it naturally [br]comes back to its original Self-awareness.

0:28:07.510,0:28:10.399
And I say, Self-awareness, [br]non-dual Self-awareness,

0:28:10.399,0:28:14.150
like not one thing, not a divided union,

0:28:14.150,0:28:17.900
but a harmony comes back into realising,

0:28:17.900,0:28:22.030
'But here nothing is happening to me.'

0:28:22.030,0:28:25.008
When I go into the mind, into identity,

0:28:25.008,0:28:27.560
then happenings becomes relevant.

0:28:27.560,0:28:33.100
But if I even can observe [br]and be aware of even my person,

0:28:33.100,0:28:37.890
which is like my person is like the...

0:28:37.890,0:28:43.300
What you call this?[br]The binoculars that sees the world,

0:28:43.300,0:28:45.490
but the person who sees the world

0:28:45.490,0:28:48.070
is also seen from the place of the Self.

0:28:48.070,0:28:54.250
When it knows this, it's coming back into[br]conscious harmony.

0:28:54.250,0:28:56.860
That's all the thing of detachment is.

0:28:56.860,0:29:00.990
You don't have to kill anything.[br]It's just understanding.

0:29:00.990,0:29:05.170
The realisation of the Self [br]is a journey of understanding,

0:29:05.170,0:29:07.790
and understanding your misunderstanding.

0:29:07.790,0:29:10.619
So it's simple. Unless we get it,[br]it might seem,

0:29:10.619,0:29:14.420
'It's the most complex thing.' Why? [br]Because you're not used to doing it.

0:29:14.420,0:29:18.740
You're looking—each one is [br]used to looking forward, looking outward.

0:29:18.740,0:29:22.430
Even sometimes when you think [br]we're looking inward into our mind,

0:29:22.430,0:29:25.391
it's still outward from the inner Self.

0:29:25.391,0:29:28.190
Q1: Yeah, and this happens a lot,

0:29:28.190,0:29:33.150
because I go in, in and then it's the body.

0:29:33.150,0:29:36.320
I cannot go beyond.[br]M: You're in the body-mind.

0:29:36.320,0:29:40.040
But something behind that knows this thing.

0:29:40.040,0:29:44.610
The mind cannot make an ultimate realisation

0:29:44.610,0:29:48.410
without becoming the realisation.

0:29:48.410,0:29:53.860
The mind or the person [br]cannot come to ultimate realisation

0:29:53.860,0:29:57.340
and remain independent of that realisation.

0:29:57.340,0:30:04.710
The more it becomes aware, [br]the more it finds it is. Not that it has.

0:30:04.710,0:30:08.560
And this is very significant thing.

0:30:08.560,0:30:13.840
Nobody can <i>have the realisation</i>[br]and be somebody who has realisation.

0:30:13.840,0:30:17.060
What it means is that, the idea of yourself

0:30:17.060,0:30:21.280
as being only the person,[br]subsides again, and is seen,

0:30:21.280,0:30:26.450
it is seen as also the most subtle object.

0:30:26.450,0:30:31.280
This subtle object of a person [br]is behaving like a subject,

0:30:31.280,0:30:34.260
and that everything in its world is the object.

0:30:34.260,0:30:38.370
But to the Self, it also is the <i>first object.</i>

0:30:38.370,0:30:44.830
The first object shines as this feeling 'I',[br]'I am here'.

0:30:44.830,0:30:48.800
You know, 'Mia!' 'Yeah, I'm here.'[br]What it means, 'I am here'?

0:30:48.800,0:30:53.190
The reference normally is, 'Look, I'm over here.

0:30:53.190,0:30:56.520
And this is okay, this is normal, [br]this is the only place

0:30:56.520,0:30:59.090
where language can exist, in that way.

0:30:59.090,0:31:01.920
The language is for the sense of the person

0:31:01.920,0:31:07.020
having relationship with what it likes or dislike.

0:31:07.020,0:31:10.000
Actually, there's nothing wrong [br]with this, ultimately.

0:31:10.000,0:31:12.720
Because even as you wake up[br]again to realise that,

0:31:12.720,0:31:16.340
whatever happens, it's seen from this place.

0:31:16.340,0:31:18.740
But this place cannot be seen,

0:31:18.740,0:31:23.860
and that I can only really be this place.

0:31:23.860,0:31:27.875
Then when you really know this,[br]the dynamic expression of this,

0:31:27.875,0:31:31.359
which is like of being a person,[br]that can still play,

0:31:31.359,0:31:34.820
but it won't have that delusion in it.

0:31:34.820,0:31:38.750
Q1: Yes. This delusion has to go.

0:31:38.750,0:31:41.831
M: No, it needs to be understood.[br]Q1: Yeah.

0:31:41.831,0:31:44.690
M: It doesn't go. Why it needs to go?

0:31:44.690,0:31:47.813
Because you are combining it with your identity

0:31:47.813,0:31:50.320
and it hurts like, 'No, no, no, no.'

0:31:50.320,0:31:53.440
But all this now, [br]you're going to see all of this

0:31:53.440,0:31:56.180
are constructs of the mind.

0:31:56.180,0:32:00.236
And the self is just a psychological portrait

0:32:00.236,0:32:03.290
of the mind, of the person.

0:32:03.290,0:32:07.750
But the inner being, which has no shape,[br]you can't identify and say,

0:32:07.750,0:32:11.000
'Ah I found the inner being.' [br]You cannot do that.

0:32:11.000,0:32:16.090
Because anything you can do that with,[br]is an object in the perception.

0:32:17.910,0:32:20.090
M: You got it, isn't it?[br]Q1: Yes.

0:32:20.090,0:32:24.690
M: Okay. So okay, so prove your problem.[br]Go on.

0:32:41.850,0:32:45.810
You see, you will need to sit with this,[br]more and more.

0:32:45.810,0:32:49.530
Because it's like shape shifting.[br]One minute you think you're looking

0:32:49.530,0:32:55.130
and the next minute you're involved, invested.

0:32:55.130,0:33:02.340
Don't get angry about this,[br]because it's been happening for lifetimes.

0:33:02.340,0:33:04.610
So, let it happen, it's okay.

0:33:04.610,0:33:08.230
Just keep seeing, but wait a minute, [br]this can be seen also.

0:33:08.230,0:33:13.920
The most intimate [br]is also an object of perception.

0:33:13.920,0:33:18.360
The most intimate, [br]because 'intimate' means at least two.

0:33:18.360,0:33:22.280
If there's not two, there is no intimate.

0:33:28.187,0:33:34.050
Can you be confused, <i>'you'</i>, [br]in the light of what I'm sharing?

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Q1: No, no.[br]M: Thank you.

0:33:36.830,0:33:39.980
But you can be aware of confusion.[br]Q1: Yeah.

0:33:39.980,0:33:44.450
M: If you can be aware of confusion [br]without identifying with confusion,

0:33:44.450,0:33:47.430
are you cheating?

0:33:47.430,0:33:50.280
Q1: No, no. [laughs]

0:33:52.389,0:33:54.899
M: Very good.

0:33:56.850,0:34:01.550
So let's start again from the beginning.[br]What's your problem?

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Q1: That when I do this exercise,[br]I believe I need to find something.

0:34:16.350,0:34:20.803
M: 'I' being what? Qualify your status here.

0:34:20.803,0:34:22.800
Q1: The person.

0:34:22.800,0:34:26.020
M: When the person do the exercise?[br]Q1: Yeah.

0:34:26.020,0:34:31.310
M: There's another word for person [br]in this exercise,

0:34:31.310,0:34:34.100
I would call it,

0:34:34.100,0:34:42.830
when the personalised intelligence of the truth,

0:34:42.830,0:34:48.030
when the personal intelligence of God

0:34:48.030,0:34:54.750
gets confused with its projections,[br]then it's like it's lost to itself.

0:34:54.750,0:34:57.040
It's like it's lost to itself.

0:34:57.040,0:35:01.910
When that loss to itself becomes painful,

0:35:01.910,0:35:07.500
you're on the brink of awakening.[br]You understand?

0:35:07.500,0:35:12.000
Because if you're not troubled by it,[br]then you will not go beyond it.

0:35:12.000,0:35:17.140
Q1: When it's just pain, pain, pain. [laughs]

0:35:17.140,0:35:22.360
M: 'No pain, no gain,' they say.[br]You have to...

0:35:22.360,0:35:27.950
It's like, in a way, [br]you're giving birth to yourself.

0:35:27.950,0:35:35.470
Q1: Because I sit and I do,[br]but I feel like there is no result.

0:35:35.470,0:35:39.480
M: You, again, who is sitting and looking, is what?

0:35:39.480,0:35:42.670
Q1: The person. [br][laughter]

0:35:44.970,0:35:47.808
M: Does it matter that [br]we are catching it like that?

0:35:47.808,0:35:49.910
That it's the person doing it,

0:35:49.910,0:35:54.250
and that what the person cries about today,[br]laughs about another moment,

0:35:54.250,0:35:56.810
that it's not consistent.

0:35:56.810,0:36:01.030
And even if it says, 'Eureka, I found the Self!'[br]Can it be true?

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Q1: No.[br]M: Why not?

0:36:03.460,0:36:06.010
Q1: Because it cannot be seen.

0:36:06.010,0:36:10.238
Q1: And if it lends to some illusion of...

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M: So then what's the practice for?

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Q1: To become aware of all this—

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wrong ideas.[br]M: Yeah, that's one way we can put it.

0:36:34.100,0:36:36.880
Tell me another way we can put it. [br]That's good.

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I take that, to become aware [br]of all these kind of little—

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all these little kind of distortions [br]of understanding,

0:36:46.720,0:36:50.950
to become aware of them.[br]More subtle than that.

0:36:50.950,0:36:56.710
By becoming aware of them,[br]you become aware of what?

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Q1: Of that which is seeing.[br]M: Is seeing, yeah.

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How can you become...[br]be aware of it phenomenally?

0:37:07.070,0:37:09.860
Can you become aware of it phenomenally?

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Q1: No.[br]M: No.

0:37:11.940,0:37:15.390
So therefore, you become aware of what?

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Q1: It feels like it's just the moments[br]of this awareness.

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M: Yeah. It will flicker before, [br]because you're not used to it.

0:37:25.152,0:37:27.894
The reflex is used to going out and connecting

0:37:27.894,0:37:31.280
with objects of projections [br]and perception, used to that.

0:37:31.280,0:37:35.160
But now I'm asking you to... [br]All this is happening for everyone.

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And even the one who says,[br]'But this is happening to me,

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and I find it frustrating!'[br]With where I'm asking you to do,

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is to see that that also [br]is an aspect of the mind.

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But all of these aspects, they came originally

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from out of this projection forward.[br]Can you see?

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Q1: Yeah.[br]M: Yeah.

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And that the real opportunity [br]is in seeing this.

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But still something is feeling,[br]'No, but mind is still troubling.

0:38:10.130,0:38:15.530
Mind is still troubling.'[br]No, don't worry. It's troubling who?

0:38:15.530,0:38:20.130
Who is the mind troubling?

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We can say together after three. One, two, three.[br]Q1: No one.

0:38:23.836,0:38:27.350
M: The person. Oh, no one![br]Oh, you beat me to it!

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It's troubling no one![br]It's troubling <i>no one.</i>

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That's a better answer than the person.[br][Questioner laughs]

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M: You see this?[br]Q1: Yeah.

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M: Okay.

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So now what?

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It's enough or not enough?

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Q1: I don't know.

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M: Who is saying? Who is...[br]Where this answer is coming from?

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I can accept it, or I can question it,[br]'I don't know.'

0:39:10.530,0:39:15.080
'I'-who don't know?

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Q1: It's the person.[br]M: It's the person.

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Q1: Yeah.[br]M: Yeah, sure?

0:39:19.770,0:39:23.307
Q1: No. [laughs][br]M: It can be from the person.

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If you say it's from the person, okay,

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then I would say, You give me one more move.

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But what's aware that it's coming from the person?

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Q1: Yes. Something feels like it's not satisfied,

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but I should not go after.

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M: Yes. This is a powerful seeing,

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'Something feels not satisfied.'

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That which feels not satisfied,[br]it's personal or impersonal?

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Q1: It's personal.[br]M: Personal.

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You see, if that gets you each time,[br]like the person goes,

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'Yeah, I know, Guruji, [br]but, you know, can't get... ' Who's speaking?

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Q1: Person.[br]M: Yeah.

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So we will finish on that note?

0:40:15.260,0:40:21.740
Q1: Uh, person? No. [laughs][br]M: Thank you. Okay. Where?

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What does finish mean?

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Q1: Just this conversation.[br]Finish the conversation.

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M: The conversation can finish [br]in its oral manifestation.

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It may go to be some kind of little stuff

0:40:46.610,0:40:49.820
in the mind that feels like,[br]'Yeah, I don't know.

0:40:49.820,0:40:53.060
I had a talk with Mooji,[br]and it was really clear,

0:40:53.060,0:40:56.050
but now it's not clear.' Is report from?

0:40:56.050,0:40:58.360
Q1: The mind.[br]M: From the mind.

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And it is that ultimate?[br]Q1: No.

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M: No. What is ultimate?

0:41:06.300,0:41:09.570
Q1: That which is aware of this.

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M: Yes, yes.

0:41:12.280,0:41:15.810
M: Which is where?

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Q1: It's nowhere.

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M: Why are you smiling? [br][Questioner laughs]

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So, you have a problem?

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Q1: No. [br][Laughter]

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Can you, from this place of answering,[br]ever have a problem?

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Q1: No. No.

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M: Are you sad or happy about this?

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Q1: Nothing.[br]M: Very good.

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More subtle than even happy.

0:42:13.440,0:42:17.039
Yeah. We're good?

0:42:19.620,0:42:22.720
If you go walking [br]and the mind comes again and says,

0:42:22.720,0:42:26.710
'I can't remember anything about that.

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I'm going to try and see if I can [br]get that mood back.' Was it a mood?

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Q1: No.[br]M: It's not a mood. [laughter]

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Can you lose this?

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Q1: No.[br]M: No.

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Can you possess this?[br]Q1: No.

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M: Very good.

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I'm happy. Very good.

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So, the rest I don't have to read, no?

0:43:02.670,0:43:06.868
[Reads letter] 'I don't know how to [br]be aware that I am aware.

0:43:06.868,0:43:08.960
[Questioner laughs]

0:43:08.960,0:43:14.830
I still see this 'I'-identity as real.[br]Please help, Mia.'

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Do we need?[br]Q1: No.

0:43:16.970,0:43:21.830
M: Very good. Can I keep it?[br]Q1: Yes. I mean, throw it.

0:43:21.830,0:43:25.309
M: Throw it, keep it.[br]I'm happy you're like this. It's good.

0:43:25.309,0:43:31.550
Q1: You don't need to keep it.[br]M: Because this, [touches letter]

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I call it an auspicious reaching out [br]to clarify something.

0:43:37.319,0:43:42.201
And to that extent, it's very...

0:43:42.201,0:43:44.760
I mean, it's not a game.

0:43:44.760,0:43:50.719
We can say it is like a game,[br]but it's not a cynical game.

0:43:50.719,0:43:57.249
It's, you may say, a game or a play or

0:43:57.249,0:44:02.250
something that needs to happen

0:44:02.250,0:44:06.460
to the human expression of consciousness,

0:44:06.460,0:44:11.230
when it comes to a stage where [br]its world is not working.

0:44:11.230,0:44:14.170
And I don't see that as a disaster.

0:44:14.170,0:44:18.070
I see it as opportunity [br]to look behind the scene.

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Q1: Yes, yes. I want to take [br]every opportunity to look.

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M: Okay. Now? Right now?

0:44:27.010,0:44:30.860
Q1: Always, yeah, now.[br]M: Yeah. Okay.

0:44:30.860,0:44:33.790
Do you need to look further now?

0:44:33.790,0:44:36.755
Q1: I can do, yeah.[br]M: Yeah.

0:44:36.755,0:44:40.390
M: Yeah. Good.[br]Q1: Yeah, yeah. [laughs]

0:44:40.390,0:44:44.529
M: Thank you. Very good.

0:44:47.590,0:44:50.326
And you don't need to talk [br]to anybody about it.

0:44:50.326,0:44:53.636
Just you sit with that, and watch.

0:44:53.636,0:45:00.720
And however tricky the mind can be,[br]you remember, it is secondary.

0:45:00.720,0:45:04.030
That which is primary, is seeing that.

0:45:04.030,0:45:08.020
And the mind can come in the form [br]of thought or moods or sensation,

0:45:08.020,0:45:10.780
it can appear like confusion,

0:45:10.780,0:45:16.320
it appears as identity, [br]but it's still only appearing.

0:45:16.320,0:45:21.610
Can the Self appear? No.

0:45:21.610,0:45:26.589
So it causes the appearing [br]of the mind play and the diversity.

0:45:26.589,0:45:32.090
But it itself is indescribable actually.

0:45:34.440,0:45:38.230
So at this point I would say, [br]sit and contemplate that.

0:45:38.230,0:45:41.360
Yeah. That's all you have to do.

0:45:41.360,0:45:47.320
You see, it sounds as though from what[br]you write, somebody might think,

0:45:47.320,0:45:51.010
'Wow, I feel she's in real trouble.'[br]But for me, I think, what a opportunity,

0:45:51.010,0:45:53.730
I got to find out from you,[br]we can look together.

0:45:53.730,0:45:57.820
And it's all in you. It's all you.

0:46:02.110,0:46:04.174
Very good.

0:46:05.404,0:46:08.664
Would you like some tea or something?[br]Did you get something or are you okay?

0:46:08.664,0:46:12.730
Q1: I think I have some food waiting for me.[br]M: Go and eat the food now, it's cold.

0:46:12.730,0:46:16.150
That's the only food [br]that's worth eating cold right now.

0:46:16.150,0:46:18.414
Q1: It's...

0:46:18.414,0:46:23.960
M: Thank you. Wonderful, darling.[br]Thank you, thank you, thank you,

0:46:23.960,0:46:28.360
Q1: Thank you so much.[br]M: Yes. See you in a bit.

0:46:28.360,0:46:32.400
Okay. Okay. [br]Q1: Thank you.

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M: If you are earnest, then you must do.

0:46:40.020,0:46:42.520
You can walk the same road.

0:46:42.520,0:46:45.749
It's fresh every time.