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Mental Health Care: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

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    LAST WEEK TONIGHT
    WITH JOHN OLIVER
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    Welcome to "Last Week Tonight"!
    I'm John Oliver.
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    Thank you so much for joining us.
    It has been a busy week.
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    Russia's war on Ukraine
    entered its sixth month,
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    monkeypox continues
    to spread around the world,
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    and in D.C., West Virginia's
    nastiest little coal skank
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    finally decided to act
    like a Democrat for once.
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    We're gonna start tonight in Europe,
    which has had a dramatic summer.
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    A massive heat wave
    has engulfed the continent
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    and a walrus named Freya
    has caused absolute chaos.
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    Far from the Arctic's icy waters,
    this lone walrus has sank
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    several small boats and inflatables
    in Denmark, Scotland, the Netherlands,
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    and now Norway
    in her attempt to sunbathe.
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    The damage from a 700-kilo walrus
    on your boat can be extensive,
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    especially when she chooses
    a vessel that's not walrus worthy.
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    Unsurprisingly, boat owners
    aren't excited to share with Freya.
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    I don't want it on the dock
    or on my boat.
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    Just get it away from here.
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    No! Don't do that!
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    I love everything about Norway being
    terrorized by a walrus in vacation mode
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    sinking boats
    like they're three pointers.
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    But also, Freya's not a mosquito
    you can just swat away,
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    she's a 1,300-pound water queen
    and guess what?
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    She's the captain now.
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    But boats are not the only thing
    being upended in Europe.
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    Multiple countries are now
    in the process of choosing new leaders,
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    including the U.K., where Boris Johnson
    finally stepped down
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    earlier this month, after succumbing
    to a series of scandals.
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    And in doing so,
    he offered this inspiring farewell.
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    I want you to know how sad I am to
    be giving up the best job in the world.
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    But them's the breaks.
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    Yeah, them's the breaks!
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    Sometimes you drive your country off
    a massive economic cliff for no reason,
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    then attend
    a series of alcoholic bashes
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    in violation of your own government's
    Covid lockdowns,
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    then promote a member of your own
    party accused of sexual misconduct,
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    later claiming that you
    didn't know anything about it,
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    only for it to turn out
    that that wasn't true,
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    and for much of your government
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    to resign
    rather than continue working for you.
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    You know… The breaks!
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    And with Boris standing down,
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    the next prime minister
    will be chosen by his party,
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    which has narrowed the field
    down to two candidates.
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    The first is Rishi Sunak,
    former finance minister.
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    He has made a play
    for social conservatives
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    by attacking "woke nonsense"
    this week.
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    But he's also
    an incredibly wealthy man
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    who was educated at one of the most
    exclusive private schools in England,
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    although it didn't seem to successfully
    teach him what to do with his arms.
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    It's great to be at the Channel 4
    studios for tonight's debate.
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    We've got a brilliant message
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    and I'm pumped to be able
    to talk more about it this evening.
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    Thanks also
    for all your continued support.
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    All the offers of help,
    the emails,
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    and the Tweets are amazing,
    keep them coming.
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    What are you doing? What is it about
    rich people and hand movements?
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    Sunak looks like he studied
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    at the Zuckerberg school
    of passing for a human.
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    And that's not even a one-off!
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    He moves his hands
    like that all the fucking time!
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    And you want your hands to support
    and accentuate what you're saying,
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    not to look like you're in a boxing
    match with 100 invisible mice.
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    If you are going to choose
    to wave your hands around like that,
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    the very least you can do
    is put some puppets on them.
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    Also, for what it's worth,
    one of Sunak's campaign promises
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    is that Britain's National Health
    Service will be safe in his hands,
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    but given what you have
    just seen him do with them,
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    I fucking doubt that's true.
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    But luckily for Sunak,
    his rival, Liz Truss,
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    is somehow even more awkward.
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    I could show you
    plenty of examples of this,
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    or I could show you the eight seconds
    that really capture her entire spirit.
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    In December, I'll be in Beijing,
    opening up new pork markets!
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    What is happening there?
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    Somehow Truss comes off
    as half-kindergarten teacher,
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    half kindergarten student.
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    She's giving off the vibe there
    of a kid who was cast as Who #14
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    in an elementary school production
    of Seussical the Musical,
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    because that is an energy
    that can only be described as
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    "I said my thing, my parents saw it,
    can I go home now?"
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    Truss has a real knack
    for making bad decisions,
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    and then very much sticking to them,
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    exemplified by the fact that this Tweet
    paying tribute to Jimmy Savile,
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    who turned out
    to be a monstrous pedophile,
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    has not been deleted 11 years later,
    nor has this Tweet from a decade ago,
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    where she seems to be searching
    for her own name.
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    And while Truss is campaigning
    on her ability to get results,
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    that may be a tough sell,
    given her party's record in government,
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    which was brutally exposed
    in this interview a few years ago.
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    You had a plan in 2014 to build
    200 000 new starter homes.
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    That was five years ago.
    How many did you build?
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    There haven't been as many starter
    homes as we would have liked.
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    - How many did you build?
    - I don't have the exact numbers.
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    It's easy to remember.
    It's zero. You built none.
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    Not great there, Liz.
    But take a minute to appreciate
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    the interviewer who made
    a whole meal out of that gotcha.
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    His body language, tone,
    and glasses position
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    is basically BBC shorthand for,
    "Hello, I'm about to be a huge bitch".
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    "Zero, that's easy
    to remember, right?
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    You take what you set out to achieve,
    and then subtract all of it."
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    So, neither of the options
    for leader are good here,
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    and the fact is, whoever wins will be
    inheriting a poisoned chalice.
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    Boris Johnson, the man who both
    of them have spent years enabling,
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    has broken a lot of shit
    that they will now have to clean up,
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    but I guess, in the words of Europe's
    second most unwanted mammal,
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    "Them's the breaks."
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    And now, this!
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    And Now: People on TV Daydreaming
    About Winning the Lottery.
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    Every lottery story from Topeka
    to national news. We dream.
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    And then the anchor,
    we're supposed to say,
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    "What would you do, Carry,
    if you win?"
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    I would share that money
    with everybody.
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    The big question is,
    would you come back to work though?
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    - No!
    - Of course, we wouldn't.
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    - Have you ever won the lottery?
    - No. I'm still sitting here.
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    If you win the lottery, you would
    not show up to work the next day.
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    You'd never see me again.
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    You would never see me again.
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    - You would never see me again.
    - Never see you again.
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    You'll never see me again.
    I'm gone.
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    I'd be on some remote island
    you never heard of.
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    Would you keep working?
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    I'm gonna change my name.
    Y'all won't be able to find me.
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    I love you, Robin.
    I love you, Bob. I love you, Jen.
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    - I wouldn't quit my job.
    - You would not?
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    No, that's what they always say.
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    So, I was just joining in on that.
    Of course, I'd be out of here.
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    Moving on. Our main story tonight
    concerns mental health care.
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    It's a subject that historically humans
    haven't handled particularly well.
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    To a famous Bond Street beauty parlor
    come a bunch of pretty nurses.
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    They're greeted by director
    Ms. Eleanor McDonald.
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    They're here not as customers,
    but as students.
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    Ms. McDonald teaches a new group
    of half a dozen every month.
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    It's an official part
    of their training.
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    If you can persuade
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    a mentally ill woman to take interest
    and pride in her appearance,
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    you may even swing the balance
    between despair and recovery.
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    "Yes, those pesky women just need
    a little pep in their step,
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    a little drip on their lip,
    a little flash on their lash.
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    Look at me!
    I'm a British voice from the 1950's,
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    setting the course of science
    for decades to come."
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    I don't know
    what is more alarming there,
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    nurses being forced to take on the
    skills of a Sephora brand ambassador
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    or the fact
    that "Can Makeup Cure Sad?"
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    sounds like an episode
    that Dr. Oz definitely did.
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    The good news is that since then,
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    we've got more comfortable
    talking about mental health,
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    with PSAs like this one from 2010
    trying to destigmatize it.
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    In the all-American
    health care system,
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    there is coverage for heart health,
    care for cancer.
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    But the all-American brain
    is getting lost in the shuffle.
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    Brain tumor, fine.
    Brain disease, not so fine.
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    There's no stigma or discrimination
    against the heart,
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    the liver, the kidney,
    and the gallbladder.
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    Doesn't even have a job.
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    Depression was kept in the dark.
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    Our goal is to make the discussion
    of mental disease cool and trendy.
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    Let's tear down the stigma
    surrounding mental illness.
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    I'm mad about feeling good.
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    - No kidding.
    - Me too.
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    No kidding, me too!
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    It's time we gave the all-American
    brain some peace of mind.
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    It is hard to pick
    a favorite moment there,
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    from Chazz Palminteri
    using a mental health PSA
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    as an opportunity to promote
    his favorite Bronx pasta place,
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    to the studio audience shouting,
    "Me too!"
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    seven years before that would mean
    something very different,
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    to Harrison Ford saying the gallbladder
    doesn't have a job.
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    What?
    It stores and releases bile, Harrison.
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    Bile that helps digest fats
    in the food that you eat.
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    Doesn't have a jo…
    maybe you're thinking of the appendix?
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    'Cause that's a total freeloader,
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    but not the tireless digestive juice
    collecting-and-dispensing gallbladder.
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    This bile sack erasure will not stand!
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    As chaotically
    as that message was presented,
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    it was clearly well-intentioned,
    because there should not be a stigma
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    around seeking help
    for mental health issues.
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    And especially now, given that,
    over the last two years,
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    we have seen a spike in them.
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    During the pandemic,
    about "four in 10 adults in the U.S.
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    have reported symptoms
    of anxiety or depressive disorder."
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    That's up from one in 10
    who reported them a year before.
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    It may help explain why,
    for that one month last year,
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    everyone on the internet
    suddenly started singing sea shanties.
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    It was clearly
    a collective cry for help.
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    So, encouraging people to talk
    to someone is a very good idea.
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    But as people increasingly
    do seek help,
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    they're discovering a system
    that is just not set up to provide it.
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    There have long been waitlists
    to see a therapist,
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    but it has gotten significantly worse
    since the pandemic,
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    with 65% of psychologists reporting
    they had no capacity for new patients.
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    In fact,
    "more than half the people
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    who need mental health care
    do not receive it,"
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    with that rate being even higher
    for minority populations.
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    Emergency rooms are now becoming
    overloaded with people,
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    and especially children,
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    who have nowhere else to go,
    stuck in beds there,
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    because there is no space
    in proper facilities to treat them.
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    Just take this couple,
    whose 14-year-old was in crisis,
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    and who followed
    their pediatrician's advice
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    to go to the ER with him.
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    I remember we got out of the car,
    and we hugged him and we said,
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    "We're going to do
    whatever it takes to help you."
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    But once inside,
    staff told them
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    there was no space across the state
    for mental health services.
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    They were admitted to the ED, where
    15 other children were also waiting.
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    Their son has spent 27 days
    at Children's waiting.
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    You come in for help, you're desperate
    for it, and you can't get it.
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    That kid was stuck
    waiting in the ER for 27 days.
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    And set aside the fact
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    that that is not the most calming place
    for someone experiencing a crisis.
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    You can't just put off
    mental health care indefinitely.
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    It's not a check engine light,
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    or a New Yorker article
    you're definitely gonna finish.
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    It's been sitting next to the toilet
    since the Obama administration.
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    Accept defeat.
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    So, if people increasingly need help,
    but there is not enough available,
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    we thought it'd be worth taking a look
    at our mental health care system:
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    where the cracks are,
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    some of the inadequate ways
    that we've tried to fill them,
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    and why we are in this mess
    in the first place.
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    Let's start with the fact
    that for many years,
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    we kept people with men,
    mental illness in institutions,
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    which were abhorrent.
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    We began shutting them down
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    on the understanding
    that care would then take place
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    mostly in outpatient community
    mental health centers,
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    which was a good idea,
    had we funded them properly.
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    But we didn't. And over the years,
    this has deteriorated to the point
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    where it has become hard to access
    any kind of care ahead of a crisis.
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    One of the key problems here
    is our current massive shortage
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    of mental health providers,
    from psychiatrists to social workers.
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    Which is particularly acute
    in certain parts of the country.
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    There are "over 6 000 mental health
    professional shortage areas in the U.S"
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    "Nearly 60 percent of those
    are in rural areas."
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    And for those who live there,
    and are struggling,
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    things can get pretty grim.
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    You get to the point where you'd even
    start asking people, you tell them,
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    "I'm not having a really good day.
    Things are not going good."
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    And the problem is that, you know,
    it was, you know,
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    "Suck it up, it'll be better tomorrow.
    Everything will be fine tomorrow.
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    Suck it up, Buttercup."
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    I hear that phrase a lot around here,
    "Suck it up, Buttercup."
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    - Yeah.
    - What does that mean exactly?
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    For me it meant a couple of shots
    of Jack in my coffee in the morning,
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    when I went to work,
    a couple of beers at lunch,
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    get home, and it was nothing
    to go through,
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    12-pack of something
    or a bottle of something.
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    That's not great. It is not ideal when
    your access to mental health advice
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    is someone telling you to
    "suck it up, Buttercup".
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    A phrase typically reserved
    for when you're climbing in gym class
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    and you hit the rope knot
    too hard.
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    And the shortages
    aren't just geographical.
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    If you're looking
    for a provider of color,
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    you may have real trouble,
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    as white people make up
    84 percent of U.S. psychologists.
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    Meaning that some patients
    may have a much harder time
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    finding someone they can relate to,
    like this woman in Philadelphia,
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    who began seeing a white therapist,
    but felt that they weren't connecting.
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    It felt
    like she just wasn't getting it.
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    I could tell it was
    from the cultural differences.
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    But I felt like I couldn't be myself
    in the session.
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    I could imagine,
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    particularly white people
    hearing that story and thinking,
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    "But it doesn't matter
    what color your skin is."
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    Yes, it does.
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    And it's more
    of the cultural backgrounds.
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    And I was wondering, you know,
    where are all the Black therapists?
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    Are they hiding underneath a rock?
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    I wanted a Black male therapist.
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    - Could you find one?
    - I could not find one for my life.
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    "I couldn't find a Black man
    for my life'
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    isn't something you expect to hear
    about finding a therapist,
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    it's something you more expect to hear
    about the crowd on January 6th,
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    or all 10 seasons of "Friends."
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    So, across the board,
    whether in small towns or big cities,
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    we don't have enough
    mental health professionals.
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    And that gulf
    between supply and demand
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    has proven very attractive
    to Silicon Valley.
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    There are currently over 10 000 apps
    geared toward mental health,
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    including one called Woebot,
    which is very clever.
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    It's "bot" as in robot and "woe"
    as in "whoa, that's a dumb name."
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    Woebot is a free app
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    where you can chat with an AI robot
    "mental health ally."
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    And let's just acknowledge:
    Woebot is cute as shit.
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    If you download the app,
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    he sometimes greets you
    with waving a little wrench around.
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    He's gonna fix my brain with that!
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    Unfortunately,
    as reporters have found,
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    Woebot has not always been great
    at giving appropriate feedback.
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    We gave Woebot a try
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    to see how it would respond
    to a mental health issue
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    that affects roughly 18 percent
    of the adult U.S. population.
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    "Super anxious
    and can barely sleep."
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    He responded, "I can't wait
    to hop into my jammies later."
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    Okay.
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    That's unsettling, and also,
    I'm pretty sure it's a lie.
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    You're telling me that Woebot
    wears jammies to bed?
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    That's interesting, 'cause in every
    single picture I've seen of him,
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    he is confidently nude.
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    So, not only is Woebot unhelpful,
    he's untrustworthy.
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    And it gets much worse.
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    In 2018, the BBC tested Woebot
    to see what kind of responses
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    it might give a child in danger,
    trying the phrase,
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    "I'm being forced to have sex
    and I'm only 12 years old."
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    To which Woebot responded,
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    "Sorry you're going through this,
    but it also shows me how much you care
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    about connection
    and that's really kind of beautiful."
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    Woebot's creators say that the app
    is not designed for people in crisis,
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    and that it's constantly improving.
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    And given what you just heard,
    you'd sure fucking hope so!
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    But it is not just chatbots
    that are letting people down here.
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    If you listen to podcasts,
    or you're on TikTok,
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    you are probably bombarded
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    with ads for services like Done,
    Talkspace, and Cerebral.
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    They're the ads
    you swipe straight past to get back
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    to videos of nurses crushing it
    to Lizzo,
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    Drew Barrymore ecstatically
    advocating for the concept of rain,
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    and someone teaching their dog
    to waltz.
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    TikTok is amazing
    and I hope it never dies.
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    But these companies claim
    to hook you up with therapists
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    and, in some cases, medication.
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    They're basically Uber,
    but for your brain.
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    There is nothing inherently
    wrong with teletherapy.
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    In theory, it can help fill in some
    of the very real gaps in access
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    that we've been discussing so far.
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    But the reality of these services
    has often been deeply underwhelming.
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    Take one of the biggest, Cerebral.
    Recently, it became the subject
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    of a federal investigation
    into whether it overprescribed
  • 17:12 - 17:14
    controlled substances like Adderall.
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    Some former staffers
    have even claimed
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    that the company's chief medical
    officer and now CEO once said
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    "95% of people who see a Cerebral
    nurse should get a prescription",
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    but was emphatic
    that the rate cannot be 100%,
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    saying they'd be a "pill mill"
    at that rate.
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    Which is a very good instinct.
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    When you're a company
    that gives out prescriptions,
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    you always want to aim
    for whatever is just below pill mill.
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    It's like the old saying goes,
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    "It's not arson if you only burn down
    most of a building."
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    And that is not the only worrying
    claim from former Cerebral workers.
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    Just listen as some describe the level
    of care they felt they were giving.
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    It's like a fast-food restaurant.
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    Get as many people in
    as fast as you can.
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    Do you feel like clients
    who come to Cerebral,
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    who are suicidal,
    are in safe hands?
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    No. Without a doubt, no.
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    This former Cerebral phone coordinator,
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    who didn't want to show his face
    because he fears reprisal,
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    told us he handled calls
    from suicidal patients
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    despite having minimal training.
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    I'm not trained. I don't want
    to say the wrong thing,
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    and I didn't want that
    on my conscience,
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    let alone anybody to die
    because of something I said wrong.
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    That's bleak!
    There is basically no scenario
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    where mental health services should
    be acting like fast-food restaurants.
  • 18:30 - 18:32
    The only idea that they
    should maybe be stealing from them
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    is the concept of giving out toys.
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    'Cause admit it,
    therapy would feel a lot better
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    if you left each session
    with a little Minion in a wig.
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    Cerebral insists pill mill comments
    were taken out of context,
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    that it never pressures clinicians
    to write prescriptions,
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    and that it has systems set up
    to quickly help suicidal patients.
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    But even if all of that is true,
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    and it is clear mental health apps
    are not going to save us here.
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    They're not dealing with the main,
    underlying issue.
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    They can't suddenly hire more
    clinicians, if not enough exist.
  • 19:06 - 19:08
    And that shortage speaks
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    to a mental health care system
    that is so dysfunctional,
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    it seems almost designed
    to prevent patients from accessing it,
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    or providers
    from entering the field.
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    And a lot of that comes down
    to how we pay for care.
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    Therapy isn't cheap.
    The typical fee for a session
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    with a clinical social worker is
    between 120 and $180 in major cities.
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    The going rate to see a psychologist
    can be as much as $300.
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    And the thing is,
    we currently have laws
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    that are supposed to make treatment
    both affordable and accessible.
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    In 2008, Congress passed a law
    mandating mental health parity,
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    basically, that big insurance plans
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    must cover mental health care
    at the same level as all other care.
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    And just two years later,
    the Affordable Care Act
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    extended that concept to individual
    and some small group plans, too.
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    Which sounds great.
    But as many have discovered,
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    the reality of the system
    can be starkly different,
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    starting with simply finding
    a provider who takes your insurance.
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    I kept telling my mother
    I wanted to see a therapist.
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    Then it's finding a therapist
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    and it's finding a therapist
    that takes your insurance.
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    To find a children's therapist that is
    covered under your insurance,
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    it was mayhem.
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    - You couldn't find anybody?
    - I couldn't find anybody.
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    Blue Shield sent me a list, like,
    I should be fine,
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    just make a few phone calls,
    I'll find somebody.
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    I called everybody on this list.
    Only one place called me back.
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    That is distressing for a number
    of reasons, not least of which is,
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    it forces someone
    into the appalling position
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    of actually wanting to be called back,
    on the phone.
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    Which is just horrifying.
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    The best phone call is a text,
    the second best is an email,
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    and the third best phone call
    is two traded voicemails.
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    Everything else
    is a complete nightmare.
  • 20:56 - 21:02
    Some seeking care have run up against
    what are known as "ghost networks",
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    that's lists from insurance providers
    that are padded with clinicians
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    who either don't take new patients
    or are no longer in-network.
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    In one 2015 study, researchers posing
    as patients called 360 psychiatrists
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    from a list of in-network
    Blue Cross Blue Shield providers.
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    Only 40% of those calls were answered,
    and 16% of the numbers were wrong,
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    including numbers for a McDonald's,
    a boutique, and a jewelry store.
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    Although, to be fair,
    if you're a woman in the 1950s,
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    a boutique and a jewelry store is
    the only mental health care you need.
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    "Buck up, Dolly! You'll be
    happier if you're prettier!"
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    There are times where the inadequacy
    of these lists feels pretty deliberate.
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    Take Melissa Davies,
    a psychologist in Ohio,
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    who was part
    of Anthem's network for years
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    when she worked
    for a large medical group.
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    But when she started a solo practice,
    Anthem refused to contract with her,
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    saying "the area was saturated",
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    even though she was one of only
    three psychologists in the county,
  • 22:02 - 22:04
    and when she examined
    their directory,
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    she "found a great number
    of their providers
  • 22:07 - 22:09
    were no longer practicing
    or were dead".
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    It is not that retirees and the dead
    don't have their place in society.
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    They absolutely do, it's right
    in front of a TV set blasting Fox News,
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    but they are not what you want to find
    when you're looking for health care.
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    And because mental health is often seen
    as subjective and hard to measure,
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    even when patients
    do find a provider,
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    insurance companies
    can deny appropriate treatment.
  • 22:31 - 22:34
    And even when they approve it,
    in some cases,
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    they've intervened
    to put an early stop to it.
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    Take this family,
    whose son dealt with suicidal ideation
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    and which had a horrible experience
    with their insurance.
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    After years of issues,
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    this time his doctor
    prescribed residential treatment.
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    Such facilities are not cheap
    but the good news is
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    that Leah's insurance, Anthem,
    covers residential treatment.
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    They sent me an email
    saying he's approved.
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    But, after checking him in,
    Anthem came back
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    and decided the treatment
    was not "medically necessary".
  • 23:03 - 23:07
    With insurance refusing to pay, Leah
    made the financially crushing decision
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    to let her son
    stay and finish treatment,
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    85 days in all
    and $88 000 of her own money.
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    That is obviously infuriating.
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    And while the company
    did agree to pay some of that bill,
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    just imagine an insurance company
    reversing their decision
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    in the middle
    of any other serious treatment.
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    'We love
    how this heart surgery is going,
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    just popping in to say it's done.
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    Yeah, it's done now.
    Hit the showers, everyone, great job,
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    don't bother closing anything up,
    that's not 'medically necessary'.
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    And debate over coverage between
    insurance and health care providers
  • 23:41 - 23:43
    can get incredibly adversarial.
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    A reviewer for Anthem at one point
    had an average denial rate of 92%
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    when it came to doctors' requests
    for coverage.
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    According to one of Anthem's
    medical directors at the time,
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    there was a good reason
    their system operated that way.
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    Doctors will spin
    the clinical information.
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    They will make things appear
    more serious than, perhaps, they are,
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    because they feel the patient needs
    this level of care for a little longer.
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    You do have
    a somewhat adversarial relationship
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    between the reviewer
    and the attending physician.
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    - Was that best for the patient?
    - It's like our legal system.
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    Each side, does a good job
    in presenting their case
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    and asking the right questions,
    you ultimately arrive at the truth.
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    'Cause if there's one thing we know
    about the American legal system,
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    it's that it always
    arrives at the truth.
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    It's why the Innocence Project
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    is mostly two guys in an empty office
    getting really good at ping pong.
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    There's simply nothing else
    for them to do.
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    I know treating critical health care
    as something doctors have to 'win'
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    may seem dangerous, but that man
    will have you know, it isn't!
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    I cannot think of a situation
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    where a decision was made
    to discharge a patient from a hospital
  • 25:00 - 25:03
    and some terrible consequence
    occurred soon thereafter.
  • 25:04 - 25:06
    - I'm sure it happens, but…
    - We found quite a few.
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    I'd have to look at them to see.
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    There's one that occurs to me
    that I was involved with,
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    where the child left the hospital
    with his parents,
  • 25:21 - 25:24
    escaped from his parents,
    drove cross country to another state,
  • 25:24 - 25:26
    and days later,
    committed suicide.
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    Keeping that individual
    in the hospital longer
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    is not likely
    to have made any difference.
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    I would have to imagine
    that the parents would say,
  • 25:37 - 25:38
    if you'd kept him in the hospital,
  • 25:38 - 25:40
    he wouldn't have been
    in another state killing himself.
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    Holy shit! Do you think
    that guy went into that interview
  • 25:45 - 25:49
    knowing he was about to be murdered
    by Scott Pelley on network TV?
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    Do you think he was getting ready
    in the morning, and thought,
  • 25:51 - 25:53
    'I've got that interview
    with CBS News' Scott Pelley tonight,
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    I wonder if he's gonna take
    my stupidest soundbite
  • 25:56 - 25:59
    and feed it back to me
    right through my fucking teeth?'
  • 25:59 - 26:01
    Was he driving
    to that interview thinking,
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    "I wonder if any of the camera crew
    will step in as beloved,
  • 26:03 - 26:06
    Peabody-Award-winning
    newsman Scott Pelley
  • 26:06 - 26:08
    runs me across the floor
    like a Swiffer mop,
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    or will they just stand by
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    as my lifeless body is deservedly
    whipped back and forth?'
  • 26:13 - 26:17
    And if you're wondering how insurers
    can get away with that sort of thinking
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    it's partly because the government
    has, to this point,
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    done shockingly little when it comes
    to enforcing parity laws.
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    Multiple federal and state agencies
    have responsibility for this,
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    but the truth is,
    they rarely penalize plans.
  • 26:30 - 26:33
    The Labor Department,
    which oversees most workplace plans,
  • 26:33 - 26:37
    closed just 74 investigations last year
    finding violations in only 12.
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    As for state-level enforcement,
    a study found that they've levied fines
  • 26:42 - 26:47
    just 13 times since 2017,
    which is absolutely pathetic.
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    And it is not just private insurers
    that are a nightmare here.
  • 26:51 - 26:55
    Community mental health clinics,
    which often serve low-income patients,
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    are suffering as well,
    because the reimbursement rates
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    for public insurance,
    like Medicare and Medicaid,
  • 27:01 - 27:03
    are also woefully insufficient.
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    Basically, from top to bottom, we
    underpay mental health professionals,
  • 27:08 - 27:11
    many of whom do difficult,
    high burnout work.
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    It is no wonder so many
    opt out of the system.
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    One study found that patients
    are more than five times
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    as likely to have to use out-of-network
    providers for behavioral care,
  • 27:21 - 27:23
    than for other medical services.
  • 27:23 - 27:27
    Just listen to these two counselors
    who spoke anonymously to local news
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    about their concerns
    over what all this might mean.
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    The counselors say insurers
    take 90 days to pay them
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    and the payments are so low,
  • 27:36 - 27:39
    fewer mental health providers
    are taking insurance.
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    We will face a crisis
    where people are only able
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    to get services
    if they can pay out of pocket.
  • 27:46 - 27:49
    Both therapists
    wanted us to conceal their identities
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    out of concern
    for patient privacy
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    and because they still have to work
    with insurance companies.
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    So as providers,
    some people think,
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    "We're just for the money
    or we don't care."
  • 27:58 - 28:00
    No, we care. We care a lot.
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    But these companies
    are also driving us into the ground
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    and we can't,
    this is not sustainable.
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    Yeah, of course, it isn't!
  • 28:08 - 28:11
    Therapists are in a
    no-win situation here.
  • 28:11 - 28:13
    And for what it's worth,
    it is just not a great sign
  • 28:13 - 28:15
    that insurance companies
    are now so powerful
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    that mental health providers
    feel they have to go on the news
  • 28:19 - 28:22
    like they're in witness protection
    after seeing someone get whacked.
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    And the thing is, some out-of-network
    therapists can make a lot of money,
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    if they live in an area with patients
    that can afford to pay out of pocket.
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    But for the many who don't,
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    they are stuck taking whatever
    insurance companies are willing to pay,
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    which helps explain why psychiatry
    was ranked one of the lowest
  • 28:40 - 28:43
    in compensation
    among 29 medical specialties.
  • 28:43 - 28:46
    And it's not just doctors,
    counselors and social workers
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    with masters' degrees
    earn 33 to 45 percent less
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    than other health professionals
    with a comparable education.
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    And as bad as our situation
    is right now, it's getting worse.
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    One survey in Massachusetts
    said that for every 10 clinicians
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    entering work in mental health
    clinics there, 13 leave.
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    And if we continue at that rate,
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    one day, we're going to wind up
    with negative therapists,
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    which I'm pretty sure
    is what you call anyone
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    who responds to your serious
    mental health issues with,
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    "Interesting, I can't wait
    to get into my jammies later."
  • 29:20 - 29:24
    And the costs of leaving mental health
    untreated can be massive,
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    not just for those needing it,
    but for all of us.
  • 29:26 - 29:29
    Mental health problems
    are a big driver of homelessness,
  • 29:29 - 29:32
    and also force people into contact
    with the criminal justice system.
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    In fact, it is often said
    that correctional facilities
  • 29:35 - 29:40
    have become the largest providers
    of mental health care services in US.
  • 29:40 - 29:43
    We've gone from warehousing
    people with mental illness
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    in buildings that felt like prisons,
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    to warehousing them
    in actual prisons instead.
  • 29:48 - 29:52
    It's very much the "new look, same
    great taste" of America's failures.
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    So, how do we fix all of this?
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    This is clearly an absurd way
    to operate a health care system.
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    And for the umpteenth time,
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    I would argue single-payer health care
    is the way to go.
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    Unfortunately, we can't get that,
    because it's very high up on a shelf.
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    I don't know who left it there,
    but they must've been tall,
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    because it's way too high to reach.
  • 30:15 - 30:16
    And if you're thinking,
    "Why not use a ladder?"
  • 30:16 - 30:21
    The ladder's also on the shelf.
    It's a really frustrating situation.
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    But in the absence of that,
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    we need to both recruit
    more mental health care professionals,
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    and make sure
    that insurers cover them properly.
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    On the first point,
    the Biden administration,
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    to its credit,
    announced a plan back in March
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    that'd provide "$100 billion
    in mandatory funding over 10 years"
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    to completely transform
    our current system,
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    which includes investing
    700 million in programs to cover
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    everything from training
    to scholarships and loan repayments
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    for those committed
    to working in underserved areas.
  • 30:49 - 30:52
    But obviously,
    that's only half the battle.
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    On the insurance company side,
    we badly need to be strengthening
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    and enforcing those mental health
    parity laws,
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    at both the state
    and the federal level.
  • 31:01 - 31:06
    California has put in one of the most
    comprehensive parity laws in US.
  • 31:06 - 31:10
    Among many, many other things,
    it requires that insurers must base
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    "medical necessity determinations
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    on current generally accepted
    standards of mental health care",
  • 31:16 - 31:18
    instead of just making up
    the criteria for themselves.
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    That is a very big deal,
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    and more states should be
    following California's lead.
  • 31:24 - 31:30
    In the past, so much of the problem
    was that people would not ask for help.
  • 31:30 - 31:33
    Thankfully that's now less of an issue,
    thanks to, among other things.
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    the tireless gland-shaming
    of Mr. Harrison Ford.
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    But now,
    when people do reach out for help,
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    we're just not in a position
    to give it to them.
  • 31:43 - 31:47
    If we want to be a society that truly
    respects and values mental health,
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    we have to respect
    and value mental health care.
  • 31:50 - 31:53
    And that means supporting
    the people who deliver it.
  • 31:53 - 31:57
    It's going to take a lot of investment
    and continued resolve to fix things,
  • 31:57 - 31:59
    but it's also absolutely worth it.
  • 32:00 - 32:03
    Because it just cannot be the case
    that when people ask for help,
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    our only option is to tell them
    to suck it up, Buttercup.
  • 32:08 - 32:09
    And now, this!
  • 32:10 - 32:14
    And Now:
    The World's Horniest Televangelist.
  • 32:15 - 32:19
    Everywhere I go, I have people
    just stroke their Bible, kiss it.
  • 32:20 - 32:22
    Then I say,
    "Rub it over your face."
  • 32:23 - 32:25
    I'm Mike Murdock,
    a follower of Jesus.
  • 32:25 - 32:30
    I like sexual beauty. Really like that.
    I look at a woman's ankles,
  • 32:30 - 32:32
    I look at her toenails,
    I look at her fingernails.
  • 32:32 - 32:35
    I don't know why cutoffs are sexy,
    but they are.
  • 32:36 - 32:39
    I like short shorts.
    I don't like long shorts.
  • 32:39 - 32:41
    I want to see everything I can.
    I'm a man.
  • 32:41 - 32:45
    You think when I think of marriage
    I'm thinking of black-eyed peas,
  • 32:45 - 32:50
    pork and beans, fried corn,
    and glass of iced tea?
  • 32:51 - 32:53
    That's marriage. Are you kidding?
  • 32:54 - 32:58
    I want a sexpot stripping on the stage
    in front of me in the bedroom.
  • 33:04 - 33:07
    If her nipples are ugly,
    she'll cover those up.
  • 33:07 - 33:09
    But she wants you
    to see the mounds
  • 33:10 - 33:13
    because men see mounds
    and they start thinking.
  • 33:14 - 33:17
    "31 Secrets
    of an Unforgettable Woman."
  • 33:18 - 33:19
    Unbelievable book.
  • 33:20 - 33:24
    I started crying when I started
    reading this book that I was writing.
  • 33:28 - 33:31
    Thanks so much for watching.
    We'll see you next week. Good night!
  • 33:32 - 33:37
    In December, I'll be in Beijing,
    opening up new pork markets!
Title:
Mental Health Care: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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