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For years, Jon,
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you had your children on TV ,
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on a reality show.
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But suddenly,
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when it's no longer
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'Jon and Kate plus 8',
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it's 'Kate plus 8',
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you suddenly have a problem with it,
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and you want it to all come to an end,
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and I don't believe that.
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Uh, regardless of the timing,
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I'm their father and
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I will do what's best for my children.
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(Lawyer trying to interrupt)
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- The timing is irrelevant.
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Oh, you got your lawyer here?
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You're afraid to answer questions?
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Whatever.
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What's important is the children,
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and not these two self-absorbed
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husband and wife
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who argue constantly
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in front of their children.
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(Jon) Exactly. That's why
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they're coming off the television.
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(Lawyer) That's why the show's coming to a stop.
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(Nancy) Why don't you just quit arguing
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and work on your marriage?
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Wouldn't that be a better idea?
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And go right back to the happy family?
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(Jon) If I could get Kate to mediate and talk
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we could do that.
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-You've been to therapy together once,
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and have not been back,
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but you want to go back with Kate, right?
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(Jon) Yes.I would love to go to mediation
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I would love to be 'mom and dad'
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we're not gonna be husband and wife
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(Nancy) Hey, you talk the talk,
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but you don't walk the walk.
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Jon interrupting-Actions speak louder than words.
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(Nancy) because you can't go out with
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one twenty-two year old after the next,
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while she's at home with the children,
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and say you want to work it out.
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That's not workin' it out, Jon Gosselin.
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-In light of the allegations
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and everything that's gone on
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in the past week alone,
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should the kids be in therapy?
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(Nancy)It's not so much
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that they need to go to therapy,
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as Jon and Kate need to go into therapy,
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and learn to quit arguing
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and set a good example for the children.
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-How do you feel?
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Do you feel like your kids need therapy?
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Are you seeing any problems?
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(Jon) Well I'm not a professional,
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but the hardest thing I ever did
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was tell them we're getting divorced.
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-I'm gonna say get the babies therapy
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because you never know,
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the effects of this could be far-reaching.
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and.. and you know,....
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(Jon) You don't know until you're an adult
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and sometimes it's too late.
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-Exactly.
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And that's what happened to me.
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I'm learning.. I mean, my father, his father,
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I'm learning to break the pattern.
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I mean, I know I was passive,
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I know I was an avoider,
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(Nancy) Why is this always about you?
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Why are we talking about you?
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She asked you about your children.
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(Lawyer) Because he's an important part of his children.
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(Nancy) Can he even speak without you piping in?
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(Nancy) I'd like to hear why does it
always get back to you?
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(Jon) I don't know. ..I just..I just thought
you know, you needed insight.
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(Nancy) Well that's a good place to start.
Captioned with help from Laura Pierce