Attaining Enlightenment Through Meditation
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0:04 - 0:14<Attaining Enlightenment
Through Meditation> -
0:14 - 0:18(Questioner) Hi Sunim, thank you
for giving me a chance to ask a question. -
0:18 - 0:22I have a question about meditation
and the study of the Buddhist scriptures. -
0:22 - 0:27I learned that the Buddha attained
a peaceful mind and profound enlightenment -
0:27 - 0:29through meditation.
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0:29 - 0:33I am trying to practice meditation
for the same purpose, -
0:33 - 0:37However, as a beginner
who has yet to follow the path, -
0:37 - 0:44I have doubts about how I can reach
such a deep state of enlightenment -
0:44 - 0:46simply by not thinking.
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0:46 - 0:54Could you explain how meditation leads
to peace of mind and enlightenment? -
0:54 - 1:04(Sunim) All our suffering actually happens
because we think too much. -
1:04 - 1:21So, we need to truly liberate ourselves
from our preconceptions of ethics, -
1:21 - 1:31morality, religious faith, and other
paradigms. These guard our thoughts. -
1:31 - 1:37For example:
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1:37 - 1:52Say a man and a woman who like
each other have become lovers. -
1:52 - 2:03So, in a regular relationship between
two ordinary people, they like each other. -
2:03 - 2:18However, if they are Buddhist clergy
or Catholic clergy, they have been taught -
2:18 - 2:23not to engage
in sexual relationships. -
2:23 - 2:35So, those people
who are trained in that way, -
2:35 - 2:39while they enjoy being with the other
person in a romantic relationship, -
2:39 - 2:42also feel guilt.
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2:42 - 2:59So, that guilt, that negative feeling
they have, is not the result of their -
2:59 - 3:03actually having a romantic relationship
with another person they like. -
3:03 - 3:10It comes down to their own preconceptions
that they shouldn't be doing this. -
3:10 - 3:30So, a lot of the suffering and issues
we experience today actually happen -
3:30 - 3:35because of the contradiction or collision
between what is happening in reality, -
3:35 - 3:40what we experience in reality, and our
preconceptions of how things should be. -
3:40 - 3:56That suffering disappears
when we erase the contradiction -
3:56 - 4:04of choosing to abandon our
preconceptions and accept reality as it is -
4:04 - 4:08or adhere to those preconceptions
and give up what we want in this reality. -
4:08 - 4:26However, we can never solve this problem
as long as we try to adhere -
4:26 - 4:30to our preconceptions
while simultaneously trying to get -
4:30 - 4:34what we want in reality, because
that contradiction will always persist. -
4:34 - 4:38So, another example:
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4:38 - 4:53If there are traditional ethics or morals
that say men and women of certain ages -
4:53 - 4:59can't see each other as romantic partners,
then doing so creates suffering. -
4:59 - 5:11Similarly, if we're taught that divorce is
unacceptable after marriage, -
5:11 - 5:17yet circumstances call for separation
or divorce, -
5:17 - 5:21this contradiction creates
suffering. -
5:21 - 5:29But in the natural course of things,
people come together -
5:29 - 5:31and separate all the time.
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5:31 - 5:39It's all coming together.
It's not the cause of our suffering. -
5:39 - 5:43Separation or divorce is
not the cause of our suffering. -
5:43 - 5:54It's our preconceptions of "what ought to
be" that actually cause our suffering, -
5:54 - 5:58whether it's a first meeting
or a separation. -
5:58 - 6:13If we can just erase "what ought to be,"
then we actually eliminate -
6:13 - 6:20a lot of suffering
from our own internal conflicts. -
6:20 - 6:58For example, when we teach our daughters
that having sex before marriage is a sin, -
6:58 - 7:05and they then engage in premarital sex, it
causes them a lot of internal suffering. -
7:05 - 7:15We don't teach our sons this as much,
so they may engage in premarital sex -
7:15 - 7:17without the same level of guilt.
This is all because -
7:17 - 7:23of the preconceptions
that we instill in our children. -
7:23 - 7:35For example, if you stop thinking
right now, there is no cost to suffer. -
7:35 - 7:43So, that is why the foundational piece
of our meditation is to stop thinking. -
7:43 - 7:51What position you take,
however you breathe, -
7:51 - 7:55all that doesn't really matter.
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7:55 - 8:08Many of you say you meditate,
but you end up quietly thinking. -
8:08 - 8:11That is thinking,
not meditating. -
8:11 - 8:17Thinking good thoughts does not mean
you meditate well. -
8:17 - 8:24Meditation is
a state of absence of thoughts. -
8:24 - 8:32If your thinking stops,
most of your suffering will go away. -
8:32 - 8:40But once you try it,
you will know your thinking does not stop. -
8:40 - 8:52Naturally, your thinking is amplified
by 2, 3, 10 times more. -
8:52 - 9:00So when you are meditating,
your body may be still, -
9:00 - 9:03but you are
always thinking. -
9:03 - 9:15So how do you stop thinking?
Because if you intend to stop thinking, -
9:15 - 9:19that intention itself gets
amplified. -
9:19 - 9:25That is why the old teachers told us
this: -
9:25 - 9:32There's dust
flying all over the room. -
9:32 - 9:37And we don't see it well.
It is almost invisible. -
9:37 - 9:42But if there's a ray of sunlight coming
through the room, -
9:42 - 9:48we suddenly realize
that a lot of dust is floating around. -
9:48 - 10:02And we take a cloth or duster
and try to dust it off. -
10:02 - 10:07We realize
that we are actually creating more dust. -
10:07 - 10:12Then, what do we do?
We just have to let it be. -
10:12 - 10:21As time passes,
most of the dust will gradually settle. -
10:21 - 10:39So basically, what they're saying is
that we constantly live -
10:39 - 10:45in a flux of thoughts and distractions,
but we don't realize it -
10:45 - 10:50because we lack a single ray of light
to actually illuminate them. -
10:50 - 11:07So, the fact that you actually sit down
and start realizing -
11:07 - 11:13how dusty the room in your mind is,
is not a failure in the meditation. -
11:13 - 11:17It's actually a process
of meditating on that recognition. -
11:17 - 11:26It's the same as seeing that single ray
of light illuminating all that dust. -
11:26 - 11:34That first realization
that "I live amidst all this dust, -
11:34 - 11:37in these distracting thoughts".
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11:37 - 11:49Then you start engaging in a kind
of performance-oriented meditation, -
11:49 - 11:52in which you want to do meditation
better and faster. -
11:52 - 11:57Thereby creating more distractions
and letting dust fly even more. -
11:57 - 12:01You have to just
let it be. -
12:01 - 12:08But it doesn't really settle that quickly
because it just flies around. -
12:08 - 12:15That's why the strategy is
to focus your thoughts on one thing. -
12:15 - 12:26The easiest thing to focus your thoughts
on is your breath. -
12:26 - 12:38Basically, it is a strategy
of focusing -
12:38 - 12:43on the inhalation and exhalation
of your breath. -
12:43 - 12:51In Pali, it is called Ānāpāna.
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12:51 - 13:05Another strategy that came up
during Zen Buddhist tradition is a Koan, -
13:05 - 13:08just to focus
on one single thought. -
13:08 - 13:13Or one single question
like "Who am I?". -
13:13 - 13:18Just focus
on that single question. -
13:18 - 13:23You know,
other thoughts will constantly be there. -
13:23 - 13:27You just let them be.
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13:27 - 13:35The only thing you actually focus
on is that single question. -
13:35 - 13:43For example, say you read a book
in the middle of the forest. -
13:43 - 13:47There are birds tweeting.
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13:47 - 13:49You hear a stream.
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13:49 - 13:52And you hear cars down the road.
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13:52 - 13:56So you can't really focus.
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13:56 - 14:00If the cars were not running,
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14:00 - 14:03if the birds stopped tweeting,
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14:03 - 14:07if the stream stopped running;
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14:07 - 14:14then you could actually focus
in a quiet forest, right? -
14:14 - 14:19But you can't stop those things.
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14:19 - 14:28Just because you stop those externalities
doesn't guarantee that you can focus. -
14:28 - 14:55But if you really focus on the book
and get into the substance, -
14:55 - 14:57birds may tweet,
but you don't pay attention; -
14:57 - 15:01cars may run on the road nearby,
but you don't pay attention, -
15:01 - 15:03nor do you pay attention
to the stream beside you -
15:03 - 15:08because you are really focused;
you are in that zone of focus. -
15:08 - 15:18So, meditation is all about the absence
of thoughts, but from a strategic -
15:18 - 15:23perspective, it's all about focusing
on that one single thought. -
15:23 - 15:32Let's say you focus
on the breath in and breath out. -
15:32 - 15:39So, when the breath comes in
to know that the breath is coming in. -
15:39 - 15:47You are not thinking
about the breath coming in. -
15:47 - 16:02This is a kind of sensory experience:
the flow of the air as it actually travels -
16:02 - 16:06over your skin, through your nostrils,
as it enters your lungs. -
16:06 - 16:17And you also feel that kind of tactile
sense of the breath and leaf in your nose. -
16:17 - 16:23This is experiencing,
not thinking. -
16:23 - 16:27You are just experiencing
that breath. -
16:27 - 16:32You might think of your mother
at that time. -
16:32 - 16:42But once you actually get distracted
by the thought of your mother, -
16:42 - 16:45you start thinking,
"Oh, what about the time we went -
16:45 - 16:48on a picnic with my mom?
What about the time -
16:48 - 16:49we had an argument with her?"
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16:49 - 16:54So, you actually create narratives
around those thoughts. -
16:54 - 16:58This becomes a distraction.
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16:58 - 17:06So, you can't really stop the thought
of your mother rising. -
17:06 - 17:12But despite whatever thoughts come to you,
you keep focusing on the breath. -
17:12 - 17:18Basically, do not pay attention
or give energy to that thought. -
17:18 - 17:21And then the thoughts
kind of dissipate. -
17:21 - 17:24Then other thoughts will come.
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17:24 - 17:26You'll think about coffee.
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17:26 - 17:30But nevertheless,
you focus on the breath. -
17:30 - 17:33Then the thought of coffee dissipates.
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17:33 - 17:45So you will have countless thoughts
rise and fall, rise and fall, -
17:45 - 17:48as long as you don't pay attention
to them. -
17:48 - 18:00But once you start actually doing it,
when you think of coffee, -
18:00 - 18:03you kind of follow it
and create a story out of it; -
18:03 - 18:07"What kind of coffee do I want?
With whom do I want this coffee?". -
18:07 - 18:14At that time, you have already lost
that focus on your breath. -
18:14 - 18:20Because your attention can only focus
on one thing at a time. -
18:20 - 18:24If you focus on here,
you lose focus there. -
18:24 - 18:30And if you pay attention there,
you lose attention here. -
18:30 - 18:40Thoughts are just that;
as long as you don't pay attention -
18:40 - 18:44to them, they will just rise and fall,
rise and fall. -
18:44 - 18:57So, when we say we are distracted,
those random thoughts are -
18:57 - 19:01not distractions in themselves.
It really becomes a source of distraction -
19:01 - 19:05when you start creating stories
around those thoughts. -
19:05 - 19:27So, if you keep practicing, the time
you can sustain focus on a single breath -
19:27 - 19:31before getting distracted can increase
to 1 minute, then 5 minutes, -
19:31 - 19:33and then 10 minutes.
It will gradually increase. -
19:33 - 19:46So, the attention span
on that single breath will continue -
19:46 - 19:53to increase,
and you will experience less distraction. -
19:53 - 20:08Then you start actually gaining autonomy.
You are no longer beholden -
20:08 - 20:12to your past memories
or future hopes. -
20:12 - 20:26The reason you get angry, you get sad,
you feel this emotion and that is -
20:26 - 20:30because all these past memories come
haunting you. -
20:30 - 20:46You become fearful, anxious, and nervous
because you are thinking about the future. -
20:46 - 20:56So, if you are not captured
by thoughts of the future, -
20:56 - 20:59then all your anxiety and nervousness
will go away. -
20:59 - 21:11So that is why we teach to be awakened
in the here and now, -
21:11 - 21:13without being captured
by your past memories -
21:13 - 21:17or the future
that has not come yet. -
21:17 - 21:28So even if a thought
about Buddha comes unbidden to you -
21:28 - 21:32while meditating,
that is just another distraction. -
21:32 - 21:42So, just singular focus on that breath;
everything else is a distraction. -
21:42 - 21:56If it's a Zen Koan,
anything that falls outside the scope -
21:56 - 21:59of exploring that question is
a distraction. -
21:59 - 22:10And so, in that state, even what you read
in the scriptures, sutras, -
22:10 - 22:13or even Buddha's own teachings
are just distractions. -
22:13 - 22:22That is why there is a teaching:
if you see a Buddha, -
22:22 - 22:24if you think about the Buddha,
kill the Buddha. -
22:24 - 22:28If you encounter your teacher,
kill the teacher. -
22:28 - 22:37So, we don't really mean to
literally kill them, -
22:37 - 22:41but obviously, we are saying is
to not pay them any mind. -
22:41 - 22:44They are just distractions.
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22:44 - 22:47Sorry for the lengthy response.
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22:47 - 22:49(Sunim/Questioner Laughter)
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22:49 - 22:50(Questioner) Thanks.
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22:50 - 22:51(Audience Applause)
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Selection from Casual Conversation with Ven. Pomnyun Sunim(법륜스님) (Sep. 14, 2024)Question:
How can we reach enlightenment through meditation during which we are not supposed to think about anything? - Video Language:
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