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In 1981, there was a military operation on the north of the province of Moraz\'e1n.
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That was like a realist phone call, and the military wanted to move them away from there. So, after a few encounters, the
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guerrillas left the area, together with a lot of civilians, and the army entered into the hamlet of El Mozote. So, there were a
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lot of the population who had actually gathered. They separated women, children, and men into three different
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groups. They reportedly killed all of them, burned their houses, burned their
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crops, killed their animals, and repeated exactly the same procedures on five nearby
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hamlets. The total number of the massacre victims is between 800 and 1,000 people. And unlike other massacres, this one was
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documented at the time by the international press, by the New York Times and The Washington Post, which also
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published photographs of the remains of the victims at the time\'97 a few weeks after the massacre. But the Salvadoran
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government and the U.S. government, who were strongly involved in supporting the Salvadoran government during the civil war, both denied the existence of the
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massacre and claimed there was no evidence to support it. The massacre was not investigated until almost the end of the
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war.
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In 1981, we were called by the legal office of the Catholic Church in El
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Salvador to help with the legal work on the forensic side of the investigation of the massacre of El Mozote. So, the
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preliminary investigation was particularly long because the people were buried in many different mass
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graves all along these valleys and hills. So, one of the first things that we did was walk with the witnesses through all
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of this area, trying to map and locate each of these graves.
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Established according to that, who was buried there? He's Larry Atlandis.
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Our first goal is to apply forensic sciences into the investigation of human rights cases. Second, to bring all this evidence
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into court so that physical evidence will accompany testimonial and documentary
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evidence as well. We also want to assist the families of the victims in the right
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to recover the remains of their loved ones so they can carry out the customary funeral rites and mourn their death.
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Training is very important also for us, so we gave training on forensic sciences and criminal investigations, not only to
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forensic experts but also to judges, lawyers, and human rights organizations involved in the process of investigating
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human rights cases. Finally, we hope to provide evidence that will serve for the historical reconstruction of these
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events so that governments or parties involved in them, that often want to destroy them or hide them, can no longer
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do that.
EF was formed in 1984 when democracy
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returned to Argentina, and we needed to incorporate the methods from traditional
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physical anthropology and archaeology to recover the pasado.
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Workplace and personas in 1500, Sofia PLC in tomorrow's syndication, Kimura, and
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cemented in the third place. There was no
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experience in Argentina, as well as in many other countries, of having to deal with a massive number of exhumations of
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skeletal remains, which is a different thing than when you are assuming a complete body. It's a very quite simple
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procedure in which you just lift the body and take it back to the laboratory. But those first exhumations were done in a
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Very... unmethodological way, using bulldozers or keepers from the cemetery to recover the remains. When you're
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exhuming skeletal remains, you have more than 200 bones to pick up from the grave, and absolutely, evidence such as
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ballistic evidence and so on, that could be quite important in terms of determining the cause of death. And for
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that, you need to recover it in a different way. And that's when archaeology comes in. In Argentina, we
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have this problem that is quite common in Latin America and in other places, which
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is that the forensic people often are part of the police or the judiciary. So,
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when you're analyzing cases within the police or the judicial system, it's questioned by its actions during the
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time in which they should have investigated this properly. There is a conflict of interest there.
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This is why a new alternative, a new group of people, needed to be involved to
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work on these kinds of cases. As democracy was moving on in the region, we worked almost
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in all Latin American countries. We also started working in Africa a few years ago, and we work there in six or seven
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countries right now, in some countries in Asia, and a few countries in Eastern Europe, mostly in the Balkan region. The
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work that we do is normally divided into three different steps: the preliminary investigation, the archaeological section, and the
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In 1981, we were not allowed to work in El Mozote. We were told by the judge and
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by the Supreme Court that we needed to wait until the civil war was over. Finally, in '92, we did one side there that
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was part of the United Nations Truth Commission report that came in March '93. Immediately after that, there was an
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amnesty law that blocked all kinds of investigation, including excavations. It was only seven years later, in the
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year 2000, that we were allowed to come back to continue with the exhumations in El Mozote, so that the families could recover
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the remains of their loved ones.
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Think a massacre had happened at the beginning of the war. The people will tell us what they never thought women
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and children would be touched. So, when they knew the military operation was coming, the men left here because they thought
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the army was going to go after that. So, during the night, when the army withdrew to their base, the men would come out of
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The places where they were hiding, and they would bury their families wherever they found them. So, here we are,
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interviewing mostly husbands that have lost their entire families, and the victims of the massacre, mostly women,
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older people, or children. And the number of victims per family was something
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that was completely incredible. When we were interviewing the relatives of the victims, we reached the point where we
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would ask them, "How many members of your family did you lose?" Coming from Argentina,
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the answer would normally be one or two. Here, people were telling us ten, twelve,
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sixteen members of my family. And I remember asking them, "No, wait, I mean direct members of your family?" And they
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would repeat, "Ten, twelve, sixteen. My wife, my six children, my sister, her children, my father, my
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mother," and so on. This was completely new for us, and we were completely shocked by
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it.
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Yeah, I've always worked at the request of an organization. It could be a local human rights organization, or an
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international one, such as Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch. It could be a local judiciary who will call us to
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work, or an international tribunal, such as ICTY in La Hague, permission to\'97
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exhumations from a legal standpoint. In most of the countries where we work, it
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is strictly a condition survey by a judge, or sometimes by a truth commission that
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has their capacity. Now, a half also has this rule that it's not to do with the
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law, but it has to do with our principle, in which, if the families don't want us
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to intervene, we just don't work on those cases. At the start of the investigation,
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we conduct extensive interviews with the families, in which, among other things, we explain them the different steps of the
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work that we do. But we go over that again when we are actually about to start the exhumation.
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We're treating a grave as if it
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is a crime scene, so everything that its theory can eventually, or potentially, be
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something that can help you to understand what happened and how it happened.
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So that's why you have to work very, very slowly in order to find everything that
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it's there. Don't move it. Record it. Measuring each of the findings, unannounced. Coat on this: 206 pounds and
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32 teeth, and you don't want to miss any of them. You have to recover them properly. Often in these cases,
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the skull has been fractured, normally by a gunshot wound to the head. So, there are many pieces of our skull that
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you have to recover to reconstruct it later in the laboratory. The two sometimes fall out of the socket and
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They are around. There might be bullets also around that you need to recover, so
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we also use metal detectors. We also screen all the soil that is immediately above, at the same level, and underneath
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the main back of evidence. In the case of
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ammo, I'll pull up the convent, a very small room where we found 140 bodies, mostly skeletons of our
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children, with the witness saying where the bodies were left. There, then the house was set on fire, and the first
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thing that collapsed was the roof over the bodies. And then, a few days after, because the smell was too strong, the
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soldiers that were stealing the plates dumped part of the adobe walls above their remains of the roof, and that's
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exactly how we found Robert Eaton Daryl.
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The first thing is you give a code, you give a number to that skeleton. That will remain with that
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skeleton until you can put a name to it, until you can identify, basically, those remains. And you take a number of
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measurements so that you have it located properly within the working area. You look at the clothing, you try to see if
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there\'92s something inside pockets or something, so that you won\'92t miss it. That, for example, sometimes you may find personal effects and then be very
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important to identify the person, or coins that are very important to date an event.
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I think the work is important for
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the families of the victims because when someone disappeared from your family, what the families always told us is they
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cannot rest until they find the remains of their loved ones. First of all, they don't know if that
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person is dead or alive. And even though most families, of course, know that, as the years go by, and they have
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no information that most likely they are dead, but they could not decide this by themselves. They need to either have the
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remains and reburied them properly, and have a grave where they can go, or they have to have some kind of official
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acknowledgement and information about what happened. So, they cannot rest until they have one of the two cells, and
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that's why, when we were able to identify the remains of one disappeared person,
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for us, it's a major event.
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At the laboratories, it's basically two things we try to establish. One is the cause and manner of death, and the other one
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we try to identify the remains. Some of
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the bones, you can determine the age of the individual, when the person died, the sex, the ancestry, the laterality. If there
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was a woman, if she had given birth or not. Sometimes the cause of death, if you'd have affected bones, sometimes you
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can eventually see the presence of in under custody, and you see fractures that are in the process of healing. You may
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sometimes believe that that person had been beaten while still alive, but close to the moment after.
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This in child, I\'92m putting, and I\'92m also saying it\'92s a
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she. The deceased\'92s teeth, small side.
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And the chin is more rounded. So its around 5 years old plus or minus 16 months. I don\'92t know where the posterior part of the skull is
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appear like fire, so it may be completely destroyed by fire.
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I went to Argentina in 1984, at the request of the truth commission there and some local human rights organizations to help on the
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process of exceeding and analyzing human skeletal remains. Clyde trained us in
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these disciplines of forensic anthropology and forensic archaeology, and helped to form our team, as well as
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other teams that later developed in other countries. Might be worth X-raying, although
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kind of think it\'92s fire; can\'92t really be sure.
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We reconstruct, for example, the bones, and that\'92s where we call perimortem fractures. That is to say, fractures that
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occurred around the moment of death. In the case of gunshot wounds, this will help us to locate the entrances and the
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exits of a shot, and that\'92s sometimes very important in terms of manner of
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death. Cause of death is what caused the person to die. For example, that the person has been shot, but the manner is
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how that happened. Was this an accident, a mass suicide, or was this a homicide? By locating the entrance of a gunshot
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wound, sometimes that can provide us information in terms of manner of death. If the entrance of a gunshot wound is
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in the back of the head, that\'92s very unlikely to be an accident or suicide. It\'92s much more likely that that is a
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homicide.
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One major challenge for next year is to improve the amount of identifications. In most countries in which this massive
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human rights problem occurred, most bodies are still not identified, and for that, we need to improve access to DNA
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analysis. DNA has made an enormous revolution in our field, allowing us to
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have many more identifications. However, it\'92s still very expensive when DNA needs
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to be extracted from bones of skeletal remains. It is a complex process, more complex than when it\'92s done
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directly from soft tissue, and not all the laboratories are equipped. So basically, we\'92re
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still relying now on the help of some very nice laboratories that donate their work to do this, but it can, of course,
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accommodate only a very limited number of cases. So, a major technical thing would be
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using new technology that, for example, is being developed now to identify the victims of the World Trade Center. We\'92re
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hoping that all those new tools are going to be transported into the human rights field. 29:31
Unfortunately, in human rights in general, there are very few cases in which the perpetrators are brought to trial. And so that our
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evidence, accompanied by the witness testimony, will be used. In Argentina, it wasn\'92t used.
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On the trials against the home team members, that happened in 1985 when we
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were part of the teams working in the Balkans from the International War Crimes Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia. That
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evidence is being currently used, and more recently now, evidence has been used in the trials against the Derg
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regime members in Ethiopia as a witness.
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Mr. Clyde Snow has been called as a witness In the proceedings against the three first Quinta\'92s professor. All processes
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organization national as a witness for the prosecution. The bones of the skull
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as we found them, were being very fragmented, along with the fragments we also found seven
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pellets from shotgun badly deformed, but of a size consistent
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with the load of double-aught buckshot used in shotguns such as the Otago, which
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is used as a standard police and army security
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weapon in Argentina. Because of a very fragmentary condition
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of the skull, we had to reconstruct it in order to study the patterns of injuries.
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We concluded that the range at which this shot was fired was in the general
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range of around one meter, or perhaps a little less than a meter. When we exhumed
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this skeleton, we did not encounter the small bones of a human infant inside the
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pelvic or bones of the mother. On the other hand, we did see in the pubic
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bones, a group known as the preauricular sulcus, which indicates that
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the individual has given birth to a term
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or near-term infant. Putting all this information together, we were able to
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identify the individual as Liliana Carmen Barea, who disappeared on her way
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home from work on the 5th of October in 1977.
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Some families want to see the remains, and we are always open to that. And if they want us to explain to them also how we
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identify that person, why we decide that those remains correspond to that person, we also do that. Not amazing moment for
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them, not easy for us too, because you see them suffering. You see how they have these completely mixed feelings about, in
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one way, finally they have an answer, but the answer is sad: their relative is dead, obviously. And that is the end of
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finding him or her alive. And what is it that you\'92re actually showing them? You\'92re showing them the skeletal remains of
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their relative. We\'92ll often\'97 the skull is fractured and broken, other bones as well.
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Is showing them bullets, pieces of clothing, or personal effects, if any.
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If we can imagine seeing your father, your mother, your child\'92s skeleton in that way, I
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think that\'92s one of the most difficult and impossible things to watch and to
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understand.
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The consequences of the work of us? Well, first of all, it is that the families were able to recover the remains of the
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loved ones, and so they reburied them. The second main consequence was that this
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was an extremely controversial case. For years, there was this big battle:
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basically, on one side, the Salvadoran government and the US government saying
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that this was assured, that there was no evidence of a massacre, and then the families of the victims and witnesses
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saying this was a massacre, that these people were just killed, eliminated by the
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Salvadoran army. The evidence that we found in this case and the location of the evidence was crucial, indicating that
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this was a massacre. Not only did we find 141 individuals, of which the majority were children,
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all covered with bullets, with approximately 250 fragments of bullets, but also we found an equal number of
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cartridge cases on the other side of the room, with fragments of bullets in holes inside the floor, and a number
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of other details and elements of evidence that, all put together, strongly indicated that this was a massacre and
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that there was no evidence indicating the possibility of combat.
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The remains that we accumulated, as well as the ones consumed in 2000 and 2001, are most of them put on a
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monument that the community has built in El Mozote, and they have
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dug up a big wave in which they keep on putting the coffins with the remains, as we are assuming them here. But here it
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was a particularly moving ceremony in December 2001 when we went, because not only were the remains reburied, but also
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there was a sense of history and a sense of 20 years of how long it takes and how
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many things need to be done sometimes to uncover the truth, to bring part of that
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truth back to the people that actually have suffered from what happened, and they have witnessed this. When you pass
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and you live through a dictatorship, you need to repair it in a way. A lot of
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things have been completely broken, and even if you're not directly affected, I think that I'm telling the truth and
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bringing that truth to the public knowledge is really important, not only for the families of the victims but also
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for each member of our society that has experienced it. It brings solace, I think,
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to all of us, and I think that all the members of the team feel that very strongly, and that\'92s what sort of kept us
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together all these years and made us also go to another country to do the
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exactly the same work.
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