The surprising reason our correctional system doesn't work | Brandon W. Mathews | TEDxMileHigh
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0:12 - 0:15I'm here to talk to you about divorce.
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0:15 - 0:17I have to admit
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0:17 - 0:18I'm absolutely,
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0:18 - 0:19positively,
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0:19 - 0:21100%
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0:21 - 0:22in favor of divorce.
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0:22 - 0:24(Laughter)
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0:24 - 0:25What else is there to do
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0:25 - 0:27when the marriage
is dysfunctional, ineffective, -
0:27 - 0:29creating poor outcomes
for everyone involved? -
0:29 - 0:30I say, nothing.
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0:30 - 0:33Just get it over with,
and divorce already. -
0:33 - 0:35Now, the type of divorce
I'm talking about, -
0:35 - 0:39it's probably a bit different
than what you're thinking. -
0:39 - 0:44What I'm referring to is a divorce
within our correctional and prison system. -
0:44 - 0:46Over the last 12 years,
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0:46 - 0:49I've worked in various parts
of the criminal justice world, -
0:49 - 0:52with most of that focused on corrections.
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0:52 - 0:54The correctional system
includes the agencies -
0:54 - 0:56that oversee an area's prisons,
halfway houses, -
0:56 - 0:58and community supervision programs.
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0:58 - 1:02Now, there are generally two types
of people who get into corrections work: -
1:02 - 1:05those who want to enforce rules and laws
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1:05 - 1:07and those who want
to help with rehabilitation. -
1:07 - 1:10I started my career
as a correctional officer, -
1:10 - 1:12like the first group of people.
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1:12 - 1:14I made sure inmates
were following the rules -
1:14 - 1:17and not doing anything dangerous
while they were in prison. -
1:17 - 1:20Eventually, I moved
into correctional investigations, -
1:20 - 1:22where I was looking deeper
into rule-of-law violations -
1:22 - 1:27for things like assault by staff
or things like excessive use of force. -
1:27 - 1:30But I grew frustrated
because no matter what I did, -
1:30 - 1:33it never really felt
like things were getting better. -
1:33 - 1:36So I moved into community corrections,
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1:36 - 1:38like the second group of people.
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1:38 - 1:39Unlike prison,
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1:39 - 1:44community corrections tends to be
more focused on rehabilitating offenders. -
1:44 - 1:45But even there,
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1:45 - 1:47it didn't feel like what I was doing
was changing behavior -
1:47 - 1:50or making a lasting, positive impact.
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1:51 - 1:52I was fed up.
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1:52 - 1:54So about six years ago,
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1:54 - 1:57I decided I was going to figure out
why our system wasn't working. -
1:57 - 1:59I started researching.
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1:59 - 2:02But instead of focusing on things
like how to prevent crime, -
2:02 - 2:07I took a look at how we manage corrections
from a systems perspective. -
2:07 - 2:12I studied the cultures, leadership styles,
and social identities of corrections -
2:12 - 2:16and how those within the system
view their roles and responsibilities. -
2:16 - 2:18And then it became clear:
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2:18 - 2:22the underlying reason
our system doesn't work today -
2:22 - 2:24is because the practices of punishment
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2:24 - 2:29are too interconnected
with our goal of rehabilitation. -
2:30 - 2:34Now, I suspect that most of you
haven't been to prison before. -
2:34 - 2:35(Laughter)
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2:35 - 2:38So let me explain a bit how it works.
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2:38 - 2:42After receiving a sentence by the court,
you enter the corrections system. -
2:42 - 2:46And we spend a lot of time interviewing
and assessing you when you get there -
2:46 - 2:49to determine whether you go
to a high- or a low-security prison. -
2:49 - 2:52And that is key.
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2:52 - 2:55Inmates are assigned to prisons
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2:55 - 2:57based upon how much we anticipate
they're going to misbehave -
2:57 - 2:58while they're there.
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2:58 - 3:00And what that means, unfortunately,
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3:00 - 3:02is they aren't assigned to prisons
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3:02 - 3:06based upon their specific needs
for rehabilitation and treatment. -
3:06 - 3:09If it's addiction that got you
in trouble in the first place, -
3:09 - 3:10cross your fingers and hope
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3:10 - 3:13that your prison has
addictions counseling and therapy -
3:13 - 3:15because it might not.
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3:15 - 3:18And then you're stuck there
at this prison for however long -
3:18 - 3:21without access to the right treatment.
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3:21 - 3:24This points to a fundamental problem
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3:24 - 3:27with our prison philosophy
in the United States. -
3:27 - 3:31Punishment is the foundation
of your prison experience -
3:31 - 3:34and the priority throughout.
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3:34 - 3:36Rehabilitation is an afterthought
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3:36 - 3:38and is only lightly sprinkled,
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3:38 - 3:40like seasoning on a steak,
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3:40 - 3:45on top of a system
whose core purpose is to punish. -
3:46 - 3:50And that is why I'm proposing a divorce.
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3:50 - 3:52A divorce that would once and for all
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3:52 - 3:57separate the practices of punishment
from rehabilitation, -
3:57 - 3:59creating two separate tracks:
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3:59 - 4:02one for those requiring retribution
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4:02 - 4:06and one for those requiring recovery
before they reenter society. -
4:07 - 4:11You may have heard of the revolving door
of the justice system. -
4:11 - 4:12When people talk about it,
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4:12 - 4:13what they're referring to
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4:13 - 4:17is the 95% of offenders
who will be released from prison -
4:17 - 4:19after serving their sentences
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4:19 - 4:25and the 67% who will return
back to prison for a new crime -
4:25 - 4:27within three years -
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4:27 - 4:29a cycle known as recidivism.
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4:30 - 4:31What if I told you
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4:31 - 4:37that 67% of your investments
would go belly-up within three years? -
4:38 - 4:40Or that 67% of your medical procedures
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4:40 - 4:43would need to be redone
within three years? -
4:43 - 4:46You'd probably find
a new financial advisor and a doctor -
4:46 - 4:49because there's no way
you would put up with these results. -
4:49 - 4:52But when it comes
to the correctional system, -
4:52 - 4:53we do.
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4:54 - 4:58Which is why we need a divorced,
two-track correctional system: -
4:59 - 5:03one for punishment
and one for rehabilitation. -
5:03 - 5:06Let's talk about track one:
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5:06 - 5:07punishment.
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5:08 - 5:13There is a population of offenders
in this world who are high-risk, -
5:13 - 5:16who demonstrate patterns
of criminal behavior, -
5:16 - 5:19who engage in serious misconduct,
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5:19 - 5:21and who have histories of violence.
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5:22 - 5:26And a system of punishment
and incapacitation is wholly appropriate. -
5:27 - 5:30That doesn't mean just locking them up
and throwing away the key. -
5:30 - 5:32For these violent and dangerous offenders,
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5:32 - 5:37it is appropriate to incarcerate
with access to just basic programs -
5:38 - 5:41in a strict prison environment.
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5:41 - 5:45Let's talk about our penal philosophy
in the United States. -
5:47 - 5:49Our system of punishment
can be traced back -
5:49 - 5:52to the penal philosophy
of the mid-1700s B.C. -
5:52 - 5:54in the Code of Hammurabi.
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5:55 - 6:00During his reign, he enforced
his now-infamous 282 laws, -
6:00 - 6:02a couple of which
you might be familiar with. -
6:03 - 6:08"If a man put out the eye of another man,
his eye shall be put out." -
6:08 - 6:09How about
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6:09 - 6:12"If a man knock out
the teeth of his equal, -
6:12 - 6:15his teeth shall be knocked out"?
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6:15 - 6:18Sounds a lot like "an eye for an eye,
a tooth for a tooth" -
6:18 - 6:20that showed up later in the Old Testament.
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6:20 - 6:24At its core, this is
a very retributive ideal -
6:24 - 6:26that shaped the way corrections
would later be established -
6:26 - 6:27in the United States.
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6:28 - 6:32Let's fast-forward
to pre-American Revolution times, -
6:32 - 6:34where there we see retribution's legacy
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6:34 - 6:38ingrained in the fabric
of the United States -
6:38 - 6:42through things like public whippings,
humiliations, mutilations, -
6:42 - 6:46and in some instances, even castrations.
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6:47 - 6:50Back then, crime was viewed
as a sin against God, -
6:50 - 6:53and responses to those violations
were often swift and brutal. -
6:54 - 6:57When we get to the early 19th century,
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6:57 - 7:00the system shifted
to reduce physical violence -
7:00 - 7:04while maintaining
a strict punishment structure. -
7:04 - 7:08The first penitentiaries in the U.S.
were based upon the religious idea -
7:09 - 7:13that solitary confinement,
forced silence, and hard labor -
7:13 - 7:15as well as penitence
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7:15 - 7:19would reform offenders
and make them change their behavior. -
7:19 - 7:23It wasn't even until the 1870s
that rehabilitation entered our prisons. -
7:23 - 7:27At that time, the correctional system
looked to the medical community -
7:27 - 7:29and how they were using
individualized treatment -
7:29 - 7:31as a means to cure patients.
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7:31 - 7:35If we treat patients
on a one-to-one basis to cure illness, -
7:35 - 7:40why couldn't we do something
with criminals and cure their criminality? -
7:40 - 7:43So prisons began using
rehabilitative techniques, -
7:43 - 7:45like psychotherapy and counseling,
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7:45 - 7:48treating criminal behavior
like a sickness, -
7:48 - 7:51which led to the establishment
of the nation's first reformatory -
7:51 - 7:53in Elmira, New York.
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7:53 - 7:57And that is why some of you
might be saying to yourselves, -
7:57 - 7:58"Exactly!
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7:58 - 8:01We do provide rehabilitation
in the system now. -
8:01 - 8:03Why do we need two separate tracks?"
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8:05 - 8:08To that, I call shenanigans.
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8:08 - 8:10(Laughter)
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8:10 - 8:12Because remember,
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8:12 - 8:15our correctional systems
were born of punishment, -
8:15 - 8:17forged through punishment,
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8:17 - 8:23and remain fundamentally rooted in ideals
that are directly connected to punishment. -
8:23 - 8:27And as such, rehabilitation
has never truly been attempted -
8:27 - 8:30separate and apart from punishment.
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8:30 - 8:35How is it we expect any
rehabilitative effort to be successful -
8:35 - 8:40when punishment was and still is
the core of the system? -
8:41 - 8:43Look, it would be like taking a taco
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8:43 - 8:46and jamming it in between
a couple of pieces of bread -
8:46 - 8:48and then calling it a sandwich.
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8:48 - 8:51Technically, it has
the elements of a sandwich, -
8:51 - 8:53(Laughter)
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8:53 - 8:56but at its core,
it's still a delicious taco. -
8:56 - 8:59(Laughter)
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9:00 - 9:03I came face to face
with this tension a few years ago -
9:03 - 9:06while touring a treatment program
at a local prison. -
9:06 - 9:09The program had uniformed
correctional staff members -
9:09 - 9:11to maintain security and control,
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9:11 - 9:12but also clinical specialists
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9:12 - 9:16to guide and facilitate
rehabilitation and behavior change. -
9:16 - 9:17As I was walking around,
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9:17 - 9:22I came across a couple of inmates
engaged in a nonviolent disagreement. -
9:22 - 9:24One of the goals of this program
was to teach inmates -
9:24 - 9:26how to better manage this type of conflict
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9:26 - 9:30so they could have those skills
before they exited the facility. -
9:30 - 9:32I watched as a clinician approached
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9:32 - 9:33and walked them through
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9:33 - 9:35this alternative way
to have this disagreement. -
9:35 - 9:37They tried it, the disagreement was fixed,
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9:37 - 9:39and everyone went on about their day.
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9:39 - 9:42I'd just seen behavior change
practice in action. -
9:43 - 9:45But then I noticed
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9:45 - 9:47there was a uniformed
correctional staff member, -
9:47 - 9:48higher ranking,
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9:48 - 9:49watching.
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9:49 - 9:53Being the organizational scientist,
I had to ask her what she thought. -
9:53 - 9:57She said, "These inmates
are given too much leeway. -
9:57 - 10:00They are not held accountable enough."
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10:00 - 10:01She told me,
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10:01 - 10:03"They are inmates, not patients."
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10:04 - 10:06Translation:
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10:06 - 10:08they're not getting enough punishment.
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10:09 - 10:10I wondered,
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10:10 - 10:12How would this disagreement
between these inmates -
10:12 - 10:16have been handled by this staff member
had that clinician not gotten there first? -
10:17 - 10:24And that, again, is why we need
a divorced, two-track correctional system: -
10:24 - 10:28one track for punishment
and one for rehabilitation. -
10:29 - 10:31I've mentioned punishment.
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10:31 - 10:33So let's talk about track two:
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10:33 - 10:35rehabilitation.
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10:36 - 10:41Fifty-three percent of offenders
are considered non-violent - -
10:42 - 10:47incarcerated for things like theft,
drug possession, and property crimes. -
10:48 - 10:51This group would follow
the rehabilitation track. -
10:51 - 10:53It is important to understand
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10:53 - 10:57that sentencing would mark
the end of punishment -
10:57 - 11:00and that decisions made
after the point of sentencing -
11:00 - 11:02would be directly and narrowly focused
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11:02 - 11:07on these individuals reentering
our communities, prepared for success. -
11:08 - 11:10In our current correctional system,
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11:10 - 11:12decisions about entry
into community programs -
11:12 - 11:14or for release from prison to parole
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11:14 - 11:18are often shaded
by how much time has been served. -
11:19 - 11:23Time served is punishment at its roots.
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11:24 - 11:25In this new structure,
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11:25 - 11:26criteria would be based
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11:26 - 11:29not on how much punishment
has been doled out -
11:29 - 11:32but whether the appropriate treatment
has been delivered -
11:33 - 11:36and drivers of criminal behavior,
like addiction, reduced. -
11:37 - 11:42This rehabilitation track would consist
of treatment-based facilities -
11:42 - 11:43where deep therapeutic approaches
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11:43 - 11:44can be used
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11:44 - 11:48without the contamination of retribution
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11:48 - 11:51and staffed by people specifically focused
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11:51 - 11:54on treatment, social work,
and behavioral health - -
11:55 - 11:59specialists whose attitudes,
skills, and beliefs -
11:59 - 12:01are aligned with things
like behavior change -
12:01 - 12:05and who are committed
to modeling the appropriate conduct -
12:05 - 12:08to help offenders reenter our communities.
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12:08 - 12:12Although this is a radical
paradigm shift in the U.S., -
12:12 - 12:15this type of rehabilitation is happening.
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12:16 - 12:19We just have to look to Norway
and their philosophical approach -
12:19 - 12:20as an example.
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12:20 - 12:25Now, I understand the valid criticisms
of comparing the U.S. to Norway. -
12:25 - 12:28We differ in size,
demographics, and history. -
12:28 - 12:32So let's focus on their prison philosophy.
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12:33 - 12:37Norway's correctional philosophy
is specifically focused on rehabilitation, -
12:38 - 12:41with the end goal that all inmates
will reenter society, -
12:41 - 12:44having reduced their risk to reoffend.
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12:45 - 12:51And it has allowed them to achieve
an astonishingly low 20% recidivism rate -
12:51 - 12:53compared to our 67.
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12:54 - 12:58Former prison governor
in Norway, Arne Nilsen, -
12:58 - 13:00similar to a warden here in the U.S.,
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13:00 - 13:02said,
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13:02 - 13:06"If we have created
a holiday camp here for criminals, -
13:06 - 13:07so what?
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13:08 - 13:10We should reduce the risk of reoffending
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13:10 - 13:11because if we don't,
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13:11 - 13:13what is the purpose of punishment,
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13:13 - 13:16except for leaning toward
the primitive side of humanity?" -
13:18 - 13:19He's right.
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13:20 - 13:25Now, this type of change
certainly won't happen overnight. -
13:26 - 13:28And we are not going to be
the next Norway tomorrow. -
13:30 - 13:32But a divorced,
two-track correctional system - -
13:33 - 13:34punishment and rehabilitation -
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13:34 - 13:37is a step in the right direction.
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13:38 - 13:44Ultimately, such a radical change
in our correctional system -
13:44 - 13:46will be difficult,
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13:46 - 13:48but not impossible.
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13:49 - 13:55It begins by questioning our beliefs
about what corrections is supposed to be, -
13:56 - 13:59by initiating conversations
in our communities -
13:59 - 14:01with like-minded people
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14:01 - 14:04but also with skeptics
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14:04 - 14:07as well as civic and community leaders,
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14:07 - 14:11and those responsible for shaping
and designing our correctional systems. -
14:12 - 14:16Structural change
requires collective action. -
14:17 - 14:23So I call on you to join me in envisioning
a radically different correctional system -
14:23 - 14:29where each track's purpose is specific
and independent of the other, -
14:29 - 14:32where practitioners can flourish
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14:32 - 14:37because they are aligned with the track
that they choose to work in, -
14:38 - 14:40and where you,
as members of the community, -
14:40 - 14:42have your expectations met
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14:42 - 14:45when it comes to punishment
and rehabilitation. -
14:46 - 14:51And where, finally, in this divorced,
two-track correctional system, -
14:51 - 14:55we will have drastically slowed
the ever-revolving door -
14:56 - 15:00and made our communities
safer for all of us. -
15:01 - 15:02Thank you.
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15:02 - 15:05(Applause)
- Title:
- The surprising reason our correctional system doesn't work | Brandon W. Mathews | TEDxMileHigh
- Description:
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In the United States, 67% of inmates released from prison will return having committed a new crime within three years. Simply put, the criminal justice system doesn't accomplish what it was designed to do. But why is it failing? Having worked in both punishment and rehabilitation, Brandon W. Mathews argues that the solution might be simpler than we thought.
Dr. Brandon Mathews is a passionate criminal justice professional with expertise in the development and implementation of innovative evidence-based correctional treatment and supervision programs. Brandon is an active researcher with the Alliance for Criminal Justice Innovation, publishing on topics like recidivism reduction, structured decision-making, risk assessment, and criminal justice education.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx
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