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For argument's sake

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    My name is Dan Cohen
    and I am an academic, as he said.
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    And what that means is that I argue.
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    It's an important part of my life.
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    And I like to argue.
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    And I'm not just an academic,
    I'm a philosopher,
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    so I like to think that I'm actually
    pretty good at arguing.
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    But I also like to think
    a lot about arguing.
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    And in thinking about arguing,
    I've come across some puzzles.
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    And one of the puzzles is that,
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    as I've been thinking
    about arguing over the years --
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    and it's been decades now --
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    I've gotten better at arguing.
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    But the more that I argue
    and the better I get at arguing,
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    the more that I lose.
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    And that's a puzzle.
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    And the other puzzle
    is that I'm actually okay with that.
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    Why is it that I'm okay with losing
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    and why is it that I think good arguers
    are actually better at losing?
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    Well, there are some other puzzles.
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    One is: why do we argue?
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    Who benefits from arguments?
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    When I think about arguments,
    I'm talking about --
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    let's call them academic arguments
    or cognitive arguments --
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    where something cognitive is at stake:
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    Is this proposition true?
    Is this theory a good theory?
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    Is this a viable interpretation
    of the data or the text? And so on.
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    I'm not interested really in arguments
    about whose turn it is to do the dishes
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    or who has to take out the garbage.
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    Yeah, we have those arguments, too.
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    I tend to win those arguments,
    because I know the tricks.
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    But those aren't the important arguments.
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    I'm interested in academic arguments,
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    and here are the things that puzzle me.
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    First, what do good arguers win
    when they win an argument?
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    What do I win if I convince you
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    that utilitarianism isn't really
    the right framework
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    for thinking about ethical theories?
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    What do we win when we win an argument?
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    Even before that,
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    what does it matter to me
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    whether you have this idea
    that Kant's theory works
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    or Mill is the right ethicist to follow?
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    It's no skin off my back
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    whether you think functionalism
    is a viable theory of mind.
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    So why do we even try to argue?
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    Why do we try to convince other people
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    to believe things
    they don't want to believe,
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    and is that even a nice thing to do?
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    Is that a nice way to treat
    another human being,
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    try and make them think something
    they don't want to think?
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    Well, my answer is going to make reference
    to three models for arguments.
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    The first model -- let's call it
    the dialectical model --
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    is we think of arguments as war;
    you know what that's like --
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    a lot of screaming and shouting
    and winning and losing.
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    That's not a very helpful
    model for arguing,
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    but it's a pretty common
    and entrenched model for arguing.
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    But there's a second model for arguing:
    arguments as proofs.
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    Think of a mathematician's argument.
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    Here's my argument.
    Does it work? Is it any good?
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    Are the premises warranted?
    Are the inferences valid?
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    Does the conclusion follow
    from the premises?
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    No opposition, no adversariality --
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    not necessarily any arguing
    in the adversarial sense.
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    But there's a third model to keep in mind
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    that I think is going to be very helpful,
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    and that is arguments as performances,
    arguments in front of an audience.
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    We can think of a politician
    trying to present a position,
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    trying to convince
    the audience of something.
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    But there's another twist on this model
    that I really think is important;
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    namely, that when we argue
    before an audience,
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    sometimes the audience has
    a more participatory role in the argument;
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    that is, arguments are also
    [performances] in front of juries,
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    who make a judgment and decide the case.
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    Let's call this the rhetorical model,
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    where you have to tailor your argument
    to the audience at hand.
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    You know, presenting a sound, well-argued,
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    tight argument in English
    before a francophone audience
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    just isn't going to work.
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    So we have these models --
    argument as war, argument as proof
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    and argument as performance.
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    Of those three, the argument as war
    is the dominant one.
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    It dominates how we talk about arguments,
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    it dominates how we think about arguments,
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    and because of that,
    it shapes how we argue,
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    our actual conduct in arguments.
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    Now, when we talk about arguments,
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    we talk in a very militaristic language.
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    We want strong arguments,
    arguments that have a lot of punch,
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    arguments that are right on target.
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    We want to have our defenses up
    and our strategies all in order.
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    We want killer arguments.
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    That's the kind of argument we want.
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    It is the dominant way
    of thinking about arguments.
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    When I'm talking about arguments,
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    that's probably what you thought of,
    the adversarial model.
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    But the war metaphor,
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    the war paradigm or model
    for thinking about arguments,
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    has, I think, deforming effects
    on how we argue.
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    First, it elevates tactics over substance.
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    You can take a class
    in logic, argumentation.
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    You learn all about the subterfuges
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    that people use to try and win
    arguments -- the false steps.
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    It magnifies the us-versus
    them aspect of it.
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    It makes it adversarial; it's polarizing.
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    And the only foreseeable outcomes
    are triumph -- glorious triumph --
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    or abject, ignominious defeat.
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    I think those are deforming effects,
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    and worst of all, it seems
    to prevent things like negotiation
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    or deliberation or compromise
    or collaboration.
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    Think about that one -- have you
    ever entered an argument thinking,
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    "Let's see if we can hash something out,
    rather than fight it out.
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    What can we work out together?"
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    I think the argument-as-war metaphor
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    inhibits those other kinds
    of resolutions to argumentation.
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    And finally -- this is really
    the worst thing --
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    arguments don't seem to get us
    anywhere; they're dead ends.
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    They are like roundabouts or traffic jams
    or gridlock in conversation.
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    We don't get anywhere.
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    And one more thing.
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    And as an educator, this is the one
    that really bothers me:
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    If argument is war,
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    then there's an implicit equation
    of learning with losing.
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    And let me explain what I mean.
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    Suppose you and I have an argument.
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    You believe a proposition, P, and I don't.
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    And I say, "Well, why do you believe P?"
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    And you give me your reasons.
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    And I object and say,
    "Well, what about ...?"
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    And you answer my objection.
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    And I have a question:
    "Well, what do you mean?
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    How does it apply over here?"
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    And you answer my question.
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    Now, suppose at the end of the day,
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    I've objected, I've questioned,
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    I've raised all sorts of counter
    counter-considerations
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    and in every case you've responded
    to my satisfaction.
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    And so at the end of the day, I say,
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    "You know what? I guess you're right: P."
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    So, I have a new belief.
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    And it's not just any belief;
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    it's well-articulated, examined --
    it's a battle-tested belief.
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    Great cognitive gain.
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    OK, who won that argument?
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    Well, the war metaphor
    seems to force us into saying you won,
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    even though I'm the only one
    who made any cognitive gain.
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    What did you gain, cognitively,
    from convincing me?
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    Sure, you got some pleasure out of it,
    maybe your ego stroked,
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    maybe you get some professional status
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    in the field --
    "This guy's a good arguer."
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    But just from a cognitive point of view,
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    who was the winner?
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    The war metaphor forces us into thinking
    that you're the winner and I lost,
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    even though I gained.
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    And there's something wrong
    with that picture.
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    And that's the picture
    I really want to change if we can.
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    So, how can we find ways
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    to make arguments
    yield something positive?
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    What we need is new
    exit strategies for arguments.
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    But we're not going to have
    new exit strategies for arguments
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    until we have new entry
    approaches to arguments.
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    We need to think
    of new kinds of arguments.
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    In order to do that, well --
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    I don't know how to do that.
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    That's the bad news.
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    The argument-as-war metaphor
    is just ... it's a monster.
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    It's just taken up habitation in our mind,
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    and there's no magic bullet
    that's going to kill it.
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    There's no magic wand
    that's going to make it disappear.
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    I don't have an answer.
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    But I have some suggestions.
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    Here's my suggestion:
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    If we want to think
    of new kinds of arguments,
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    what we need to do
    is think of new kinds of arguers.
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    So try this:
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    Think of all the roles
    that people play in arguments.
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    There's the proponent and the opponent
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    in an adversarial, dialectical argument.
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    There's the audience
    in rhetorical arguments.
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    There's the reasoner
    in arguments as proofs.
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    All these different roles.
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    Now, can you imagine an argument
    in which you are the arguer,
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    but you're also in the audience,
    watching yourself argue?
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    Can you imagine yourself
    watching yourself argue,
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    losing the argument, and yet still,
    at the end of the argument, saying,
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    "Wow, that was a good argument!"
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    Can you do that?
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    I think you can, and I think
    if you can imagine that kind of argument,
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    where the loser says to the winner
    and the audience and the jury can say,
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    "Yeah, that was a good argument,"
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    then you have imagined a good argument.
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    And more than that,
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    I think you've imagined a good arguer,
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    an arguer that's worthy of the kind
    of arguer you should try to be.
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    Now, I lose a lot of arguments.
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    It takes practice to become a good arguer,
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    in the sense of being able to benefit
    from losing, but fortunately,
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    I've had many, many colleagues
    who have been willing to step up
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    and provide that practice for me.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
For argument's sake
Speaker:
Daniel H. Cohen
Description:

Why do we argue? To out-reason our opponents, prove them wrong, and, most of all, to win! ... Right? Philosopher Daniel H. Cohen shows how our most common form of argument -- a war in which one person must win and the other must lose -- misses out on the real benefits of engaging in active disagreement. (Filmed at TEDxColbyCollege.)

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Duration:
09:35
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