Econ Duel: Rent or Buy?
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0:11 - 0:15- [Tyler] So Alex, we're economists. Often
people ask me, well what is it that we -
0:15 - 0:19know about investment and investment
advice anyway? Now, we've already talked -
0:19 - 0:23about equities, but as economists do we
have anything else to tell people? -
0:23 - 0:27- [Alex] Let's talk a little bit about
housing, because housing is one of these -
0:27 - 0:30areas where there's a lot of myths
around it. People in America, -
0:30 - 0:35it's part of the American Dream. And one
thing I think people don't realize is that -
0:35 - 0:39over the long run, house prices are
certainly not guaranteed to go up. -
0:39 - 0:43I mean we saw in the financial crisis
that house prices came way down. -
0:43 - 0:47But there's still this kind of idea that
people have in their heads that they're -
0:47 - 0:51not making any more land, so in the
long run house prices have to go up. -
0:51 - 0:55And we know from our understanding of
assets that you should not expect your -
0:55 - 0:57house to be a great financial investment.
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0:57 - 1:02- [Tyler] But isn't there a tax reason to buy a
home? So if I borrow money for a mortgage, -
1:02 - 1:07and I'm paying income tax and itemizing my
deductions, I can write off a lot of that -
1:07 - 1:11mortgage interest and get some of the
money back. And that means it could be -
1:11 - 1:15cheaper or more advantageous to
buy the home because of taxes. -
1:15 - 1:20- [Alex] But don't forget, a lot of that tax
advantage is going to be captured not by -
1:20 - 1:25the buyer, but by the seller. What the tax
advantage means is it pushes up the prices -
1:25 - 1:30of homes. It's already built into a
higher price, so you, as the buyer, -
1:30 - 1:33don't always get that gain.
Often it's the seller. -
1:33 - 1:36- [Tyler] Well, but think of this in
terms of elasticity. Say I live in an area, -
1:36 - 1:42like many parts of Texas or Florida, where
I get this tax break that increases the -
1:42 - 1:46demand for homes, yes. But then suppliers
build more homes and they drive the price -
1:46 - 1:50back down again. And it seems that
in a lot of states actually, -
1:50 - 1:53the buyer should be reaping a lot
of that tax break. Yes, No? -
1:53 - 1:57- [Alex] If only there were more places
in the United States like that, -
1:57 - 2:01I would tend to agree. But one of the big
problems we have in the United States -
2:01 - 2:05today is that the demand for housing goes
up and you're in some place like San -
2:05 - 2:10Francisco, or New York, or Boston where
it's impossible to get permits to build -
2:10 - 2:15more housing. And when the demand goes up,
all that means is the price of the house -
2:15 - 2:19goes up. So all of those gains,
whether it's from the tax system, -
2:19 - 2:24or whether it's from people wanting to
move to San Francisco, all of those gains -
2:24 - 2:28go to the land owners. And that's actually
a big problem we have in the United States today. -
2:28 - 2:33- [Tyler] But I do see a stability reason
to own a home. Say you're 37 years old, -
2:33 - 2:37you have 2 kids in school, you want them
to go to a good high school district. -
2:37 - 2:40You don't want to be told, "You're going
to have to move." You want to arrange your -
2:40 - 2:44backyard the way you see fit. And you
don't want to have to renegotiate a rent -
2:44 - 2:48contract. All of those factors
militate in favor of buying a home. -
2:48 - 2:52- [Alex] So I think you're right for those
people. But one thing you've got to keep -
2:52 - 2:56in mind, is that on average, houses are
not going to be a great financial -
2:56 - 3:03investment. So you have to be exactly one
of those people who wants extra stability, -
3:03 - 3:06more stability than the average person.
That's when you're going to gain from -
3:06 - 3:11buying a house. And, keep in mind, that
when you buy a house and that heating -
3:11 - 3:15system collapses and you've got to
repair that, that's a big problem. -
3:15 - 3:18When you're hit by a lightning strike
and you've got to repair the roof, -
3:18 - 3:23that's a big expense as well. So when
people say, "I'm only worried about the -
3:23 - 3:27rent going up." Well that's fine.
They may be worried about that, -
3:27 - 3:31but don't forget, you've got to be worried
about replacing the roof every 20 years, as well. -
3:31 - 3:35- [Tyler] So it's really a marginal question,
you're saying. Like at the margin, -
3:35 - 3:39do you need the tax break more than
the typical buyer? At the margin, -
3:39 - 3:43do you value the good high school district
more than the typical buyer? -
3:43 - 3:47And at the margin, are you better at
fixing the broken roof or hiring someone -
3:47 - 3:51to do it than the average buyer? And those
things may or may not apply to you, -
3:51 - 3:52but that's the right way
to think about it? -
3:52 - 3:56- [Alex] Exactly right, so if you want that
tax advantage, you've got to be earning more -
3:56 - 4:00income than average. You've got to
be itemizing your deductions. -
4:00 - 4:04If you're not one of those people in the
upper middle class, you're not going to -
4:04 - 4:09get that tax advantage. If you've got one
kid, maybe the school is not so important. -
4:09 - 4:12Maybe you have to have two before you
really get that advantage from the -
4:12 - 4:15schooling. So yeah, you've got to be
thinking about how you're different from -
4:15 - 4:19the average. If you really want to buy a
home, you've got to love buying a home. -
4:19 - 4:24- [Tyler] I think of people as needing to save
more typically. That we're programmed to -
4:24 - 4:29think about the here and now, we're a bit
impatient. Perhaps we haven't evolved to -
4:29 - 4:32think well enough about the more
distant future. If you buy a home, -
4:32 - 4:37pay off your mortgage at the end of 30,
or one hopes 15 years, -
4:37 - 4:40you own something. In the meantime, you're
saving. And you get into a routine that -
4:40 - 4:44doesn't even feel like saving. It's more
savings than if you're writing a rent -
4:44 - 4:49check every month. So maybe it's our own
imperfections. We need to lock ourselves -
4:49 - 4:53into a higher savings regime, and that's
another possible reason to buy a home. -
4:53 - 4:57- [Alex] Yeah, I do think the forth
savings argument has got something to it. -
4:57 - 5:00But there's a big problem, especially
in the United States today, -
5:00 - 5:05and that is there's such an encouragement
to buy houses with no money down, -
5:05 - 5:09even after the financial crisis. If you
really are concerned about savings, -
5:09 - 5:13the key point is to have a 20%
down payment. So save up for that -
5:13 - 5:19down payment. And that is really what is
going to be the forth savings aspect -
5:19 - 5:20of buying the house.
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5:20 - 5:24- [Tyler] You know, I think the biggest piece
of advice I'd give to people is just to be on -
5:24 - 5:28that wealthier side of the equation, so
that owning a home makes sense for you. -
5:28 - 5:32- [Alex] Don't forget our earlier investment
rule. Diversify, diversify, diversify. -
5:32 - 5:36And yet, when it comes to housing,
people are encouraged to put a -
5:36 - 5:41huge amount of their wealth into one
asset, in one place in the country. -
5:41 - 5:45That could be a terrible decision. If
you're in a small town with only one -
5:45 - 5:50employer, and you have a house and that
employer goes bust, well your house price -
5:50 - 5:54is going to fall, you might lose your job,
your income is all going to fall, -
5:54 - 5:57and it's all going to be
happening concentrated, -
5:57 - 5:59all in one place all at one time.
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- Title:
- Econ Duel: Rent or Buy?
- Description:
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Owning a home is a huge part of the American Dream. But is the dream of homeownership really all it’s cracked up to be?
In this new Econ Duel from Marginal Revolution University, Professors Tyler Cowen and Alex Tabarrok weigh in on the issue. Each representing a side of the home ownership debate, the two professors ask what’s smarter—to rent, or to buy?
On the “buy” side, Tyler Cowen shares the tax advantages of buying a home as well as the effect homeownership has on one’s stability and savings regimen. Does buying a home force us into better savings habits?
Against those arguments, we have Alex Tabarrok, coming down on the “rent” side of the equation.
Among other points, he talks about the real beneficiary of tax breaks (hint: It may not be you!). Along with that, Alex tackles the trials and tribulations of home-buying, in places like San Francisco, New York, or Boston, where a combination of scarce building permits and increased demand drive up home prices. Plus, doesn’t owning a home -- and committing a 20% down payment -- break the diversification rule of good investing?
All that said, though, here’s the real question that matters—which side are YOU on? Watch and let us know in the comments!
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- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
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- Project:
- Econ Duel
- Duration:
- 06:17
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