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ANDREA GARCIA: If you
don't know my situation,
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you might think, oh, hey,
this girl is really fun.
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She's really great.
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When in reality I'm going down
more of a destructive path.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE: Logic brain is
telling me this will end soon.
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You'll get out of this.
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It's just a cycle.
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And then the emotional
side of my brain
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is like nothing's ever
going to be OK again.
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You're going to be
stuck like this forever.
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This is the rest of your life.
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Having bipolar is
like white knuckling
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every day of your existence.
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The highs can be really
great, and the lows
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are always very terrifying.
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ANDREA GARCIA: During
a manic episode,
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the longest time I've
gone without sleep
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was either seven or eight days.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE: A lot of fast
talking and grandiose feelings,
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like you're a superhero.
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ANDREA GARCIA: When I was in
a very deep depressive state,
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I would just spend a lot of time
in bed, not feeling like myself.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE:
It is something
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that is just so oppressive
that you literally
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can do nothing to shake it.
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DENISE: I feel bad there's
nothing I could do.
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Helpless as a parent.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE: When
I was first diagnosed,
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I wanted to do it
without medication.
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It turns out it's
very, very difficult.
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ANDREA GARCIA: This is a mood
stabilizer, an antipsychotic
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and an antidepressant.
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That perfect cocktail
of medications that help
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keep me stable.
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My name is Andrea, and I
live with bipolar type 1.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE:
My name is Allister,
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and I live with bipolar type 2.
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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Usually I roll over when
the first alarm goes off
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to take the pills,
roll back over
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and go back to sleep
for a little while.
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I try to take them at
the same time every day.
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Even if I miss like one
dose, I start getting--
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[IMITATES BUZZING]
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This is Effexor.
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That's the only
bipolar medication
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I take during the day except
for anxiety medication.
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The first med that I
take at night is Zyprexa.
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It's an antipsychotic
and mood stabilizer.
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And then this is just a vitamin
D because I'm super vitamin D
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deficient.
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Bipolar is a mental
illness, and it's
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characterized by
mood swings that
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can last anywhere from a
week to a couple of months.
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If you're bipolar type 1,
you have a lot more highs
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and mania than you do
lows and depression.
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And if you're bipolar
type 2, you generally
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have more depression than mania.
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Personally, I have
a rapid cycle.
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So I can go from one to
the next really quickly.
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It can range from
having all the energy
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in the world to the next day
feeling like you can't even
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get out of bed to
go to the bathroom.
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[BUZZING]
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And I don't want to be bothered.
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I don't want to hang
out with anybody.
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It feels like everything
is closing in around you,
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and it's impossible
to break out of it.
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I'd say the most
frustrating part for me
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about having bipolar, because
it is different for everybody,
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has been the medication dance.
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It took years of trial and
error to get to a point
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where I was even
somewhat stable.
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You're trying all
these different meds.
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And you really have to
trust your psychiatrist,
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and you really have to
trust in the process.
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Halfway through, it's very hard
to do that because you're not
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feeling better.
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But you're taking
all these pills,
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and you're paying
all these co-pays,
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and it feels like it's
never going to end.
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As somebody that's stable,
I know that at any time
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one of these meds
could stop working
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and I'm going to have to
go through all over again.
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ANDREA GARCIA: This is
my planner from 2019.
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You can see what I was
handling at the time.
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I was taking maybe six
different classes in addition
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to being a varsity
student athlete.
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I was also involved with
our campus newspaper
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and working for a sports
team on top of clubs.
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So you can see I
was handling a lot.
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One joke I have with my
friends is that there's type A
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and then there's type Andrea.
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[CHUCKLES]
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Planners for me
help keep me stable.
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Say if I'm a little more manic,
it gets all my racing thoughts
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out.
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So just that way I
can start my work day
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with a very clear mindset.
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Bipolar one is when a person
is most likely to have
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a more manic episode.
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Manic episodes
manifest differently
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for different kinds of people.
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For me, they tend to
have a lot more energy.
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I tend to be more irritable, and
I would go maybe up to a week
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without sleeping.
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I tend to feel like I'm
still on top of the world.
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But also I was gambling.
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I was overdrinking.
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I was spending money that I
didn't have left and right.
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That's the dangerous
thing about mania,
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is that you're engaging in
really dangerous behaviors,
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but you don't recognize
them as being dangerous.
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When it comes to balancing
the mania and the depression,
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there is definitely
this overarching theme
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of what comes up must come down.
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Often, it can rather be more
of a crash than a smooth fall.
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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Sophomore year of college
in my spring semester,
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I hit a major
depressive episode.
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I was on our
school's rowing team.
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And one February
winter practice,
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we were out on the water
and came across a dead body.
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That one occurrence triggered
a series of panic attacks
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during workouts and
practices that eventually
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led into a very deep
depressive state and a lot
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of suicidal thoughts
that eventually landed me
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in the psychiatric hospital.
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It was, quite
honestly, very scary.
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They had taken all
of my belongings,
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including things that I could
have used to hurt myself.
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The doctor prescribed me an
antidepressant that is obviously
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meant to cure depression.
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But in cases of
bipolar, it actually
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raises the manic symptoms.
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It's actually a
very common thing
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to have a misdiagnosis
before getting diagnosed
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with bipolar disorder.
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My mood went from
zero to like 1,000.
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And without proper medications,
I was spiraling out of control.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE: So
I think communication
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is one of the most
important parts of recovery.
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Gian is one of the closest
people I have in my life,
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and he is the owner of
Jakson's Automotive.
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He's known that
I've been bipolar
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pretty much since the jump.
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I'm very open about it.
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I don't really hide
it from anybody.
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And he was just
like, oh, OK, cool.
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So that's just something
that you deal with.
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I get excited to come up here
because being around somebody
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that I know, well, gets it
and that doesn't judge me.
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And I count myself very lucky.
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Not a lot of people have
that kind of outlet.
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GIAN: I'm going to
bang really loud.
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Is that a problem?
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SPEAKER 1: No.
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[CHUCKLES]
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GIAN: OK.
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[MECHANICAL NOISE]
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Over time, I learned how to
help him in different ways
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by just being there
and being a good friend
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and asking what the
right thing to do is
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and the right situations.
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Even when he says
sometimes like, no, I'm OK,
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like a couple hours
later it's worth
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checking in again and
being like, all right,
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you still feeling that?
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Are we still good?
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And then if it seems
it's tilting in one way,
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we got to do something about
it or hang out or do something.
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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I've dealt with my own
anxiety and depression
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in my lifetime, which is nowhere
near the level or magnification
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of what he deals with.
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But it definitely makes
me a lot softer to it.
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It's helpful to
help other people.
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You feel better
at the end of it.
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So as much as I feel like
crap if I can help him
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and then I see he feels better,
I'm like, all right, cool.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE:
And vice versa.
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I feel the same way.
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When we're both having
a really tough time,
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we tend to break stuff, whether
it be breaking hockey pucks
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against the wall out there.
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We've flipped trucks.
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We've cut trucks up.
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We've--
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[CHUCKLES]
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GIAN: Parked trucks
on top of cars.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE:
Parked trucks on top
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of cars, that was a fun one.
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It always ends in us
being like, hey, man, I'm
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not feeling great today.
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Let's talk about it.
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So it is constructive as
much as it is destructive.
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See, some of my
manic episodes are
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great because I'll
buy hockey tickets
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and then he's just
like, all right, cool.
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Let's go.
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[CHUCKLES]
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GIAN: Yeah, it's
not the worst thing.
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[CHUCKLES]
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ANDREA GARCIA: I love to run.
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Running has been this
huge release for whenever
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I'm depressive or manic.
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So when I'm depressed, I
can feel those endorphins
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immediately improving my mood.
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But when I'm manic, it helps me
release all this extra energy
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that I would otherwise
just be sitting with.
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Running is just peaceful.
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It's possibly the most
peaceful part of my day.
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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Currently, I train with a track
club based out of Brooklyn.
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I've spent my entire life
being an athlete of some sort.
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So when I finished
college, I missed
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having that sense of community.
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I love the way sports can
bring people together.
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My dad and I will talk a lot
about baseball and basketball.
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Growing up, he
was always the one
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to bring me to different
sporting events.
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Nothing feels better than when
I can just sit back and watch
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a game and just relax.
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DENISE: You want to pick one?
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE: I want to
try that vanilla mocha chunk.
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DENISE: OK.
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Cheers.
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[CHUCKLES]
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Well, usually you come
here, and we cook dinner.
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We like to cook together.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE: We do cook.
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Well, we'll watch
the hockey games.
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DENISE: Especially the Rangers.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE: Ever
present throughout my life.
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[CHUCKLES]
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DENISE: He was a good kid.
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Good thing.
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Because then I wouldn't have
had it anymore if he wasn't.
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But he spoiled me.
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But he was a very good kid.
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I had him when I was very young,
so it's always been me and him.
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The firstborn, I guess.
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It's always special.
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE: The first sign
of really bad mental illness
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was when my father passed away.
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It was very sudden.
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It was a car accident.
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It just happened when I was 13.
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And that's when I started
getting really depressed
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for the first time.
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I think I was 16.
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I was having heart palpitations.
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You'd take me to the
hospital that night.
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DENISE: Yeah.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE: That
was like the first time
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I ever had a panic attack.
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DENISE: I didn't know about
anxieties and this and that.
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Like he had to tell me.
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I didn't see it.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE:
Especially growing up
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with parents that were born
during the depression years,
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it was shut up and
get through it.
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Like Grandma Jean, shut
up and get through it.
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DENISE: They didn't
talk about nothing.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE: No,
everything was just
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put on pull on your bootstraps
and you go through it
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and that's the end of it.
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DENISE: Exactly.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE: There's
obvious signs of depression
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or anxiety throughout
the family,
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but nobody ever talked about it.
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I'm the first person
that's stood up and said,
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this is what's going on, guys.
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ANDREA GARCIA: As far as
mental health stigmas go,
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I think we're in a better place
than we were a decade ago.
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There's still a
lot of room to grow
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in terms of how people
see mental illness.
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They might think of the crazy
person locked up in an asylum.
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But in reality, it's a very
real and very common experience.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE: If mental
health was taken a little bit
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more seriously in
this country, or if we
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had maybe a Medicare
for all type deal,
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it might be a lot easier
for people to get help.
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And then you wouldn't
have so many people
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living on the
streets because they
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can't afford their medication.
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ANDREA GARCIA: The worst
case is they end up
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living with a mental
illness, and they
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don't have the money,
or the education,
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or even the support system they
need in their mental health
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journey.
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Would you choose
to live without it?
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE:
That's a good question.
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Honestly, I don't think I would
change having bipolar disorder.
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ANDREA GARCIA: It's hard to say.
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I would pick to
live with an illness
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over not living with an illness.
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But retrospectively, it's
part of what makes me me.
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And it's something that
I identify with now.
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ALLISTER MCGUIRE: While it's
terrifying to even think
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that tomorrow maybe my
antipsychotic stops working
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and I need to go on
another med merry go round,
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at the same time,
I don't think I
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would give that up because it's
an integral part of who I am.
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And I don't think I
would want to be anybody
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different at this point.
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