Is China Behind the Woke Right? | Interview with James Lindsay

woke woke woke how much of this is

backed by China and what is China's

ultimate

goal welcome to China uncensored I'm

Chris Chapel in the 20th century the

Soviet Union directed its agents to

subvert America by dumbing down

education by turning peaceful protests

violent and adding fuel to already

divisive issues like the Vietnam war in

the 21st century the Chinese Communist

party has taken up the mantle on one

hand they're supporting things we in

America might call a progressive agenda

or woke on the other hand they pretend

to be based like when they released the

popular video game black myth Wukong and

demanded that content creators don't

promote

feminism it might seem like that makes

no sense why support both sides well

it's because their purpose is something

else entirely Matt Shelly and I sat down

to talk about this with Dr James Lindsay

he's an author political commentator and

founder of the website and podcast new

discourses and he joined us on the

latest episode of our China unscripted

podcast I think you guys saw the other

day on Twitter that for whatever reason

a Chinese bot troll whatever it is

definitely a a pro-china account started

putting out Pro woke right stuff and

then I called the account out on putting

out Pro like oh my God this you know

blatantly pro-china account is putting

out Pro wok right so the the account is

like saying all this Pro white woke

right stuff and so what I do is I go

over and look at its bio and it's like I

am friend to China with a Chinese flag

like China is great and then I'm like

why is this woke right account pushing

China uh or sorry why is this pro-china

account pushing woke right so I say that

and he's like five reasons Number One

China is pro- family number two China

doesn't do cuck leftwing stuff you know

and it's like written like a Chinese to

English so the Chinese why do I bring

that up because that's one dude on

Twitter one one troll account on Twitter

right one propaganda account I really

shouldn't call it a troll it's a

propaganda account from the Chinese

government why why would what is that

what is that signal that signals that

the Chinese have an interest in running

these influence operations and have had

this interest now you can combine that

with the fact so that's one guy on

Twitter or one bot account or whatever

it is one troll account probably some

dude in prison trying to work off a

sentence in China actually um so what

because that's how cool the CCP is so

and that's OB obviously uh sarcasm on

the word cool um they're evil so what

what does that signal well the Chinese

have a $16 billion a year military

budget to do influence campaigns on

Western speak and Western countries and

English-speaking countries $16 billion

dollars a year primarily the United

States of America so if you think that

there's just one of those accounts

you're out of your mind they're all over

the place so the Chinese basically have

figured out the CCP has figured out how

to pour gasoline on all of this now the

question is how much of this is

maoism well some um these are maist

techniques that they're using that kind

of divide the population you know

there's the right side of the issue

wrong side of the issue and the only

valid people are on the right side of

the issue and everybody else it's like

they are trash they don't have a soul

that was actually a Mal quote to have

the wrong political orientations like

not having a soul we do the whole um

politics of compliance divide and

conquer game that the maoists did so

these are maist techniques but the fact

of the matter is that there is an

overarching goal as well

and this is going to ENT play on both

sides that overarching goal is that the

system you see in China which I will

refer to henceforth as the China model

which is derived from not maai dong

thought but dong sha ping Theory so dung

shaing wasn't the immediate successor

but the ultimate successor to mauo after

he died in the 70s and um he had a

completely different model which

literally hybridized communism and

fascism in order to have productivity in

China be Unleashed and that's the model

that he helped get built out with Henry

Kissinger as it turns out and David

Rockefeller and lots of bad Americans um

but this model has become the it was

beta tested in China following Mao's

death with the intention of making it

the model for the whole world now we

copy this with our ESG proposals so what

you'll find is that these Fellas on the

woke right are always talking about

stupid cultural issues and wanting to

clamp down on power to have stupid

cultural

agendas but they don't talk about ESG

they don't actually talk about the real

problems that are actually causing this

ESG was developed at the United Nations

was picked up in conjunction with the

world economic forum and obviously Black

Rock has become the point runner on that

with the with also Vanguard State Street

and the other huge uh passive investment

firms and what they are doing is forcing

the Chinese economic model onto the west

but they're doing so in a way that

actually hamstrings the West in its

ability to compete with China while uh

advantaging China and actually pouring

money into CH so we have these woke

right guys running around blathering

about cultural issues that mostly would

go away if we just turn the propaganda

machine off in other words repeal the

Smith month modernization act they're

running around blathering about these

cultural issues as though that's the you

know the root of the problem when the

root of the problem is actually that

there's a CCP un World economic Forum

Alliance to try to destroy our freaking

country it's a completely different

problem and the goal is to install the

Chinese system throughout the world and

also to crash the Western model and

who's going to rise to through that

bricks and which trolls are the ones

that are out on the internet defending

the woke right stuff bricks trolls it's

almost all bricks stuff it's almost all

pro bricks well bricks is funny because

the Chinese aren't stupid they're the

most conniving people on the planet the

CCP people are awfully strategic they're

cunning like Mar what like ma was

cunning do you think Russia is going to

be allowed to come out on top in bricks

no bricks breaks the west and then once

once the west through breaking the US

dollar and once the West is broken china

betrays every one of them and becomes

the global hedgemon this is actually a

very very simple model to see how it's

going to work it won't be

Brazil yeah right yeah South Africa

maybe maybe South Africa is gonna like

Run the World um or India yeah right um

I wonder which country is actually I

mean there's there would be a showdown

between China and Russia but Chinese are

more numerous the Chinese are more

advanced chinesee have a far far bigger

economy uh that's not really that tricky

to see how that goes unless it just goes

to nuclear war um in which case you know

game over um so not a pretty picture

here right and those are the trolls

supporting the woke right and the goal

is to install this Chinese system that

the woke right don't even oppose and

they distract us from dealing with by

blathering on about whether or not

people have like strong enough

eschatological views about Christianity

in the right way it's like holy crap

what are you doing what are we doing why

is this such a huge issue and it's it's

not just uh like these these troll

accounts on Twitter I think a great

example of this is uh black myth Wukong

the the video game made in China by

funded by tens Cent lots of State

connections there and they pushed that

and you had so many people online saying

this message that oh this game isn't

woke this game like they put out

messages saying don't talk about

feminism when you're playing this game

and it just feeds into this anti-woke

left messaging and people suddenly

people are like hey you know at least

China isn't uh you know drag queen Story

Hour oh I see those arguments all the

time I see them Pro Russia and I see in

Pro China and then we come back to the

to the Crux of that bricks right so I'm

watching like right-wing accounts on

Instagram like big influencers on

Instagram with hundreds of thousands

which is a lot on Instagram hundreds of

thousands of followers post in videos of

like Russian women talking about how the

state pays all of their bills the state

pays you know they three years or five

years or three years I think of full

maternity leave and how the state pays

for it the state pays you to have

children the state does this the state

does that the state does this I'm like

that's friend family-friendly socialism

why are you sharing pro-russian

socialist propaganda to an American

based conservative audience that's

appealing to this like pro-natalist view

that goes against the anti-natalist view

like holy crap what is going on right so

that's blatant Russian propaganda that

I'm seeing almost every day if I open my

freaking Instagram they don't see as

much of that specifically on Twitter but

I see tons of pro Putin stuff I see tons

of pro- Russia stuff um people are not

as eager to be pro-china explicitly but

they will jump in and say things like

what you said you know that at least

they are you know against the woke left

at least they understand that the woke

left is the problem and it's like

gentlemen

they are playing you they are playing

you that is called playing both ends

against the middle that is an old tactic

and um they are playing you hard and so

yeah this is I mean I don't know how

much of this is propped up by China

influ Chinese influence money but I

would best bet it's a a fair amount I

know that there are American funders I

am virtually certain there were Russian

funders given how much of it's anti-jew

I would be shocked if they're not qari

funders and other Middle Eastern funders

this stinks of gigantic foreign

influence off to split the right at an

extremely important and also very

vulnerable moment given we all know

they're going to make the Trump

Administration as hard for Trump as

possible with if they can't create

domestic crises they're going to create

World crises so he's constantly busy

can't deliver on his domestic agenda and

meanwhile we have this problem going on

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