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For argument's sake

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    My name is Dan Cohen, and I am academic, as he said.
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    And what that means is that I argue.
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    It's an important part of my life, and I like to argue.
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    And I'm not just an academic, I'm a philosopher,
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    so I like to think that I'm actually pretty good at arguing.
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    But I also like to think a lot about arguing.
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    And thinking about arguing, I've come across some puzzles,
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    and one of the puzzles is that
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    as I've been thinking about arguing over the years,
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    and it's been decades now, I've gotten better at arguing,
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    but the more that I argue and the better I get at arguing,
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    the more that I lose. And that's a puzzle.
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    And the other puzzle is that I'm actually okay with that.
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    Why is it that I'm okay with losing
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    and why is it that I think that good arguers
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    are actually better at losing?
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    Well, there's some other puzzles.
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    One is, why do we argue? Who benefits from arguments?
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    And when I think about arguments now, I'm talking about,
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    let's call them academic arguments or cognitive arguments,
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    where something cognitive is at stake.
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    Is this proposition true? Is this theory a good theory?
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    Is this a viable interpretation of the data or the text?
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    And so on. I'm not interested really in arguments about
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    whose turn it is to to do the dishes or who has to take out the garbage.
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    Yeah, we have those arguments too.
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    I tend to win those arguments, because I know the tricks.
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    But those aren't the important arguments.
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    I'm interested in academic arguments today,
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    and here are the things that puzzle me.
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    First, what do good arguers win when they win an argument?
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    What do I win if I convince you that
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    utilitarianism isn't really the right framework for thinking about ethical theories?
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    So what do we win when we win an argument?
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    Even before that, what does it matter to me
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    whether you have this idea that Kant's theory works
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    or Mill's the right ethicist to follow?
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    It's no skin off my back whether you think
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    functionalism is a viable theory of mind.
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    So why do we even try to argue?
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    Why do we convince other people
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    to believe things that they don't want to believe?
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    And is that even a nice thing to do? Is that a nice way
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    to treat another human being, try and make them
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    think something they don't want to think?
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    Well, my answer is going to make reference to
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    three models for arguments.
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    The first model, let's call this the dialectical model,
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    is that we think of arguments as war, and you know what that's like.
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    There's a lot of screaming and shouting
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    and winning and losing,
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    and that's not really a very helpful model for arguing
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    but it's a pretty common and entrenched model for arguing.
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    But there's a second model for arguing: arguments as proofs.
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    Think of a mathematician's argument.
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    Here's my argument. Does it work? Is it any good?
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    Are the premises warranted? Are the inferences valid?
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    Does the conclusion follow from the premises?
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    No opposition, no adversariality,
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    not necessarily any arguing in the adversarial sense.
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    But there's a third model to keep in mind
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    that I think is going to be very helpful,
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    and that is arguments as performances,
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    arguments as being in front of an audience.
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    We can think of a politician trying to present a position,
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    trying to a convince the audience of something.
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    But there's another twist on this model that I really think is important,
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    namely that when we argue before an audience,
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    sometimes the audience has a more participatory role in the argument,
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    that is, arguments are also audiences in front of juries
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    who make a judgment and decide the case.
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    Let's call this the rhetorical model,
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    where you have to tailor your argument to the audience at hand.
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    You know, presenting a sound, well-argued,
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    tight argument in English before a francophone audience
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    just isn't going to work.
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    So we have these models -- argument as war,
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    argument as proof, and argument as performance.
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    Of those three, the argument as war is the dominant one.
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    It dominates how we talk about arguments,
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    it dominates how we think about arguments,
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    and because of that, it shapes how we argue,
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    our actual conduct in arguments.
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    Now, when we talk about arguments,
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    yeah, we talk in a very militaristic language.
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    We want strong arguments, arguments that have a lot of punch,
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    arguments that are right on target.
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    We want to have our defenses up and our strategies all in order.
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    We want killer arguments.
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    That's the kind of argument we want.
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    It is the dominant way of thinking about arguments.
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    When I'm talking about arguments, that's probably
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    what you thought of, the adversarial model.
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    But the war metaphor, the war paradigm
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    or model for thinking about arguments,
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    has, I think, deforming effects on how we argue.
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    First it elevates tactics over substance.
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    You can take a class in logic, argumentation.
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    You learn all about the subterfuges that people use
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    to try and win arguments, the false steps.
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    It magnifies the us-versus-them aspect of it.
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    It makes it adversarial. It's polarizing.
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    And the only foreseeable outcomes
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    are triumph, glorious triumph, or abject, ignominious defeat.
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    I think those are deforming effects, and worst of all,
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    it seems to prevent things like negotiation
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    or deliberation or compromise
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    or collaboration.
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    Think about that one. Have you ever entered an argument
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    thinking, "Let's see if we can hash something out
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    rather than fight it out. What can we work out together?"
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    And I think the argument-as-war metaphor
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    inhibits those other kinds of resolutions to argumentation.
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    And finally, this is really the worst thing,
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    arguments don't seem to get us anywhere.
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    They're dead ends. They are roundabouts
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    or traffic jams or gridlock in conversation.
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    We don't get anywhere.
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    Oh, and one more thing, and as an educator,
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    this is the one that really bothers me:
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    If argument is war, then there's an implicit equation
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    of learning with losing.
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    And let me explain what I mean.
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    Suppose you and I have an argument.
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    You believe a proposition, P, and I don't.
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    And I say, "Well why do you believe P?"
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    And you give me your reasons.
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    And I object and say, "Well, what about ...?"
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    And you answer my objection.
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    And I have a question: "Well, what do you mean?
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    How does it apply over here?" And you answer my question.
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    Now, suppose at the end of the day,
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    I've objected, I've questioned,
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    I've raised all sorts of counter-considerations,
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    and in every case you've responded to my satisfaction.
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    And so at the end of the day, I say,
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    "You know what? I guess you're right. P."
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    So I have a new belief. And it's not just any belief,
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    but it's a well-articulated, examined,
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    it's a battle-tested belief.
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    Great cognitive game. Okay. Who won that argument?
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    Well, the war metaphor seems to force us into saying
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    you won, even though I'm the only one who made any cognitive gain.
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    What did you gain cognitively from convincing me?
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    Sure, you got some pleasure out of it, maybe your ego stroked,
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    maybe you get some professional status in the field.
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    This guy's a good arguer.
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    But cognitively, now -- just from a cognitive point of view -- who was the winner?
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    The war metaphor forces us into thinking
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    that you're the winner and I lost,
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    even though I gained.
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    And there's something wrong with that picture.
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    And that's the picture I really want to change if we can.
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    So how can we find ways to make arguments
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    yield something positive?
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    What we need is new exit strategies for arguments.
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    But we're not going to have new exit strategies for arguments
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    until we have new entry approaches to arguments.
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    We need to think of new kinds of arguments.
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    In order to do that, well,
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    I don't know how to do that.
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    That's the bad news.
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    The argument-as-war metaphor is just, it's a monster.
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    It's just taken up habitation in our mind,
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    and there's no magic bullet that's going to kill it.
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    There's no magic wand that's going to make it disappear.
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    I don't have an answer.
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    But I have some suggestions,
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    and here's my suggestion.
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    If we want to think of new kinds of arguments,
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    what we need to do is think of new kinds of arguers.
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    So try this.
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    Think of all the roles that people play in arguments.
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    There's the proponent and the opponent
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    in an adversarial, dialectical argument.
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    There's the audience in rhetorical arguments.
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    There's the reasoner in arguments as proofs.
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    All these different roles. Now, can you imagine an argument
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    in which you are the arguer, but you're also in the audience
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    watching yourself argue?
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    Can you imagine yourself watching yourself argue,
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    losing the argument, and yet still, at the end of the argument,
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    say, "Wow, that was a good argument."
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    Can you do that? I think you can.
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    And I think, if you can imagine that kind of argument
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    where the loser says to the winner
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    and the audience and the jury can say,
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    "Yeah, that was a good argument,"
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    then you have imagined a good argument.
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    And more than that, I think you've imagined
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    a good arguer, an arguer that's worthy
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    of the kind of arguer you should try to be.
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    Now, I lose a lot of arguments.
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    It takes practice to become a good arguer
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    in the sense of being able to benefit from losing,
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    but fortunately, I've had many, many colleagues
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    who have been willing to step up and provide that practice for me.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
For argument's sake
Speaker:
Daniel H. Cohen
Description:

Why do we argue? To out-reason our opponents, prove them wrong, and, most of all, to win! ... Right? Philosopher Daniel H. Cohen shows how our most common form of argument -- a war in which one person must win and the other must lose -- misses out on the real benefits of engaging in active disagreement. (Filmed at TEDxColbyCollege.)

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Video Language:
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Team:
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Project:
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Duration:
09:35
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