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[BAND PLAYING]
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[BAND CONTINUES PLAYING]
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[MEN SINGING IN GERMAN]
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[CAR HORN HONKING]
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I didn't know it was so bad.
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Couple of incendiaries,
-
these old buildings go up like cellophane.
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There's a wall that separates
the old section of Nuremberg from the new.
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Goes back to…
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How far does it go back, Schmidt?
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1219, sir.
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1219.
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This is where the Nazi Party
held their rallies, isn't it?
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They all came here.
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Hitler. Goebbels. The whole crew.
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Thousands of them, from all over Germany.
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[HONKING]
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Does he have to blow
that damn horn so much?
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It's not necessary
to blow the horn so much, Schmidt.
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You both know your duties?
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[BOTH AGREEING]
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Well, here we are.
A little bit of old Germany.
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-Senator Burkette.
-Captain.
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Captain Byers, this is Judge Haywood.
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Byers here will be your aide.
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My what?
-
Clerk. General guide. Liaison.
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Any capacity you wish to use me in.
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Oh.
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This will be your staff, sir.
Mr. And Mrs. Halbestadt.
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Hello.
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Good afternoon.
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Good afternoon, Your Honor.
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Welcome.
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BYERS: You've already met your driver,
Schmidt.
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I am at your service, sir,
any time you need me. Day or night.
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Thanks.
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Let's show him around
the rest of the place. Dan?
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We're in the, uh, reception room.
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Living room. Study is in there.
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There are two bedrooms
on this floor, three upstairs.
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Furniture is part antique, part U.S. Army.
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The piano's showing
signs of wear and tear,
-
but it's a genuine Bechstein.
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Quite a view, isn't it, sir?
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Yes.
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Uh, Senator, I really,
really don't need all this.
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When the United States
government does something,
-
it does it right. You know that, Dan.
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Who used to live here?
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An important Nazi
general and his wife, sir.
-
Well, let's see. Is there anything
else Judge Haywood ought to know?
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Sir, are there any questions?
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Yes. Yes.
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You're West Point, aren't you, Captain?
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Yes, sir.
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What's your first name?
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Harrison. Harry.
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Well, Harry, look, I'm not West Point.
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And all this formality
kind of gets me down a little,
-
not to say puts me ill at ease.
-
Uh… Uh, do you think it would be too
much an infraction of the rules
-
if you were to call me Judge,
or Dan, or something?
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Okay, Judge.
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We do all our shopping
at the army commissary.
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There isn't enough food
at the local markets for the Germans.
-
The driver knows where the commissary is.
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Here's a copy of the
indictment of the case.
-
-I thought you might want to look it over.
-Oh, thanks.
-
I hope you'll be comfortable here, sir.
-
Captain, I think the whole state of Maine
would be comfortable here.
-
My office is next to yours at the
Palace of Justice if you need anything.
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Thank you.
-
Senator?
-
Do you… Do you think
I really need the three servants?
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It kind of makes me feel like a damn fool.
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Well, it helps them out, as well as you.
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You see, here they eat.
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Oh.
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Well, I need three servants.
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It's good to have you here, Dan.
-
Good to have a man of your stature here.
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Sure. Sure.
-
I was the only man
in America qualified for this job.
-
Senator, you know I wasn't the
first choice, nor even the 10th.
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You know it, and I know it.
-
What do you mean?
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Well, let's face it.
-
Hitler is gone, Goebbels is gone.
-
Goering is gone. Committed suicide
before they could hang him.
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Now we're down
to the business of judging the doctors,
-
businessmen and judges.
-
Some people think
they shouldn't be judged at all.
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So?
-
So it makes for a hell
of a lack of candidates for the job.
-
You had to beat the backwoods of Maine
-
to come up with a hick like me.
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I hope you're not sorry you came.
-
No. I'm not sorry I came.
-
I just wanted you to know that
I know where the body is buried.
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No, I think the trials should go on.
-
Especially the trials
of the German judges.
-
I hope I'm up to it.
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You're up to it.
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Well, relax.
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Thanks.
-
Enjoy this place while you can.
-
You're going to be a pretty busy fellow.
-
Well, thanks, Senator.
Thanks for everything.
-
See you tomorrow, Judge.
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Right.
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Shall we, uh, take these upstairs?
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Oh, yes, yes. Thank you.
-
Here, I can take that…
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No, let me take it. Please.
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[CAR HORN HONKING]
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[INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS]
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[INAUDIBLE]
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MAN: Here they come.
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[CONVERSATIONS STOP]
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The tribunal is now in session.
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God bless the United States
and this honorable tribunal.
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The tribunal will now arraign
the defendants.
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The microphone will be placed
in front of the defendant,
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Emil Hahn.
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Emil Hahn?
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Are you represented
by counsel before this tribunal?
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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Not guilty.
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The question was, are you represented
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by counsel before this tribunal?
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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I am represented.
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How do you plead
to the charges and specifications
-
in the indictment against you?
Guilty or not guilty?
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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Not guilty on all counts.
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Fried rich Hoffstetter?
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Are you represented
by counsel before this tribunal?
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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I am represented.
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How do you plead? Guilty or not guilty?
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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HAYWOOD: You may be seated.
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Werner Lammpe?
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Are you represented
by counsel before this tribunal?
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Counsel?
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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Yes. Yes, of course. I am represented.
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How do you plead to the charges?
Guilty or not guilty?
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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You may be seated.
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Ernst Janning?
-
Ernst Janning, are you
represented by counsel
-
before this tribunal?
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Ernst Janning, are you represented
by counsel before this tribunal?
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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I represent the defendant, Your Honor.
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How do you plead to the
charges and specifications set forth
-
in the indictment against you?
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Guilty or not guilty?
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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Your Honor, may I address the court?
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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The defendant does not
recognize the authority of this tribunal
-
and wishes to lodge
a formal protest in lieu of pleading.
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A plea of "not guilty" will be entered.
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The prosecution will begin
its opening address.
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Slow and easy, junior.
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The case is unusual
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in that the defendants
are charged with crimes
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committed in the name of the law.
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These men, together with their
deceased or fugitive colleagues,
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are the embodiment
of what passed for justice
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during the Third Reich.
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The defendants served as judges
during the period of the Third Reich.
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Therefore, you, Your Honors,
as judges on the bench,
-
will be sitting in judgment
-
of judges in the dock.
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And this is as it should be.
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For only a judge knows how much more
a court is than a courtroom.
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It is a process and a spirit.
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It is the house of law.
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The defendants knew this, too.
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They knew courtrooms well.
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They sat in their black robes,
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and they distorted, they perverted,
-
they destroyed justice and law in Germany.
-
Will the prosecution
please watch the light?
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The interpreter cannot follow you.
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I'm sorry, Your Honor.
-
They distorted, they perverted,
-
they destroyed justice and law in Germany.
-
Now, this in itself
is undoubtedly a great crime.
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But the prosecution
is not calling the defendants
-
to account for violating
constitutional guarantees
-
or withholding due process of law.
-
The prosecution is calling them to account
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for murder,
-
brutalities,
-
torture,
-
atrocities.
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They share with all
the leaders of the Third Reich
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responsibility for the most malignant,
the most calculated,
-
the most devastating crimes
in the history of all mankind.
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And they are perhaps more guilty
-
than some of the others.
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For they had attained maturity
-
long before Hitler's rise to power.
-
Their minds weren't warped
at an early age by Nazi teachings.
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They embraced the ideologies
of the Third Reich
-
as educated adults
-
when they, most of all,
-
should have valued justice.
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Well, here they'll
receive the justice they denied others.
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They'll be judged according to the
evidence presented in this courtroom.
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The prosecution asks nothing more.
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Herr Rolfe will make
the opening statement for the defense.
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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May it please the tribunal…
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[CONTINUES SPEAKING GERMAN]
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It is not only a great honor…
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But also a great challenge
-
for an advocate
-
to aid this tribunal in its task.
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The entire civilized world
-
will follow closely what we do here.
-
For this is not an ordinary trial
-
by any means of the accepted,
parochial sense.
-
The avowed purpose of this tribunal…
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Is broader than the visiting
of retribution on a few men.
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It is dedicated to the reconsecration
-
of the temple of justice.
-
It is dedicated to
finding a code of justice
-
the whole world will be responsible to.
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How will this code be established?
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It will be established…
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In a clear,
-
honest evaluation
-
of the responsibility for the crimes
-
in the indictment stated
by the prosecution.
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In the words of the great American
jurist, Oliver Wendell Holmes,
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"This responsibility will not
be found only in documents
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"that no one contests or denies.
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"It will be found in considerations
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"of a political or social nature.
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"It will be found, most of all,
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"in the character of men."
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What is the character of Ernst Janning?
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Let us examine his life for a moment.
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He was born in 1885.
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Received the degree
of Doctor of Law in 1907.
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Became a judge in East Prussia in 1940.
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Following World War I he became
one of the leaders of the Weimar Republic
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and was one of the framers of
its democratic constitution.
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In subsequent years
he achieved international fame
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not only for his work as a great jurist,
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but also as the author of legal text books
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which are still used in universities
all over the world.
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He became Minister of Justice
in Germany in 1935.
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If Ernst Janning is to be found guilty,
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certain implications must arise.
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A judge does not make the laws.
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He carries out the laws of his country.
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The statement,
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"My country, right or wrong"
-
was expressed by a great American patriot.
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It is no less true for a German patriot.
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Should Ernst Janning
have carried out the laws of his country?
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Or should he have refused
to carry them out and become a traitor?
-
This is the crux of the issue
at the bottom of this trial.
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The defense is as dedicated
to finding responsibility
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as is the prosecution.
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For it is not only Ernst
Janning who is on trial here…
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It is the German people.
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The tribunal will recess
until further notification.
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[PEOPLE MURMURING]
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Yeah.
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If it's all right with you,
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Byers can file these briefs later.
-
Hmm.
-
That was quite a damning speech
by Colonel Lawson, wasn't it?
-
I wonder if those men in the dock
can really be responsible
-
for the things he
listed in the indictment.
-
Well, I've been here for two years,
and after you're here that long,
-
you find that responsibility
is not a cut-and-dried thing.
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What are you fellows up to
over the weekend?
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My wife and I are going to Liège.
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There's nothing in Liège. I've been there.
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My son was in the 101st.
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He's buried
in the American cemetery outside Liège.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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Oh, that's all right.
See you Monday, Dan.
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Hmm.
-
Coming my way?
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No, I'm going to stay here for a moment.
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I'm waiting for some records from Byers.
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Right.
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Here are the reports you asked for, sir.
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Oh, thank you.
-
Captain, do you think
you can get me a copy
-
of the books Ernst Janning wrote?
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There are quite a few of them.
-
I'd like all of them.
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And also a copy of the
Weimar Constitution.
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Do you think you can get that for me?
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-Yes, of course.
-Thank you.
-
How long have you been here, Captain?
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Two years.
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Two years? That's a long time.
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Yes, sir.
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Any friends?
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Sure.
-
German friends?
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Yes.
-
A girl?
-
Yes.
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Her parents were Nazis, but
she was eight years old when they came in.
-
I didn't ask you that.
-
I know. But maybe you were thinking it.
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It's natural to think about it.
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I thought if anybody was
going to indoctrinate her,
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-it might as well be me.
-[BOTH LAUGHING]
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Will there be anything else?
-
No, no, I think I'll just
take a walk around town on my own.
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Try the old section. Everyone stops
for a beer and a sausage there.
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Thank you.
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[TRAM BELL DINGING]
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[PEOPLE CLAMORING]
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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[BELLS CHIMING]
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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Do you understand English?
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Yes, a little.
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What did she say?
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She said, "Goodbye, grandpa."
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[MEN SINGING IN GERMAN]
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[HITLER SPEAKING GERMAN]
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[PEOPLE CHEERING]
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Are they treating you all right?
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JANNING: Yes.
They're treating me all right.
-
We still have some friends
-
who have contact
with the American authorities.
-
I can tell them
if they're not treating you all right.
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They're treating me all right.
-
Dr. Janning…
-
We are both in an embarrassing position.
-
I know you didn't want me as your counsel.
-
I know you didn't want anyone.
-
But I must tell you something.
-
Will you listen to me?
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Yes.
-
I intend to represent your case
-
with complete dignity.
-
There will be
-
no appeal to sentiment,
-
there will be no falling
at the mercy of the court.
-
The game
-
will be played according
to their own rules.
-
We'll see whether they have the courage
-
to sit in judgment on a man like you.
-
The way I see it,
-
the most important elements in the case
-
are the sterilization decrees,
-
and the Feldenstein-Hoffman affair.
-
Dr. Janning, I must tell you something.
-
I admired you
-
since I was a boy in the university.
-
It was because I thought
I might be able to achieve
-
some of the things you have done…
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That saw me through the war.
-
You have been somebody to look up to,
for all of us.
-
Is that all, Herr Rolfe?
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Yes.
-
Thank you.
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[DOOR CLOSING]
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Dr. Wieck, do you know the defendant,
Ernst Janning?
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Yes, I know him.
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LAWSON: Will you tell us in what capacity?
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We served
in the Ministry of Justice together,
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from 1929 till 1935.
-
Did you know him before that?
-
Yes.
-
He was a law student of mine.
-
-Did you know him well?
-Yes.
-
-Was he a protégé of yours?
-Yes.
-
Why?
-
He was always a man of great intelligence.
-
He was a man born
with the qualities of a great legal mind.
-
Dr. Weick, would you, uh,
-
would you tell us
from your own experience,
-
the position of the judge in Germany
-
prior to the advent of Adolf Hitler.
-
The position of the judge was
one of complete independence.
-
Mmm-hmm.
-
Now, would you describe the contrast,
if any,
-
after the coming to power
of National Socialism in 1933?
-
Judges became subject
to something outside of objective justice.
-
They became subject to what was necessary
-
for the protection of the country.
-
Would you explain this, please?
-
The first consideration of the judge
-
became the punishment
of acts against the state,
-
rather than objective
consideration of the case.
-
And what other changes were there?
-
The right to appeal was eliminated.
-
The supreme court of the Reich
was replaced by
-
people's and special courts.
-
The concept of race was made
a legal concept for the first time.
-
And what was the result of this?
-
The result?
-
The result was to hand over
the administration of justice
-
into the hands of the dictatorship.
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LAWSON: Now, Dr. Wieck…
-
Colonel Lawson,
I would like to ask a few questions.
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Did the judiciary protest these
laws abridging their independence?
-
A few of them did.
-
Those who did resigned,
or were forced to resign.
-
Others…
-
Adapted themselves to the new situation.
-
Do you think the judiciary was aware
of the consequences to come?
-
At first, perhaps not.
-
Later it became
clear to anyone who had eyes and ears.
-
Thank you.
-
Now, would you please describe for us
-
the changes in criminal law?
-
It was characterized by
-
an ever-increasing inflation
of the death penalty.
-
Sentences were passed against defendants
-
just because they were Poles, or Jews,
-
or politically undesirable.
-
Novel National Socialist measures
were introduced.
-
Among them,
-
sexual sterilization for those
who were categorized as asocial.
-
Did it become necessary for judges
-
to wear any distinctive mark
on their robes in 1935?
-
The so-called Fuehrer's decree
-
required judges to wear the insignia
-
of the swastika on their robes.
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Did you wear such an insignia?
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No.
-
I would have been ashamed to wear it.
-
Did you resign in 1935?
-
Yes, sir.
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Did Ernst Janning wear
a swastika on his robe?
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WIECK: Yes.
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LAWSON: That's all. Thank you.
-
Herr Rolfe.
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[SPEAKING GERMAN]
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You used the phrase, "What was necessary
-
"for the protection of the country."
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Will you explain for the tribunal
the conditions in Germany
-
at the time National Socialism
came to power?
-
What conditions?
-
Would you say
there was widespread hunger?
-
Yes.
-
Would you say there was internal disunity?
-
Yes.
-
Was there a Communist Party?
-
Yes.
-
Was it the third largest party in Germany?
-
Hmm, yes.
-
Would you say
-
that National Socialism
helped to cure some of these conditions?
-
Yes, but at a terrible price and I…
-
Please confine yourself
to answering the questions only.
-
Therefore, was it not possible
-
that a judge might wear a swastika
-
and yet work for what he
thought was best for his country?
-
No. It was not possible.
-
Dr. Wieck…
-
You were not in the administration
-
from the years 1935 to 1943
-
by your own admission.
-
Is it not possible
that your view of the administration
-
might be distorted?
-
No. It is not.
-
How… How can you testify about
what was going on in the administration
-
if you were not there?
-
I had many friends
in the legal administration.
-
There were journals and books.
-
From journals and books?
-
I see.
-
Dr. Wieck, you referred to,
-
"Novel National Socialist
measures introduced,
-
"among them sexual sterilization."
-
Are you aware that sexual sterilization
-
was not invented by National Socialism,
-
but had been advanced
for years before as a weapon
-
in dealing with the mentally
incompetent and the criminal?
-
WIECK: Yes. I am aware of that.
-
Are you aware that it has advocates
-
among leading citizens
in many other countries?
-
I am not an expert on such laws.
-
Then permit me to read one to you.
-
This is a high court opinion
-
upholding such laws in existence
in another country.
-
And I quote…
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"We have seen more than once
that the public welfare
-
"may call upon
the best citizens for their lives.
-
"It would be strange indeed,
if it could not call upon those
-
"who already sapped the strength
of the state for these lesser sacrifices
-
"in order to prevent
our being swamped by incompetence.
-
"It is better for all the world
-
"if, instead of waiting
to execute degenerate offsprings for crime
-
"or to let them starve
for their imbecility,
-
"society can prevent their propagation
-
"by medical means in the first place.
-
"Three generations of imbeciles
are enough."
-
Do you recognize it now, Dr. Wieck?
-
No, sir, I don't.
-
Actually, there is
no particular reason you should,
-
since the opinion upholds
the sterilization law
-
in the state of Virginia,
of the United States,
-
and was written and delivered
by that great American jurist,
-
Supreme Court Justice,
Oliver Wendell Holmes.
-
Now, Dr. Wieck.
-
In view of what you have just learned,
-
can you still say that
sexual sterilization
-
was a novel National Socialist measure?
-
Yes, I can say it.
-
Because it was never before used
-
as a weapon against political opponents.
-
Do you personally know of a case
-
where someone was sterilized
for political reasons?
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WIECK: I know that such things were done.
-
That's not the question.
-
Please answer the question.
-
Do you know of a case?
-
I don't know of any specific case,
or specific date…
-
I am asking you if you have any firsthand,
-
personal knowledge of such a case!
-
No, I have no such personal knowledge.
-
Thank you.
-
Dr. Wieck…
-
You are aware
-
of the charges
in the indictment against Ernst Janning?
-
Yes, I am.
-
Can you honestly say
he is responsible for them?
-
Yes, I can.
-
Do you consider yourself
free of responsibility?
-
Yes, I do.
-
Dr. Wieck,
-
did you ever swear
to the Civil Servant Loyalty Oath of 1934?
-
Your Honor, I object.
-
The witness doesn't have
to answer that question.
-
He's not on trial.
-
All Germany is on trial, Your Honor.
-
This tribunal placed it on trial
when it placed Ernst Janning on trial.
-
If responsibility is to be found,
-
the widest latitude is to be permitted.
-
Objection overruled.
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Did you ever swear
to the Civil Servant Loyalty Oath of 1934?
-
Everyone did.
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ROLFE: We are not interested
in what everyone did.
-
We are interested in what you did.
-
Would you read the oath
from the Reich Law Gazette, March, 1933?
-
"I swear that I shall be obedient
-
"to the leader of the German Reich
and people, Adolf Hitler.
-
"That I shall be loyal to him,
that I will observe the laws,
-
"and that
I will conscientiously fulfill my duties,
-
"so help me God."
-
Everyone swore to it.
-
It was mandatory.
-
Yes.
-
But you're such
a perceptive man, Dr. Wieck.
-
You could see what was coming.
-
You could see that National Socialism
-
was leading Germany to disaster.
-
"It was clear to anyone
who had eyes and ears."
-
Didn't you realize
-
what it would have meant
if you, and men like you,
-
would have refused to swear to the oath?
-
It would have meant
-
that Hitler could never
have come to absolute power.
-
Why didn't you?
-
Dr. Wieck, why didn't you?
-
Can you give us an explanation?
-
Has it something to do with your pension?
-
Did your pension mean more to you
than your country?
-
Your Honor, Your Honor!
-
I object to the entire
line of questioning,
-
and ask that it be
stricken from the record.
-
I thought prosecuting counsel
-
was dedicated to finding responsibility.
-
Your Honor, I made an objection.
-
Prosecution is not interested
in finding responsibility?
-
There is responsibility for more here
-
than swearing to a loyalty oath
and you know it.
-
-There is indeed.
-Order.
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LAWSON:
One thing that even the German machine,
-
with its monumental efficiency
-
has been unable to destroy… Order. Order!
-
All the victims.
-
More victims than the world
has ever known.
-
They will walk into this courtroom…
-
Order! Order!
-
This tribunal will admonish both counsel.
-
It will tolerate nothing
of this kind again.
-
We're not here to listen to outbursts
of this kind, but to serve justice.
-
Your Honor, I made an objection.
-
The objection is overruled.
-
The witness is excused.
-
Did you ever read any books by Janning?
-
No, I don't think so.
-
The Meaning of the Law.
-
How is it? Interesting?
-
All the books by Janning are interesting.
They're more than that.
-
They're a picture of an era,
its hopes, its aspirations.
-
They weren't very different
from ours, really.
-
Listen to this, on the signing
of the Weimar Constitution,
-
"Now we can look forward
to a Germany without guns and bloodshed,
-
"a Germany of justice,
where men can live instead of die,
-
"a Germany of purpose,
of freedom, of humanity,
-
"a Germany that calls
for the best in man."
-
Now, how could a man
who wrote words like these
-
be part of sterilizations and murders?
-
How could he be?
-
Dan, there are a lot of things
that happened here
-
that nobody understands.
-
I know.
-
But the prosecution is going to have to
prove every inch of its allegation
-
against a man like Janning
if I'm to pronounce sentence on him.
-
Well, gentlemen, I'm on my way.
Coming, Ken?
-
Right.
-
Well, there's just this business
-
on the curtailment of rights.
-
Tomorrow.
-
Dan, my wife is planning
a little get-together
-
tomorrow night at the grand hotel.
She wants you to come.
-
I thank you.
-
And she'd like to provide you
-
with some kind of female companionship.
-
[LAUGHS]
-
She has a feeling
that you might be lonely here.
-
Oh, no. No, thanks, Curtiss.
Thanks very much.
-
You know how these wives are.
They love to play cupid.
-
Yeah, well, I think I'll keep it stag.
-
All right. How about you, Ken?
-
Thanks. My wife and I
have an engagement. Good night.
-
Good night. Good night.
-
-Good night, Dan.
-Good night.
-
[DOOR CLOSING]
-
Mrs. Halbestadt, could I…
-
Hello.
-
Hello.
-
Your Honor, this is Madame Bertholt.
-
This is his Honor, Judge Haywood.
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MRS. HALBESTADT:
Madame Bertholt, this is her house.
-
Uh, she came to get
some of her belongings from the basement.
-
I didn't know she was coming here tonight.
-
This is my responsibility,
Mrs. Halbestadt.
-
I've been storing some of my things here
-
until I could get a room
large enough to keep them in.
-
I hope you don't mind.
-
No. No. Not at all.
-
You can examine
what I have here, if you like.
-
Of course not.
-
Then I'll just take these out.
-
-Thanks, Mrs. Halbestadt.
-Here. Let me help you.
-
No, no, no. I can manage all right.
-
I'll take these outside. Please.
-
Good night.
-
[SPEAKS GERMAN]
-
It's heavy.
It's full of books and pictures
-
things that mean nothing
to anyone but me.
-
Mr. Schmidt?
-
Your Honor.
-
Would you drive
Mrs. Bertholt home, please?
-
Yes, Your Honor.
-
I hope you're comfortable here.
-
Yes, I am. Very.
-
My favorite spot was always the garden.
-
Remind Mr. Halbestadt
to take good care of the rock garden.
-
You'll get a great deal
of pleasure out of it in summer.
-
I'll sit in front, thank you.
-
Good night.
-
Karolinenstrasse 115, please.
-
Yes, madam.
-
[ENGINE STARTING]
-
[WHISPERING IN GERMAN]
-
Sit down. Sit down.
-
Uh, Mrs. Halbestadt,
-
you worked for Mrs. Bertholt, didn't you?
-
Yes, Your Honor.
-
How long did she live here?
-
Madame Bertholt?
-
Oh, Madame Bertholt
and her family have lived here
-
for many generations, Your Honor.
-
Thank you.
-
MRS. HALBESTADT: Your Honor,
you came in here for something?
-
Oh, oh, yeah.
-
Well, I was just going
to make myself a sandwich.
-
Oh, we will make it for you.
-
We will make you anything you want.
-
No. No, it's nothing.
-
I always used to do it
for myself back home.
-
What would you like?
-
I have some ham
and cheese and liverwurst.
-
Cheese will be fine.
-
That's very kind of you.
-
Mr. Halbestadt,
-
what was it like,
uh, living under National Socialism?
-
What was it like?
-
Yes. I mean, uh… Uh, day to day?
-
You know, I know
many people at home like you.
-
You're good people. I believe that.
-
Uh,
-
what was it like for
you, living under Hitler?
-
Uh, we were not political.
-
Mr. Halbestadt and I are not political.
-
[SPEAKING GERMAN]
-
[SPEAKS GERMAN]
-
No, but, uh,
-
you must have been aware
of some of the events that were going on.
-
Many things were going on, Mr. Halbestadt.
-
There were parades.
-
Hitler and Goebbels came here every year.
-
What was it like?
-
We… We never attended meetings. Never.
-
[CHUCKLES]
-
I'm not trying to put you on trial.
-
I'm just, uh… I'm just curious.
I'd like to know.
-
Here's your sandwich, Your Honor.
-
Thank you.
-
You're welcome.
-
Thank you.
-
[SIGHING]
-
For instance, there was
a place called Dachau
-
which was not too many miles from here.
-
Did you ever know
what was going on there?
-
We knew nothing about it.
Nothing about it.
-
How… How can you ask if…
If we knew anything about that?
-
I'm sorry.
-
Your Honor, we are only little people.
-
We lost a son in the army
-
and our daughter in the bombing.
-
During the war we almost starved.
-
It was terrible for us.
-
I'm sure it was.
-
Hitler… Hitler did some good things.
-
I won't say he didn't do some good things.
-
He built the Autobahn.
-
He gave more people work.
-
We won't say he didn't do
some good things.
-
But the… The other things,
-
the things they say
he did to the Jews and the rest,
-
we knew nothing about that.
-
Very few Germans did.
-
And if we did know,
-
what could we do?
-
But Mrs. Halbestadt said you didn't know.
-
[CLEARS THROAT]
-
Mrs. Bertholt. How did…
How did, uh, she react to all this?
-
Oh, Madame Bertholt
is a very fine woman, Your Honor.
-
I'm sure she is. What about her husband?
-
He was in the army.
-
What happened to him?
-
He was one of the defendants
in the Malmedy case.
-
General Bertholt. Karl Bertholt.
-
He was executed, Your Honor.
-
Yes, I know that.
-
LAWSON: The document then states that
-
the photographer, Rudolf Lenz,
-
is requested to present himself
within two weeks
-
at one the hospitals mentioned below
-
for medical treatment.
-
Next, prosecution presents
affidavit document No. 488
-
which concerns the seamstress,
Anni Meunch.
-
Document reads as follows,
-
"District Court, Frankfurt am Main,
has decided the following,
-
"the seamstress, Anni Meunch, daughter of
Wilhelm Meunch is to be sterilized.
-
"She is therefore requested
to present herself within two weeks
-
"at one of the hospitals mentioned below.
-
"If she does not
take herself voluntarily,
-
"she will be taken by force."
-
Next, document no. 449,
-
interrogatories in the German
and English text
-
concerning the farmer's helper,
Meyer Eichinger.
-
Your Honor…
-
Defense objects
-
to introduction of these
repetitive documents.
-
According to the ruling
of the first tribunal,
-
such documents are not even admissible
-
unless supported by independent
evidence of their authenticity.
-
Objection sustained.
-
Your Honor, uh,
may I ask the defense a question?
-
HAYWOOD: Yes.
-
Would evidence on sterilization
-
be admissible if there were a witness?
-
Yes.
-
Thank you.
-
Prosecution calls the witness,
Rudolph Petersen.
-
Will you raise your right hand?
-
I swear by God,
the Almighty and Omniscient,
-
that I will speak the pure truth
-
and withhold and add nothing.
-
Yes, I do.
-
Will you please tell the court your full
name and place of residence?
-
Rudolph Petersen.
-
Frankfurt am Main, Gratweg Nummer 7.
-
LAWSON: When were you born, Mr. Petersen?
-
May 20, 1914.
-
And, uh, what is your occupation?
-
Baker's helper. I'm a baker's helper.
-
Are your parents living?
-
No.
-
Oh, what were the causes of their deaths?
-
Mr. Petersen, did they…
Did they die of natural causes?
-
Yeah, yeah, yeah, natural.
-
Mr. Petersen,
-
what political party
did your father belong to?
-
Communist. The Communist Party.
-
Uh-huh.
-
Now… Now think back.
-
Do you remember anything unusual
-
that happened to you
and your family in 1933,
-
before the Nazis came to power?
-
I mean, uh, anything of a violent nature.
-
Yeah. Yeah.
-
How old were you at the time?
-
19.
-
Would you please
tell the court what happened?
-
Uh, some…
-
Some S.A. men
broke into the house, our house…
-
And they broke the windows and the door,
-
and they called us traitors,
-
and they tried to… To beat up my father.
-
LAWSON: And what happened then?
-
Well, my brothers and I,
we went to help him.
-
And there was a fight,
-
and finally we got them
outside in the street
-
and we beat them up,
-
and turned them over to the police.
-
Did the police do anything about it?
-
-No.
-Why not?
-
It was then,
-
at the time of the…
Of the national elections.
-
LAWSON: Oh, you mean the time
the National Socialists
-
came to power?
-
Yeah.
-
Now, Mr. Petersen,
-
what happened after 1933,
-
after the Nazis came to power?
-
[SIGHING] I got a job on a farm,
-
but for the work,
to drive a truck, it was necessary.
-
I went to the city building
to apply for a license.
-
And what happened there?
-
They took me to an official.
-
Did you ever have any dealings
with this, uh, official before?
-
He was one of the men
-
who broke into our house that night.
-
What did he say to your application?
-
He said an examination
there would have to be.
-
Where was the examination to take place?
-
In the District Court of Stuttgart.
-
Who was the presiding
justice in the court?
-
Justice Hoffstetter.
-
Now, what happened in the courtroom?
-
Uh, they asked me my… My full name and…
-
And so forth.
-
What else did they ask you?
-
They asked me when Adolf Hitler
and Dr. Goebbels were born.
-
What did you reply?
-
I told them I didn't know,
and also that I didn't care.
-
[PEOPLE LAUGHING]
-
Did they, uh,
did they ask you any more questions?
-
No. They told me that I would be
hearing from them in 10 days.
-
I see. Now, Mr. Petersen,
-
I'd like you to look at something.
-
Do you recognize it?
-
Yeah.
-
Would you please read it for the tribunal?
-
"District Court of Stuttgart.
-
"The baker, Rudolph Petersen,
born May 20, 1914,
-
"son of railway employee, Hans Petersen…
-
"Is to be sterilized."
-
LAWSON:
Now would you read the last paragraph?
-
"It is therefore requested
-
"he present himself within two weeks
-
"to one of the hospitals mentioned below.
-
"If he does not
-
"betake himself voluntarily…
-
"He will be taken by force."
-
Now, please read the signature
at the bottom.
-
"Presiding Justice Hoffstetter."
-
Would you read
what is written below the signature?
-
Below?
-
LAWSON: Below.
-
"By authority of
-
"Ernst Janning,
-
"Minister of Justice."
-
Your Honor…
-
May the defense see the file
of Mr. Petersen?
-
What did you do after you
received the letter, Mr. Petersen?
-
I ran away.
I stayed at the farm of a friend I have.
-
And, uh, did you return?
-
Did I what?
-
Did you return?
-
Yes.
-
And what happened then?
-
The police came.
-
The police came.
-
Where did they take you?
-
To the hospital.
-
Uh, Mr. Petersen, excuse me.
-
I wonder if you could
speak a little louder, please.
-
To the hospital.
-
And what happened at the hospital?
-
They kept me there.
-
The, uh, the nurse who was…
-
Well, she came in, anyway.
-
She was to prepare me for the operation.
-
And she said she thought
the whole thing was terrible.
-
And then the doctor came in
who was supposed to do the…
-
And he said he thought it was awful.
-
Were you, in fact, sterilized?
-
LAWSON:
Thank you very much, Mr. Petersen.
-
That's all.
-
HAYWOOD: Herr Rolfe?
-
Mr. Petersen, [CLEARING THROAT]
-
You may take your earphones off now,
if you want to.
-
Mr. Petersen,
-
you say you work as a baker's helper?
Is that correct?
-
Yes, that is right.
-
What other occupations have you held?
-
I have worked for my father.
-
What did your father do?
-
He was a railroad worker.
-
Yes, but, uh, what did he do?
-
Oh, he would raise and lower the barrier
-
at the crossing, for traffic.
-
And you spoke about your brothers.
-
How many brothers do you have?
-
Five.
-
And sisters?
-
Four.
-
Then you are a family of 10?
-
Yes.
-
What occupations do your brothers have?
-
Laborers.
-
All laborers?
-
I see.
-
Mr. Petersen,
-
you said the court at Stuttgart
asked you two questions,
-
the birth dates of
Hitler and Dr. Goebbels.
-
Is that correct?
-
Yes, correct.
-
What else did they ask you?
-
Uh,
-
nothing else.
-
Are you sure?
-
Are you sure there were no questions
about your schooling?
-
LAWSON: Objection!
-
The witness has already
answered that question.
-
Objection sustained.
-
May I ask you,
-
Mr. Petersen…
-
May I ask you…
-
How long did you attend school?
-
Six years.
-
Six years? Why not longer?
-
[EXHALING]
-
I had to go to work.
-
Would you consider yourself
a very bright fellow at school?
-
School? It was a…
-
It was a long while ago. I don't…
-
Perhaps you were not able
to keep up with the others
-
and that's why you did not continue?
-
Objection, Your Honor.
-
The witness' school record has nothing to
do with what happened to him.
-
It was the task of the health court
-
to sterilize the mentally incompetent.
-
Objection overruled.
-
Were you able, or were you not able
-
to keep up with the others?
-
I would like to refer
to the efficiency report
-
made at the school about Mr. Petersen.
-
He failed to be promoted, and was
placed in a class of backward children.
-
You say your parents died
of natural causes.
-
Yes.
-
Would you describe in detail
the illness your mother died of?
-
She died of her heart.
-
In the last stages of her illness,
-
did your mother show
any mental peculiarities?
-
Uh, me… No. No.
-
In the decision
that came down from Stuttgart,
-
it is stated that your mother suffered
-
from hereditary feeble-mindedness.
-
That is not…
-
That is not true! Not true! Not true!
-
Can you give us
some clarification as to how
-
the hereditary health court in Stuttgart
-
arrived at that decision?
-
It was just something they said
-
to put me on the operating table.
-
It was just something they said?
-
Yes!
-
Mr. Petersen, there was a simple test
-
that the health court used to ask
in all cases of mental incompetence.
-
Since you say they did not ask you then,
-
perhaps you can answer it for us now.
-
Form a sentence out of the words
-
"hare," "hunter," "field."
-
Your Honor, objection.
-
Mr. Petersen…
-
Was the court in Stuttgart
constituted like this one?
-
I don't understand what…
-
Was there an audience?
-
An audience? Yes, yes.
-
Thank you.
-
Objection overruled.
-
"Hare," "hunter," "field."
-
Mr. Petersen…
-
Take your time.
-
"Hare," "hunter," "field."
-
[GRUNTS]
-
[CLEARING THROAT]
-
"Hare," "hunter."
-
They had already made up…
-
When I walked into the court,
they had made up their minds.
-
They had made up their minds!
-
They put me in the
hospital, like a criminal.
-
I could not say anything.
I could not do anything. I…
-
I had to lay there.
-
My… My mother,
-
what you say about her…
-
She was a woman,
a servant woman who worked hard.
-
She was a hardworking woman,
-
and it is not fair, not fair what you say.
-
Ah, here.
-
I want to show you.
I have here her… Her picture.
-
I would like you to look at it.
-
I would like you to judge.
-
I want that you tell me
-
was she feeble-minded?
-
My mother!
-
Was she feeble-minded?
-
Was she?
-
I feel it is my duty
to point out to the tribunal
-
that the witness
is not in control of his mental processes.
-
I know I am not. Since that day.
-
I've been half I've ever been.
-
The tribunal does not know
how you were before.
-
It can never know.
-
It has only your word.
-
[POUNDING GAVEL]
-
Court is adjourned.
-
[PEOPLE MURMURING]
-
That's one problem we have
with the prosecution.
-
It's filled with young
radicals like Lawson.
-
Is that what Lawson is? A young radical?
-
Well, he was a personal protégé of F.D.R.
-
Well, F.D.R. had a few friends
-
who weren't radicals, didn't he?
-
Name one.
-
Well, Wendell Wilkie.
-
Wilkie.
-
Is he your idea of a conservative?
-
As a matter of fact, Dan,
-
I've been wondering how you stand.
-
Well, I'll clarify that for you, Curtiss.
-
I'm a rock-ribbed Republican
-
who thought
that Franklin Roosevelt was a great man.
-
[PEOPLE CLAPPING]
-
Oh, one of those?
-
[LAUGHING]
-
Max!
-
Max Perkins. You know him?
-
No, I don't think so.
-
He's with the United Press.
-
Max, what are you doing here?
-
I thought you might
kick up a row or something.
-
I haven't had that much to drink.
-
Oh, I'm sorry, this is Judge Ives.
-
-Hello.
-Mrs. Ives.
-
-How do you do?
-How do you do?
-
MAX: Judge Haywood, Mrs. Bertholt.
-
We have met.
-
Yes, we have.
-
IVES: Won't you join us for a drink?
-
We would like to very much.
-
IVES: Max, will you sit here?
MAX: Thank you.
-
Incidentally, Max, I admired your article
on Mrs. Bertholt very much.
-
It was straight reporting. Her defense
of her husband was quite eloquent.
-
IVES: Are you going to do a story
on these trials?
-
I'll tell you something frankly, Judge.
-
At the moment, I couldn't give a story
away on the Nuremberg trials.
-
What do you mean, Mr. Perkins?
-
The American public
just isn't interested anymore.
-
But the war's only been over two years,
Mr. Perkins.
-
That's right.
-
May I take your order, please?
-
Yes. See what the ladies will have.
-
How about some more beer, Dan?
-
No, no, no.
I think I've had my fill of beer.
-
I'd like to try something else, if I may.
-
Why don't you try some Sonnenberg,
-
or Schwalbenwinkel? It's the local wine.
-
Sonnenberg or… Schwalbenwinkel.
-
Yes, I think I'd like that.
-
Some Schweissenwinkel.
-
Will you have some?
-
Yes, thank you. I'll have the same.
-
Should we stay with the beer, Max?
-
Fine.
-
Thank you, thank you.
-
You got home all right the other night?
-
Oh, yes, thank you.
-
I don't know
what I would have done without the car.
-
You speak, uh, English very well,
Mrs. Bertholt.
-
Thank you.
-
My husband and I
spent three years in America.
-
I hope you had a chance
to see something of Nuremberg.
-
Well.
-
Well, I'm afraid mainly the…
-
The road between my house
and the Palace of Justice.
-
Uh, and then some places
that have to do with the case,
-
the historical aspects.
-
The Nazi aspects.
-
You should see some
of the other parts of Nuremberg.
-
There are many beautiful things to see
in the old part of town.
-
Museums we're trying to rebuild.
-
And there's a concert, a piano concert,
-
next week at the old opera house.
-
Arthur Reiss.
-
He was a refugee from Hitler
in the early days.
-
We've persuaded him to come back.
-
It ought to be quite an evening.
-
Would you like to come?
-
Yes, I would.
-
I'll tell them to leave a ticket for you
at the box office.
-
I'm on the committee.
-
Thank you very much, Mrs. Bertholt.
-
Oh, it's nothing.
-
You see, I have a mission
with the Americans,
-
as Mr. Perkins can tell you.
-
Oh, what is that?
-
To convince you that
we're not all monsters.
-
-Good evening, Colonel.
-Good evening.
-
Colonel. Major Radnitz.
-
Good evening, Mrs. Bertholt.
-
I hope you'll excuse me.
-
But you've just come, Mrs…
-
No, I must go. Please excuse me.
-
It was awfully nice meeting you.
-
If you really want to hear the concert,
-
there'll be a ticket for
you at the box office.
-
-Thank you.
-Good night.
-
Good night.
-
Good night, Mrs. Bertholt. Max.
-
[LAUGHS]
-
Mrs. Bertholt doesn't hold
a burning passion for me.
-
I prosecuted her husband.
-
There are many people
who think a death sentence
-
would not have been passed
against General Bertholt today.
-
Oh, I'm sure there are.
-
I'm… I'm sure there are people who think
-
all the prisoners in Nuremberg
should be free today.
-
All of them. Let… Let…
-
Excuse me.
-
I've had, uh…
-
I've had one or two too many
-
as might be painfully obvious
to you gentlemen.
-
The spectacle this afternoon
-
with Mr. Petersen put me off my feed.
I'm sorry.
-
Three beers and Schwalbenwinkel, please.
-
[SPEAKS GERMAN]
-
Schwalbenwinkel.
-
Yeah, it's good beer.
-
They make it good in this country.
-
Mmm.
-
You know…
-
You know, there's, uh,
there's one thing about Americans.
-
We're not cut out to be occupiers.
-
We're new at it.
We're not very good at it.
-
We… We… We come over here,
and what do we see?
-
We see this beautiful country.
-
It is beautiful. It's very beautiful.
-
We see the culture
that goes back for hundreds of years.
-
We see its gemütlich charm,
-
and the charm of people like,
uh, Mrs. Bertholt.
-
We… We've got a built-in
inferiority complex.
-
We forgive and forget easy.
-
We give the other guy
the benefit of the doubt.
-
That's the American way.
-
[LAUGHING]
-
We beat the greatest war machine
-
since Alexander the Great.
-
And now the boy scouts take over.
-
The trouble with you, Colonel,
-
is you'd like to indict the whole country.
-
Now that might be
emotionally satisfying to you,
-
but it wouldn't be exactly practical,
and hardly fair.
-
Hardly fair?
-
"Hare."
-
"Hunter."
-
"Field."
-
That's right, let's be fair.
-
"The hare was shot
by the hunter in the field."
-
It's really quite simple.
-
Uh,
-
Colonel, I think we ought to be going.
-
Yes, we really shouldn't
be discussing this.
-
Oh, no, no, Judge.
-
We're fair Americans, and true-blue.
-
We mustn't do anything
that's out of order.
-
No, sir. We can't do anything
that's out of order.
-
There are no Nazis in Germany.
-
Didn't you know that, Judge?
-
The Eskimos invaded Germany
and took over.
-
That's how all those
terrible things happened.
-
It wasn't the fault of the Germans.
-
It was the fault of those damn Eskimos.
-
Excuse me. Excuse me.
-
Good night, Colonel.
-
Good night.
-
Can I have your attention, please?
-
I'm sorry to interrupt your dancing.
-
The following officers
are requested to report to their units.
-
Major McCarthy, Major Citron,
Major Cantor, Captain Byers,
-
Captain Connell,
Captain Douglas, Captain Wolfe,
-
Major Booth, and Major Rice.
-
Thank you. You can continue dancing.
-
[BAND STARTS PLAYING]
-
Harry, what is it?
-
The Russians have made their move
in Czechoslovakia.
-
It's rumored Masaryk committed suicide.
-
We're sending some units up there.
-
IVES: What do you think's gonna happen?
-
I don't know.
-
Uh, Judge Haywood…
-
Elsa Scheffler.
-
[SPEAKS GERMAN]
-
[SPEAKS GERMAN]
-
"President Truman responded to the crisis
-
"by calling for an extension
of military training.
-
"He stated that he is deeply concerned
-
"with the survival of the Western nations
-
"in face of the threat from the east."
-
"Threat from the east." [SCOFFS]
-
Herr Janning, did you hear this?
-
Herr Janning, did you hear
what's in the paper?
-
Exactly what Hitler said.
-
"The clash for survival
between east and west."
-
He knew, he knew!
-
They'll see that we knew
exactly what we were doing all the time.
-
They cannot call us criminals,
-
and at the same time ask us to help them.
-
We must stand together now.
-
The most crucial part of this case
is coming up.
-
We have fallen on happy times, Herr Hahn.
-
In the old times
it would have made your day
-
if I'd deigned to say good morning to you.
-
Now that we are here
in this place together,
-
you feel obliged to tell me
what to do with my life.
-
Herr Janning, you must stand with us.
-
It is not good for Germans
to turn on one another.
-
We have a common ground now.
-
Listen to me, Herr Hahn.
-
There have been terrible things
-
that have happened to me in my life.
-
But the worst thing that has ever happened
-
is to find myself
in the company of men like you.
-
I have nothing in common
with you and party hacks like you.
-
You have something in common.
-
You were part of that same regime.
-
You stood by that regime,
the same as the rest of us.
-
And there's something else
you have in common.
-
You are a German.
-
[PIANO PLAYING]
-
[INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS]
-
Good evening. Did you like it?
-
Oh, yes, I did, I did. Very much indeed.
-
Can I drop you?
-
I only live a few blocks from here.
-
I was going to walk.
-
Would you like to go for a walk?
-
Yes, yes, I would.
-
I won't need the car now.
I'll walk with Mrs. Bertholt.
-
You want me to wait for you, Your Honor?
-
No, no, that won't be necessary.
-
I'll wait for you, Your Honor.
-
[MEN SINGING IN GERMAN]
-
The German people love to sing,
no matter what the situation.
-
I've noticed that.
-
Do American people sing in bars, too?
-
I have forgotten.
-
No. We're apt to be pretty sullen in bars.
-
[SINGING IN GERMAN]
-
I wish you understood German.
-
The words are very beautiful.
-
Very sad.
-
Much sadder than the… The English words.
-
The German soldier knows
he's going to lose his girl
-
and his life.
-
The lantern burns every night.
-
It knows the steps
-
and the way you walk.
-
It burns every night,
but I've been long forgotten.
-
Should harm come to me…
-
Who will stand with you
-
under the lantern?
-
With you, Lili Marleen.
-
What is your life like in America?
-
Do you have a family?
-
Yes, I have a daughter,
and she has four children.
-
Four? You must be very proud of them.
-
Yes, I am. I admit it.
-
And where's your wife?
-
She died a few years ago.
-
Cigarettes?
-
How about you? Do you have children?
-
No, I don't.
-
What is your position in America?
-
It must be important.
-
No, it isn't, really.
I'm a District Court judge.
-
I haven't even been
that for the last year.
-
Are you retired?
-
Forcibly, by the electorate.
-
You elect judges in the United States?
-
Yes, in some states.
-
I didn't know that.
-
Well, it's either one of the virtues
-
or one of the defects
of our judiciary system.
-
I thought it was
one of the virtues until last year,
-
when I was defeated.
-
I'm sure it was the fault
of the electorate, not yours.
-
Seems to be some difference
of opinion about that.
-
This is where I live.
-
Here?
-
Yes. It's not so bad inside.
-
Would you like to come up?
-
I could make some coffee.
-
Yes, thank you.
-
Things haven't been
very easy for you, have they?
-
I'm not used to them being easy.
-
I'm not fragile, Judge Haywood.
-
I'm a daughter of the military.
-
You know what that means, don't you?
-
No, I'm afraid I don't.
-
It means I was taught discipline.
-
A very special kind of discipline.
-
For instance, when I was a child,
-
we used to go for long rides
into the country in summertime.
-
But I was never allowed to run
-
to the lemonade stand with the others.
-
I was told, "Control your thirst.
-
"Control hunger.
-
"Control emotion."
-
It has served me well.
-
And your husband?
-
Was he of that heritage, too?
-
My husband was a soldier.
-
He was brought up to do one thing,
-
to fight in the battle, and fight well.
-
Is the coffee all right?
-
Fine, thank you.
-
It's ersatz, but I always try
to make it strong.
-
It's fine.
-
I'm curious.
-
What do you think of Ernst Janning?
-
Mrs. Bertholt, I…
-
I really am not at liberty to discuss
the case outside of the courtroom.
-
Oh, yes, of course.
-
I knew Ernst Janning a little.
-
We used to attend the same concerts.
-
I remember there was a reception given
-
for Wagner's daughter-in-law.
-
Hitler was there.
-
Ernst Janning was there with his wife.
-
She was very beautiful,
-
very small, very delicate.
-
She's dead now.
-
Hitler was quite taken with her.
-
He made advances towards her
during the reception.
-
He used to do things like that
in a burst of emotion.
-
I will never forget the way
Ernst Janning cut him down.
-
I don't think anybody
ever did it to him quite that way.
-
He said, "Chancellor,
-
"I do not object so much
that you are so ill-mannered.
-
"I do not object to that so much.
-
"I object that you are such a bourgeois."
-
Hitler whitened,
stared at Janning, and walked out.
-
Is the coffee really all right?
-
Fine, thank you.
-
Men, like Janning,
-
my husband and I,
-
we hated Hitler. I want you to know that.
-
And he hated us.
-
He hated my husband
because he was a real war hero,
-
and the little corporal
couldn't tolerate that.
-
And he hated him because
he married into nobility
-
which was my family.
-
Hitler was in awe of the nobility,
-
but he hated it.
-
That's why it's so ironic, what happened.
-
You know what happened
to my husband, don't you?
-
Yes.
-
What did he know of the crimes
they cited him for?
-
He was placed on trial
with the other military leaders.
-
It was part of their revenge.
-
The victors always take on the vanquished.
-
It was political murder.
-
You can see that, can't you?
-
Mrs. Bertholt, I don't know what I see.
-
I probably shouldn't be here
-
talking with you about this at all.
-
But I want to understand.
-
I do want to understand.
-
I have to.
-
Would you like some more coffee?
-
Yes, thank you.
-
Hi.
-
Hi.
-
[SIGHING]
-
We found Irene Hoffman.
-
Where?
-
Berlin.
-
Berlin, huh?
-
She got married. Her name is Wallner now.
-
That's why we had difficulty locating her.
-
When is she coming?
-
She's not coming.
-
What do you mean, she's not coming?
-
She doesn't want to come.
-
You know what it's like.
-
None of them want to testify anymore.
-
If I catch the midnight,
-
I could make it to Berlin,
-
and be back by tomorrow afternoon.
-
Tad, you haven't had any sleep…
-
It'll be worth it if I can get Hoffman.
-
Take over for me in court
in the morning, will you?
-
WALLNER: Colonel, please!
-
I have told you this before,
when you first came in.
-
I say it again now.
-
We are through with all this.
-
She does not have to go,
you have no right to order her to go.
-
Mr. Wallner, I'm not ordering her to go.
-
I have no authority to order her to go.
-
Do you think we get a medal
-
for appearing at these trials?
-
The people do not like them.
-
They do not believe that Germans
-
should testify against other Germans.
-
Now, look, look, I…
I haven't been prosecuting these cases
-
for the past two years
without knowing that.
-
It is easy for you to say go.
-
After the trial
you will go back to America,
-
but we must stay here
and live with these people.
-
Mr. Wallner, don't you think
I realize what I'm asking?
-
Then how can you come in like the gestapo,
in the middle of the night…
-
Because they must not
be allowed to get away with what they did.
-
You really think
they won't get away with it in the end?
-
I say the hell with them,
and the hell with you.
-
Hugo.
-
Emil Hahn will be there?
-
Yes. In the dock.
-
Ernst Janning?
-
Yes.
-
You saw the store downstairs.
-
It's not much,
but it's a new start for us.
-
They will come if I go to Nuremberg.
-
They will come
and break the windows of the store.
-
I'll place a guard in front of the store,
24 hours a day.
-
You do not have to go, Irene.
-
-He has no right to ask you to go.
-You do have to go.
-
You have to go, for all those people
-
who can't get up there
on the stand themselves.
-
You do not owe it to anybody, Irene!
-
-Yes, you do!
-You do not owe it to anybody.
-
You owe it…
-
You owe it to one person, at least.
-
[CRIES]
-
In the night,
-
every night…
-
We've known somehow
it would come to this.
-
RADNITZ: Dr. Geuter,
do you recognize that headline?
-
GEUTER: Yes, sir.
-
Would you read it to the tribunal?
-
"Death to the race defiler."
-
In what newspaper did it appear?
-
In Julius Stretcher's Der Stürmer.
-
What was it in connection with?
-
The Feldenstein case.
-
What was the Feldenstein case?
-
Your Honor, defense objects to the
introduction of the Feldenstein case.
-
It is a notorious case,
perhaps the most notorious of the period.
-
It has overtones,
-
and appeals to emotion
that would perhaps be best not raised.
-
There are no issues or overtones
that may not be raised in this courtroom.
-
The tribunal is interested
in everything that is relevant.
-
Objection is overruled.
-
It's all right. I'll take it.
-
May it please the tribunal?
-
-You may continue.
-Thank you.
-
Now.
-
What was the Feldenstein case?
-
The case of a man
accused of racial pollution.
-
Will you explain what is meant
by "racial pollution"?
-
This is the, uh, charge that is referred
to in the, uh, Nuremberg laws.
-
It says that any non-Aryan
-
having sexual relations with an Aryan
may be punished by death.
-
When did you first become
acquainted with the Feldenstein case?
-
In, uh, September 1935,
I was contacted by the police.
-
They said that Mr. Feldenstein
was being held
-
and, uh, that he requested
that I serve as his counselor.
-
What position did he hold
in the community?
-
He was a very well-known merchant.
-
He was one of the heads
of the Jewish congregation in Nuremberg.
-
What was the nature
of the charge against him?
-
He was accused
of having intimate relations
-
with a 16-year-old girl, Irene Hoffman.
-
LAWSON: I see.
-
[INAUDIBLE]
-
And, uh, what did he say
to you about the case?
-
He said it was false.
-
He said he knew the girl
and her family a long time.
-
He'd gone to visit her since they died.
-
But there had never been anything
of the kind charged between them.
-
Now, Doctor, would you please tell
the tribunal what happened then?
-
He was indicted before the special court
at Nuremberg.
-
And where was this special court?
-
It was right here, this building.
-
This very courtroom.
-
Dr. Geuter,
-
what were the circumstances
surrounding the trial?
-
It was used as a show place
for national socialism.
-
It was the time
of the September celebrations,
-
the Nuremberg rallies.
-
The courtroom was crowded.
-
Back there, people were standing up.
-
Julius Stretcher was sitting
in one of the front seats.
-
And high officials
of the Nazi Party were all over.
-
LAWSON: Doctor, would you please tell us
-
what were your expectations
for the trial in this climate?
-
I expected the worst
-
when I saw that Emil Hahn was
the public prosecutor.
-
He was a fanatic.
-
His trials were always marked
by extreme brutality.
-
But I had one hope for the outcome…
-
Because sitting on the judge's bench
was Ernst Janning.
-
His reputation
was known throughout Germany.
-
He was known to have
dedicated his life to justice.
-
To the concept of justice.
-
LAWSON: Thank you. That's all.
-
Any questions?
-
Thank you. No questions.
-
HAYWOOD: The witness is excused.
-
The prosecution calls to the stand
Irene Hoffman Wallner.
-
Will you raise your right hand?
-
I swear by God,
the Almighty and Omniscient,
-
that I will speak the pure truth,
and will withhold and add nothing.
-
I do.
-
Will you please, uh, state
your name to the tribunal?
-
Irene Hoffman Wallner.
-
Mrs. Wallner,
-
did you know Lehman Feldenstein?
-
Yes.
-
When did you first meet him?
-
It was 1925 or 1926.
-
I am not sure exactly.
-
How old was he at this time?
-
He was in his 50s.
-
And how old was he
at the time of his arrest?
-
-He was 65.
-I see.
-
What was the nature of your relationship?
-
We were friends.
-
Did you continue to see him
after your parents died?
-
-Yes.
-Why?
-
We were friends. He…
-
He owned the building that I lived in.
-
His business took him there quite often.
-
Now what did you say to the police
-
when they, uh, questioned you
about having intimate relations with him?
-
I told them it was a lie.
-
Could you tell me who
the public prosecutor was?
-
Emil Hahn.
-
LAWSON: Did Emil Hahn question you?
-
Yes.
-
What did he say to you?
-
He took me into a separate room,
-
where we were alone.
-
He told me that it was no use
to repeat my story
-
because no one would believe me.
-
There had been a race defilement
-
and the only pardon for this was
to kill the violator.
-
He… He told me that if I protected
-
Mr. Feldenstein,
-
that I would be held
under arrest for perjury.
-
LAWSON: What did you reply to him?
-
I… I told him what I had
said again and again.
-
I told him that I could
not say anything else.
-
I could not lie about someone
who had been so kind to me.
-
Were you held under arrest?
-
Yes.
-
Now, Mrs. Wallner, tell us
-
what was the…the manner
-
in which Emil Hahn
conducted the prosecution?
-
He… He made a mockery
-
of everything Mr. Feldenstein tried to say
in his own defense.
-
He held him up to ridicule
whenever possible.
-
What was the reaction of the audience?
-
They laughed.
-
Again and again.
-
How long did the trial last?
-
Mrs. Wallner…
-
How long did the trial last?
-
Two days.
-
Was the verdict passed
at the end of the second day?
-
Yes.
-
-What was the verdict?
-Guilty.
-
And what was the sentence?
-
Mr. Feldenstein was sentenced
-
to be executed.
-
I was sentenced to be imprisoned
for two years, for perjury.
-
Who was the presiding judge?
-
Ernst Janning.
-
Were the sentences carried out?
-
Mmm.
-
Thank you very much,
Mrs. Wallner. That's all.
-
Any questions?
-
Your Honor, I would like
to request that the witness
-
be kept available.
-
We will present further evidence
on the Feldenstein matter
-
when it comes time
for the defense to present its case.
-
The witness will
please hold herself so available.
-
You may go. You're excused now.
-
HAYWOOD: Colonel Lawson?
-
LAWSON: Your Honors,
-
I offer in evidence a decree
signed by Adolf Hitler
-
directing that all persons accused
or suspected of disloyalty
-
or resistance of any sort,
might be arrested secretly
-
with no notice to friends or relatives,
without any trial whatsoever,
-
and put into concentration camps.
-
I also offer a group of orders
issued under that decree,
-
each one signed by one of the defendants,
-
by which hundreds of persons were arrested
and placed in concentration camps.
-
Signed by Fried rich Hoffstetter,
-
Werner Lammpe,
-
Emil Hahn,
-
Ernst Janning.
-
Your Honors,
-
the defendants on trial here today
-
did not personally administer
the concentration camps.
-
They never had to beat victims
-
or pull the lever
that released gas into the chambers.
-
But as the documents we've introduced
into this case have shown,
-
these defendants fashioned
and executed laws,
-
and rendered judgments…
-
Which sent millions of victims to their…
-
Destinations.
-
Major Radnitz?
-
Your Honors, I would like to request that
Colonel Lawson be sworn in as a witness.
-
-Granted.
-Thank you.
-
Will you raise your right hand?
-
I swear by God,
the Almighty and Omniscient,
-
that I will speak the pure truth
and withhold and add nothing.
-
I do.
-
Were you active in the United States Army
in 1945 at the close of the war?
-
Yes, I was.
-
Were you in command
of troops liberating concentration camps?
-
I was.
-
-Were you in Dachau and Belsen?
-Yes.
-
Were you present when the films
we are about to see were taken?
-
Yes, I was.
-
Okay.
-
[PROJECTOR WHIRRING]
-
The map shows the number of
and location of concentration camps
-
under the Third Reich.
-
The Buchenwald concentration camp
was founded in 1933.
-
Its inmates numbered about 80,000.
-
There was a motto at Buchenwald:
-
"Break the body…
-
"Break the spirit…
-
"Break the heart."
-
The ovens at Buchenwald.
-
Evidence of last-minute efforts
to dispose of bodies.
-
The stoves were manufactured
by a well-known company
-
which also specialized in baking ovens.
-
The name of the firm is clearly inscribed.
-
An exhibit of byproducts of Buchenwald
-
displayed for the local townspeople
by an allied officer.
-
Brushes of every description.
-
Shoes, adults and children.
-
Spectacles.
-
Gold from teeth melted down,
-
sent once a month
to the medical department
-
of the Waffen-S.S.
-
A lampshade made from human skin.
-
Skin being used for paintings,
-
many having an obscene nature.
-
The heads of two Polish laborers
-
shrunken to one-fifth their normal size.
-
A human pelvis used as an ashtray.
-
Children who'd been tattooed to mark them
for eventual extermination.
-
Sometimes mercy was shown
to the children.
-
They were injected with morphia
so they'd be unconscious when hanged.
-
One of the doctors described
-
how they'd then place ropes
around their necks,
-
and in the doctor's own words:
-
"Like pictures, they were then hanged
by hooks on the walls."
-
The bodies of those
who had come in boxcars
-
without food and without air,
-
who hadn't survived
the journey to Dachau.
-
Hundreds of inmates were used
as human guinea pigs
-
for atrocious medical experiments.
-
A witness at one of the executions
at Dachau gave the following description:
-
"Inmates were made to leave
their clothing on a rack.
-
"They were told
they were going to take baths.
-
"Then the doors were locked.
-
"Tins of Zyklon B
-
"were released through
the specially constructed apertures.
-
"You could hear the groaning
and the whimpering inside.
-
"After two or three minutes,
-
"all was quiet."
-
Death transports that had arrived
included 90,000 from Slovakia…
-
65,000 from Greece,
-
11,000 from France…
-
90,000 from Holland…
-
400,000 from Hungary…
-
250,000 from Poland and upper Silesia…
-
And 100,000 from Germany.
-
And this is what was filmed
-
when British troops liberated
Belsen concentration camp.
-
For sanitary reasons,
-
a British bulldozer had to bury the bodies
as quickly as possible.
-
Who were the bodies?
-
Members of every occupied country
of Europe.
-
Two-thirds of the Jews of Europe…
-
Exterminated.
-
More than six million
-
according to reports
from the Nazis' own figures.
-
But the real figure…
-
No one knows.
-
How dare they show us those films?
How dare they?
-
We are not executioners. We are judges.
-
You do not think it was like that, do you?
-
There were executions, yes.
But nothing like that. Nothing at all.
-
Pohl!
-
Pohl!
-
You ran those concentration camps.
-
You and Eichmann.
-
They say we killed millions of people.
-
Millions of people.
-
How could it be possible?
-
Tell them. How could it be possible?
-
It's possible.
-
How?
-
You mean, technically?
-
It all depends on your facilities.
-
Say you have two chambers
that accommodate 2,000 people apiece.
-
Figure it out.
-
It's possible to get rid
of 10,000 in a half-hour.
-
You don't even need guards to do it.
-
You can tell them
they are going to take a shower,
-
and then instead of the water,
you turn on the gas.
-
It's not the killing that is the problem.
-
It's disposing of the bodies.
-
That's the problem.
-
[SINGING IN GERMAN]
-
-I'm sorry I'm late.
-That's all right.
-
I was doing some work
for the rebuilding committee.
-
And I brought you some folders,
-
so we can decide
what you should see next.
-
There's the Albrecht Dürer House,
and the museum.
-
When do you think you could make it?
-
Oh, any time.
-
Would you like to order now?
-
What would you like?
Can I help you with the menu?
-
No. I don't think
I'll have anything. Thank you.
-
A glass of Moselle for me, please.
-
The same.
-
What's the matter?
-
Nothing. I'm just not hungry, that's all.
-
You know, it's, uh…
-
The last few days
have meant a great deal to me.
-
How?
-
Well, I don't think you realize
what a provincial man I really am.
-
Uh, I've been abroad
just exactly once before this,
-
and that was when
I was a dough boy in World War I.
-
I used to pass places like this
and wonder what they were like.
-
-They've meant a great deal to me, too.
-How?
-
They gave me back the feeling
I had of the Americans.
-
The feeling I used to have
when I was in your country.
-
[PEOPLE CLAPPING]
-
-Too bad this isn't a magazine story.
-Why?
-
Well, if it were a magazine story,
two people like us,
-
the rapidly aging jurist… Oh, no, no.
-
The rapidly aging jurist
and the beautiful widow
-
would transcend their difficulties
and travel places
-
either by land or by sea.
-
[PIANO PLAYING]
-
I saw Mr. Perkins today.
-
He told me they'd showed those pictures
in the courtroom.
-
Colonel Lawson's favorite pictures.
-
He drags them out
at any pretext, doesn't he?
-
Colonel Lawson's private
chamber of horrors.
-
Is that what you think we are?
-
Do you think we knew of those things?
-
Do you think we wanted
to murder women and children?
-
Do you believe that? Do you?
-
Mrs. Bertholt,
I don't know what to believe.
-
Good God. We're sitting here drinking.
-
How could you think that we knew?
-
We did not know.
-
We did not know.
-
[MAN SINGING IN GERMAN]
-
As far as I can make out,
no one in this country knew.
-
Mrs. Bertholt, your husband was one
of the heads of the Army.
-
And he did not know.
I tell you, he did not know.
-
It was Himmler. It was Goebbels.
-
The S.S. knew what happened.
We did not know.
-
Listen to me.
-
There are things
that happened on both sides.
-
My husband was a
military man all his life.
-
He was entitled to a soldier's death.
He asked for that.
-
I tried to get that for him, just that,
that he would die with some honor.
-
I went from official to official.
I begged for that.
-
That he should be permitted
the dignity of a firing squad.
-
You know what happened?
-
He was hanged with the others
-
and after that, I knew
what it was to hate.
-
I never left the house,
I never left the room.
-
I drank.
-
I hated with every fiber of my being.
-
I hated every American I had ever known.
-
[PEOPLE SINGING IN GERMAN]
-
But one can't live with hate, I know that.
-
And we have to forget,
if we are to go on living.
-
[INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS]
-
[MUTTERS]
-
[CLEARING THROAT]
-
Herr Rolfe?
-
May it please the tribunal?
-
Yesterday the tribunal
witnessed some films.
-
They were…
-
Shocking films,
-
devastating films.
-
As a German…
-
I feel ashamed that such things
could have taken place in my country.
-
There can never be
a justification for them.
-
Not in generations,
-
not in centuries.
-
But…
-
I do think it was wrong…
-
Indecent,
-
and terribly unfair of the prosecution
-
to show such films in this case,
-
in this court,
-
at this time, against these defendants!
-
And I cannot protest too strongly
-
against such tactics.
-
What is the prosecution trying to prove?
-
Is it trying to prove that
the German people as a whole
-
were responsible for these events?
-
Or that they were even aware of them?
-
Because if he is…
-
He's not stating facts,
-
and he knows he's not.
-
The secrecy of the operations,
-
the geographical location of the camps,
-
the breakdown of communications
in the last days of the war
-
when the exterminations rose
into the millions
-
show only too clearly
that he is not telling the truth!
-
The truth is
-
that these brutalities
were brought about by the few extremists.
-
The criminals.
-
Very few German knew what was going on.
-
Very few.
-
None of us knew what was happening
-
in the places shown in these films.
-
None of us.
-
But the most ironic part of it is…
-
That the prosecution showed
these films against these defendants,
-
men who stayed in power
for one reason only,
-
to prevent worse things from happening.
-
Who is the braver man?
-
The man who escapes,
or resigns in times of peril,
-
or the man who stays on his post
-
at the risk of his own personal safety?
-
The defense will present
witnesses and letters and documents
-
from religious and political refugees
all over the world
-
telling how Ernst Janning
saved them from execution.
-
The defense will show that many times
-
Ernst Janning was able
to effect mitigation of sentences
-
when, without his influence,
the results would have been much worse.
-
The defense will show
-
that Ernst Janning's personal physician
was a non-Aryan,
-
a Jewish man,
-
who he kept in attendance,
much to his own peril.
-
The defense presents affidavits
-
from legal authorities
and famed jurists the world over
-
pleading that special considerations
must be made in this case,
-
saying that the entire work
of Ernst Janning
-
was inspired by one motive,
and one motive only:
-
The endeavor to preserve justice
and the concept of justice.
-
[SIGHS]
-
Now,
-
what has the prosecution to offer
-
against this?
-
The prosecution, in fact,
-
has presented in the
case of Ernst Janning,
-
only one tangible piece of evidence.
-
The Feldenstein case.
-
A notorious case,
as the defense has said.
-
A case which never
should have been reopened.
-
A case which the defense is obliged
-
to review now.
-
The defense calls Mrs. Elsa Lindnow.
-
Will you raise your right hand?
-
I swear by God,
the Almighty and Omniscient,
-
that I will speak the pure truth
and will withhold and add nothing.
-
I do.
-
ROLFE: Mrs. Lindnow…
-
What is your occupation?
-
I am a cleaning woman.
-
Where are you employed?
-
400… 345, Grosse Platz.
-
-Did you know Lehman Feldenstein?
-Yes. I knew him.
-
In what capacity?
-
He was my employer in 1935.
-
Do you know the witness,
Mrs. Irene Hoffman Wallner?
-
Yes.
-
In what capacity?
-
She was a tenant in the building.
-
Did you ever see Miss Hoffman
and Mr. Feldenstein together?
-
Yes.
-
How did this happen?
-
Mr. Feldenstein came to see Miss Hoffman
at her apartment.
-
Often?
-
Quite often.
-
Were there any occasions
in which you noticed anything unusual?
-
Yes.
-
I saw Miss Hoffman kissing Mr. Feldenstein
at the door of her apartment.
-
Was there any other occasion?
-
Yes, there was one.
-
What was it?
-
I came to Miss Hoffman's apartment.
-
Uh, I wanted to clean up.
-
I thought it was empty.
-
Uh, I saw Miss Hoffman
sitting on Mr. Feldenstein's lap.
-
Thank you, Mrs. Lindnow. That's all.
-
Colonel Lawson?
-
Earphones, please.
-
Mrs. Lindnow,
what are your political affiliations?
-
-Political?
-Objection, Your Honor.
-
This witness' political affiliations
have nothing to do with the testimony.
-
Colonel Lawson is once more trying
to appeal to the emotion of the court.
-
Objection overruled.
-
Now would you answer
the question, please?
-
Were you a member
of the National Socialist Party?
-
Yes, I was.
-
We were forced to be.
-
"We were forced to be."
-
Now when did you become
a member of the Nazi Party?
-
1933.
-
Were all German nationals forced
-
to become members
of the Nazi Party in 1933?
-
LAWSON: Please answer me, Mrs. Lindnow.
-
Were you forced
to become a member of the Nazi Party?
-
That's all.
-
Witness is excused.
-
HAYWOOD: Defense may continue.
-
The defense calls
Irene Hoffman Wallner to the stand.
-
HAYWOOD: Mrs. Wallner…
-
You are still under oath.
-
Mrs. Wallner,
did you come here voluntarily?
-
Did you report voluntarily
to speak as a witness?
-
Yes.
-
Is it not true that the prosecution
asked you to come here?
-
That it was very disagreeable
for you to come here?
-
It is always very disagreeable
to live over those times.
-
That would be in agreement
-
with the information I have
that you did not want to come.
-
Thank you, Mrs. Wallner.
-
Mrs. Wallner…
-
The Nuremberg laws were
stated September 15, 1935.
-
-Where were you at that time?
-In Nuremberg.
-
Did you know these laws?
-
Were you aware that
a physical relationship with Jews
-
was against the law?
-
Yes.
-
Were you aware that in Nuremberg,
and in Nuremberg in particular,
-
not only a physical relationship with Jews
was viewed with disdain,
-
but every social contact?
-
Yes.
-
Were you aware that it might have
some danger for you personally?
-
Yes, I was aware of it.
-
But how can you discard a friendship
from day to day because of some…
-
That is another question, Mrs. Wallner.
-
I did not ask you that question.
-
-Were you aware of it?
-Yes, I was aware.
-
Yet you still continued
to see each other?
-
Yes.
-
Remember, it was brought out
at the tribunal
-
that Mr. Feldenstein bought you things.
-
-Candy and cigarettes?
-Yes.
-
Remember that sometimes
he bought you flowers?
-
Yes, he bought me many things.
-
That was because he was kind.
-
He was the kindest man I ever knew.
-
Do you know the witness,
Mrs. Elsa Lindnow?
-
Yes, I know her.
-
Was she a cleaning woman
at the apartment you lived in?
-
Yes.
-
Did Mr. Feldenstein come
to see you at your apartment?
-
Yes.
-
How many times?
-
I don't, uh, remember.
-
-Several times?
-Yes.
-
-Many times?
-Many times.
-
-Did you kiss him?
-Yes, I kissed him.
-
Was there more than one kiss?
-
Yes.
-
But it was not in the way
you are trying to make it sound.
-
He was like a father to me.
-
He was more than a father.
-
More than a father?
-
-Did you sit on his lap?
-Objection!
-
Counsel is persecuting the witness
in the pretext of gaining testimony.
-
Objection overruled.
-
The defense is being permitted to reenact
-
what was a travesty of justice
in the first place.
-
Colonel Lawson, the tribunal makes the
rulings in this case, not the prosecution.
-
You may proceed.
-
-Did you sit on his lap?
-Yes.
-
But there was nothing wrong
or ugly about it.
-
Did you sit on his lap?
-
Yes, but…
-
You sat on his lap. What else did you do?
-
There was nothing
that you are trying to say.
-
There was nothing like that.
-
What else did you do, Mrs. Wallner?
-
What are you trying to do?
-
Are you trying to…
-
[SOBBING]
-
[STAMMERING] Why do you not
let me speak the truth?
-
That's what we want, Mrs. Wallner.
-
The truth, the truth.
-
You admitted
that you continued to see him.
-
You admitted that
he came to your apartment.
-
You admitted you kissed him.
-
You admitted you sat on his lap.
-
What else do you admit to? What else?
-
Nothing.
-
There was nothing like
you're trying to make it sound.
-
What else?
-
There was nothing. Nothing.
-
Stop it.
-
-[BANGING TABLE]
-Stop it!
-
What else do you admit to.
Mrs. Wallner? What else?
-
Herr Rolfe!
-
Are we going to do this again?
-
[AUDIENCE MURMURING]
-
Your Honor,
-
the stress the defendant has been under is
so great that he is not aware…
-
I am aware.
-
I am aware.
-
Your Honor, the defendant wishes
to make a statement.
-
Your Honor, I believe
the defense has a right to request
-
-[GAVEL POUNDING]
-Order. Order. Order!
-
Does the defendant wish
to make a statement?
-
I wish to make a statement, yes.
-
Your Honor, I believe the defense
has the right to request a recess…
-
Your Honor, the defendant has
the right to make his statement now.
-
I have to speak with my client.
-
LAWSON: He has the right to make it now!
-
[CRYING]
-
Tribunal is adjourned
until 10:30 tomorrow morning.
-
[PEOPLE SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY]
-
ROLFE: What are you doing?
-
What do you think you're trying to do?
-
They've had Goering. Frank. Stretcher.
-
That's over.
-
Do you think I have enjoyed
being defense counsel during this trial?
-
There were things I had to do
in that courtroom that made me cringe.
-
Why did I do them?
-
Because I want to leave
the German people something.
-
I want to leave them a shred of dignity.
-
I want to call a halt
to these proceedings.
-
If we allow them
to discredit every German like you,
-
we lose the right to
rule ourselves forever.
-
We have to look at the future.
We can't look back now.
-
Do you want the Americans
to stay here forever? Do you want that?
-
I could show you a picture
of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
-
Thousands and thousands of burned bodies.
-
Women and children.
-
Is that their superior morality?
-
Where do you think they take us?
Do you think they know?
-
Do you think
they have any concept of our problems?
-
What can I say to you?
-
What can I say to you to make you see?
-
There is nothing you can say.
-
Nothing.
-
MALE ANNOUNCER: Nothing has
happened to alleviate the crisis.
-
The crisis reached a head this afternoon
-
when all rail travel between western
zones and Berlin was stopped.
-
The blockade by land is now complete.
-
What do you think
we're going to do, General?
-
-Do you think we'll withdraw?
-We can't withdraw.
-
If we withdraw under pressure,
-
our prestige all over the world
is threatened.
-
The communists will move in
on every front.
-
ENGLISH JOURNALIST:
What about these trials, General?
-
How do you feel about them now?
-
We're committed to the trials.
-
But I think it would be realistic
to accelerate them as much as possible.
-
FEMALE JOURNALIST: What would happen if
they fired on one of our planes, General?
-
I'm afraid we'll have to face that
when it happens.
-
There is no other answer
to that question at this time.
-
You fellows should
try some of the strudel.
-
It's excellent here.
-
No, thanks.
-
Dan, I've just come back
from Berlin, as you know.
-
I don't think this is going to be it.
-
A lot of people do, but I don't.
-
But it is going to
be a fight for survival
-
for the next 10 years, maybe the next 20.
-
Germany is the key to that survival.
-
Any high-school student
in geography can tell you that.
-
Just what are you trying to say, Senator?
-
What I'm trying to say is this:
-
While nobody's trying
to influence your decision,
-
it's important that you realize this,
because it's a fact of life.
-
Let's face it, gentlemen.
-
The handwriting is on the wall.
-
We're going to need
all the help we can get.
-
We're going to need
the support of the German people.
-
More strudel, gentlemen?
-
Herr Janning, you may proceed.
-
I wish to testify about
the Feldenstein case
-
because it was
the most significant trial of the period.
-
It is important not only for
the tribunal to understand it,
-
but for the whole German people.
-
But in order to understand it,
-
one must understand the period
in which it happened.
-
There was a fever over the land.
-
A fever of disgrace,
of indignity, of hunger.
-
We had a democracy, yes.
-
But it was torn by elements within.
-
Above all, there was fear:
-
Fear of today, fear of tomorrow,
-
fear of our neighbors,
and fear of ourselves.
-
Only when you understand that,
-
can you understand
what Hitler meant to us.
-
Because he said to us:
-
"Lift your heads.
-
"Be proud to be German.
-
"There are devils among us:
-
"Communists, liberals, Jews, gypsies.
-
"Once these devils will be destroyed,
your misery will be destroyed."
-
It was the old, old story
of the sacrificial lamb.
-
What about those of us who knew better?
-
We who knew the words were lies,
and worse than lies?
-
Why did we sit silent?
-
Why did we take part?
-
Because we loved our country.
-
What difference does it make
-
if a few political extremists
lose their rights?
-
What difference does it make if a
few racial minorities lose their rights?
-
It is only a passing phase.
-
It is only a stage we are going through.
-
It will be discarded sooner or later.
-
Hitler himself
will be discarded sooner or later.
-
The country is in danger.
-
We will march out of the shadows.
We will go forward.
-
Forward is the great password.
-
And history tells
how well we succeeded, Your Honor.
-
We succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.
-
The very elements
of hate and power about Hitler
-
that mesmerized Germany
mesmerized the world.
-
We found ourselves
with sudden, powerful allies.
-
Things that had been denied
to us as a democracy
-
were open to us now.
-
The world said, "Go ahead, take it.
-
"Take it.
-
"Take Sudetenland,
take the Rhineland, remilitarize it.
-
"Take all of Austria. Take it."
-
And then, one day, we looked around
-
and found that
we were in an even more terrible danger.
-
The ritual began in this courtroom,
-
swept over the land
like a raging, roaring disease.
-
What was going to be a passing phase
-
had become the way of life.
-
Your Honor…
-
I was content to sit
silent during this trial.
-
I was content to tend my roses.
-
I was even content
-
to let counsel try to save my name.
-
Until I realized
-
that in order to save it,
he would have to raise the specter again.
-
You have seen him do it.
-
He has done it here in this courtroom.
-
He has suggested that the Third Reich
worked for the benefit of people.
-
He has suggested that we sterilized men
for the welfare of the country.
-
He has suggested that perhaps
-
the old Jew did sleep
with the 16-year-old girl, after all.
-
Once more, it is being done
-
for love of country.
-
It is not easy to tell the truth.
-
But if there is to be
any salvation for Germany,
-
we who know our guilt must admit it,
-
whatever the pain
-
and humiliation.
-
I had reached my verdict
-
on the Feldenstein case
-
before I ever came into the courtroom.
-
I would have found him guilty,
whatever the evidence.
-
It was not a trial at all.
It was a sacrificial ritual
-
in which Feldenstein, the Jew,
was the helpless victim.
-
Your Honor, I must interrupt.
-
The defendant is not aware
of what he is saying.
-
He is not aware of the implications…
-
I am aware. I am aware.
-
My counsel would have you believe
-
we were not aware
of the concentration camps.
-
Not aware.
-
Where were we?
-
Where were we when Hitler began
shrieking his hate in the Reichstag?
-
Where were we when our neighbors
were being dragged out
-
in the middle of the night to Dachau?
-
Where were we when every village
in Germany has a railroad terminal
-
where cattle cars
were filled with children
-
being carried off to their extermination?
-
Where were we
when they cried out in the night to us?
-
Were we deaf? Dumb? Blind?
-
Your Honor, I must protest.
-
My counsel says we were not aware
of the extermination of the millions.
-
He would give you the excuse
-
we were only aware
of the extermination of the hundreds.
-
Does that make us any the less guilty?
-
Maybe we didn't know the details.
-
But if we didn't know,
it was because we didn't want to know.
-
Traitor! Traitor!
-
Order. Order! Order!
-
[PEOPLE MURMURING]
-
Put that man back in his seat
and keep him there.
-
I am going to tell them the truth.
-
I am going to tell them the truth,
-
if the whole world conspires against it.
-
I am going to tell them the truth
-
about their ministry of justice.
-
Werner Lammpe,
an old man who cries into his Bible now.
-
An old man who profited
by the property expropriation
-
of every man he sent
to a concentration camp.
-
Fried rich Hoffstetter,
-
the good German
who knew how to take orders,
-
who sent men before him
to be sterilized like so many digits.
-
Emil Hahn,
-
the decayed, corrupt bigot,
-
obsessed by the evil within himself.
-
And Ernst Janning…
-
Worse than any of them
-
because he knew what they were,
-
and he went along with them.
-
Ernst Janning,
-
who made his life…
-
Excrement…
-
Because he walked with them.
-
Your Honor,
-
it is my duty
-
to defend Ernst Janning.
-
And yet, Ernst Janning
has said he is guilty.
-
There is no doubt he feels his guilt.
-
He made a great error
in going along with the Nazi Movement
-
hoping it would be good for his country.
-
But if he is to be found guilty,
-
there are others who also went along,
-
who also must be found guilty.
-
Ernst Janning said:
-
"We succeeded beyond our wildest dreams."
-
Why did we succeed, Your Honor?
-
What about the rest of the world?
-
Did it not know
the intentions of the Third Reich?
-
Did it not hear the words
of Hitler's broadcasts all over the world?
-
Did it not read his intentions
in Mein Kampf,
-
published in every corner of the world?
-
Where is the responsibility
of the Soviet Union
-
who signed in 1939 the pact with Hitler,
-
enabled him to make war?
-
Are we now to find Russia guilty?
-
Where is the responsibility of the Vatican
-
who signed in 1933
the concordat with Hitler,
-
giving him his first tremendous prestige?
-
Are we now to find the Vatican guilty?
-
Where is the responsibility
of the world leader Winston Churchill,
-
who said in an open letter
to the London Times in 1938,
-
1938, Your Honor:
-
"Were England to suffer
a national disaster, I should pray to God
-
"to send a man of the strength of mind
and will of an Adolf Hitler."
-
Are we now to find
Winston Churchill guilty?
-
Where is the responsibility
of those American industrialists
-
who helped Hitler
to rebuild his armaments,
-
and profited by that rebuilding?
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Are we now to find
the American industrialists guilty?
-
No, Your Honor. No.
-
Germany alone is not guilty.
-
The whole world
is as responsible for Hitler as Germany.
-
It is an easy thing to condemn
one man in the dock.
-
It's easy to condemn the German people,
-
to speak of the basic flaw
in the German character
-
that allowed Hitler to rise to power,
and at the same time,
-
comfortably ignore
the basic flaw of character
-
that made the Russians sign pacts
with him, Winston Churchill praise him,
-
American industrialists profit by him.
-
Ernst Janning said he is guilty.
-
If he is,
-
Ernst Janning's guilt
is the world's guilt.
-
No more, no less.
-
Major, we have to give
the Military Governor
-
every help that we can give him.
-
We have to get 700 tons in the air a day.
-
700 tons.
-
This is some operation.
-
Did you ever think we'd be flying coal
and tomatoes in these crates?
-
Tad, you and I
have been friends a long time.
-
That's why I called you here.
-
What are you going to do
in court tomorrow?
-
You know damn well what I'm goin' to do.
-
I know what you want to do:
-
You'd like to recommend they put 'em
behind bars and throw away the key.
-
You know what's going on here now?
-
Yeah.
-
I know what's going on.
-
Tad, you're an army man.
You know what we're up against.
-
The others may not, but you do.
-
I'll tell you the truth.
-
I don't know what's going to happen
if they fire on one of those planes.
-
I don't know what's going to happen.
-
But if I do know this:
If Berlin goes, Germany goes.
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If Germany goes, Europe goes.
-
That's the way things stand.
-
That's the way they stand.
-
Look, Matt, I'm goin' to go the limit.
-
And not you, not the Pentagon,
-
not God on his throne
is going to make me…
-
Who do you think you're talking to?
-
Who the hell do you
think you're talking to?
-
When you were marching into Dachau
with those troops, I was there, too.
-
You think I'll ever forget it?
-
Look, I'm not your commanding officer.
-
I can't influence your decision,
and I don't want to.
-
But I want to give this to you,
and I want to give it to you straight.
-
We need the help of the German people.
-
And you don't get the help
of the German people
-
by sentencing their leaders
to stiff prison sentences.
-
Tad…
-
The thing to do is survive, isn't it?
-
Survive as best we can, but survive.
-
Just for laughs, Matt,
-
what was the war all about?
-
What was it about?
-
And that concludes
presentation of documentary evidence
-
against these defendants.
-
Your Honors,
-
during the three years that have passed
since the end of the war in Europe,
-
mankind has not crossed over into Jordan.
-
In our own country,
fear of war has been revived.
-
And we must look once more
to our defenses.
-
There's talk of cold war,
while men and women die in real wars.
-
And the echoes of persecution
-
and atrocities
-
will not be stilled.
-
These events cannot help
but color what happens in this courtroom.
-
But somewhere in the midst
of these events,
-
the responsibility for the crimes
that we brought forward during this trial
-
must be placed in true perspective.
-
And this is the decision
that faces Your Honors.
-
It is the dilemma of our times.
-
It is a dilemma that…
-
That rests with you.
-
The prosecution rests.
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The defendants may now
make their final statements.
-
Defendant Emil Hahn
may address the tribunal.
-
Your Honors,
-
I do not evade
the responsibility for my actions.
-
On the contrary, I stand by them
before the entire world.
-
But I will not follow
the policy of others.
-
I will not say of our policy today
that it was wrong
-
when yesterday I say it was right.
-
Germany was fighting for its life.
-
Certain measures were needed
to protect it from its enemies.
-
I cannot say that I am sorry
we applied those measures.
-
We were a bulwark against Bolshevism.
-
We were a pillar of Western culture.
-
A bulwark and a pillar
the West may yet wish to retain.
-
The defendant Fried rich Hoffstetter
may address the tribunal.
-
I have served my
country throughout my life
-
and in whatever
position I was assigned to,
-
in faithfulness, with a pure heart,
and without malice.
-
I followed the concept that I believed
to be the highest in my profession.
-
The concept that says:
-
"To sacrifice one's own sense of justice
to the authoritative legal order.
-
"To ask only what the law is
-
"and not to ask whether or not
it is also justice."
-
As a judge, I could do no other.
-
I believe Your Honors will find me,
-
and millions of Germans like me
-
who believed they were
doing their duty to their country,
-
to be not guilty.
-
[CLEARING THROAT]
-
The defendant Werner Lammpe
may address the tribunal.
-
Your Honors…
-
Your Honors…
-
The defendant Ernst Janning
may address the tribunal.
-
I have nothing to add to what I have said.
-
The testimony
has been received in the case.
-
Final arguments have been heard.
-
There remains nothing now but the task
of the tribunal to render its decision.
-
The tribunal will recess
until further notification.
-
Now, I've collected
several precedents and arguments here
-
that have a bearing
on the basis of the case,
-
which is, of course, the conflict between
allegiance to international law
-
and to the laws of one's own country.
-
Dan, we have a mountain
of material to go over here.
-
What are you looking at, Dan?
-
Hmm? Oh, I was…
-
I was, uh, looking at
some of these pictures
-
attached to the warrants for arrest.
-
What pictures?
-
Well, there's Petersen,
before they operated on him.
-
And here's Irene Hoffman.
-
She really was 16 once, wasn't she?
-
Feldenstein.
-
And here's the situation of a boy,
-
certainly couldn't have been more than 14.
-
Executed for saying things
against the Third Reich.
-
"By order of justice
Fried rich Hoffstetter."
-
If I may say so, more pertinent
to the legal basis of the case,
-
I have the opening address
of the French prosecutor
-
before the International
Military Tribunal.
-
"It is obvious that
in the state organized along modern lines
-
"responsibility is confined
to those who act directly for the State.
-
"Since they alone are in a position to
judge the legitimacy of the given orders,
-
"they alone can be prosecuted."
-
I have another
from Professor Jahrreiss' legal aspects,
-
trial of the major war criminals.
-
On the basis of these, I don't see where
the prosecution has put forth
-
a really clear-cut case
against the defense
-
pertaining to the
charges in the indictment.
-
Regardless of the acts committed,
-
we cannot make the interpretation
that these defendants
-
are really responsible
for crimes against humanity.
-
What do you think, Dan?
-
Dan, we've been going over
these points all day.
-
If it isn't clear now…
-
Aren't you going to look
at these precedents?
-
Aren't you interested at all?
-
Yes, I'm interested, Curtiss.
-
You were speaking of crimes
against humanity
-
saying that the defendants
were not responsible for their acts.
-
I'd like you to explain that to me.
-
I've just been explaining it.
-
Well, maybe.
-
But all I've heard is a lot of legalistic
double-talk and rationalization.
-
You know, Curtiss,
when I first became a judge,
-
I… I knew there were certain people
in town I wasn't supposed to touch.
-
I knew that if I was to remain a judge,
this was so.
-
But how in God's name
do you expect me to look the other way
-
at the murder of six million people?
-
Oh, I'm sure he didn't mean that.
-
I'm not asking you
to look the other way at them.
-
I'm asking you, what good is it
going to do to pursue this policy?
-
Curtiss, you were saying that the men
are not responsible for their acts.
-
You're going to have
to explain that to me.
-
You're going to
have to explain it very carefully.
-
The tribunal is now in session.
-
God bless the United States of America
and this honorable tribunal.
-
The trial conducted before this
tribunal began over eight months ago.
-
The record of evidence
is more than 10,000 pages long
-
and final arguments of counsel
have been concluded.
-
Simple murders and atrocities
do not constitute
-
the gravamen of the charges
in this indictment.
-
Rather, the charge is that
of conscious participation…
-
In a nationwide,
government-organized system
-
of cruelty and injustice
-
in violation of every moral
and legal principle
-
known to all civilized nations.
-
The tribunal has
carefully studied the record
-
and found therein
-
abundant evidence to support
beyond a reasonable doubt
-
the charges against these defendants.
-
[PEOPLE MURMURING]
-
Herr Rolfe
-
in his very skillful defense
-
has asserted that there are others
-
who must share the ultimate responsibility
-
for what happened here in Germany.
-
There is truth in this.
-
The real complaining party at the
bar in this courtroom is civilization.
-
But the tribunal does say
-
that the men in the dock
are responsible for their actions.
-
Men who sat in black robes…
-
In judgment on other men.
-
Men who took part
-
in the enactment of laws and decrees…
-
The purpose of which
was the extermination of human beings.
-
Men who, in executive positions,
-
actively participated
in the enforcement of these laws,
-
illegal even under German law.
-
The principle
-
of criminal law in every civilized society
has this in common:
-
Any person who sways another
to commit murder,
-
any person who furnishes
-
the lethal weapon
for the purpose of the crime,
-
any person who is an accessory
to the crime
-
is guilty.
-
Herr Rolfe
-
further asserts that the defendant Janning
-
was an extraordinary jurist
-
and acted in what he thought
was the best interest of his country.
-
There is truth in this also.
-
Janning, to be sure,
-
is a tragic figure.
-
We believe he loathed the evil he did.
-
But compassion
for the present torture of his soul
-
must not beget forgetfulness
-
of the torture and the death of millions
by the government of which he was a part.
-
Janning's record and his fate
-
illuminate the most shattering truth
that has emerged from this trial.
-
If he and all of the other defendants
had been degraded perverts,
-
if all of the leaders of the Third Reich
-
had been sadistic monsters and maniacs,
-
then these events would have
no more moral significance
-
than an earthquake,
or any other natural catastrophe.
-
But this trial has shown
-
that under a national crisis,
-
ordinary, even able and extraordinary men
-
can delude themselves
into the commission of crimes
-
so vast and heinous
that they beggar the imagination.
-
No one who has sat through the trial
can ever forget them.
-
Men sterilized because
of political belief.
-
A mockery made of friendship and faith.
-
The murder of children.
-
How easily it can happen.
-
There are those in our own country, too,
-
who today speak
of the protection of country, of survival.
-
A decision must be made
in the life of every nation
-
at the very moment when the
grasp of the enemy is at its throat.
-
Then it seems that the only way to survive
is to use the means of the enemy,
-
to rest survival upon what is expedient,
to look the other way.
-
Well, then, the answer to that is:
-
survival as what?
-
A country isn't a rock.
-
It's not an extension of one's self.
-
It's what it stands for.
-
It's what it stands for when standing for
something is the most difficult.
-
Before the people of the world
-
let it now be noted
-
that here in our decision,
this is what we stand for:
-
Justice,
-
truth…
-
And the value of a single human being.
-
The marshal will produce
before the tribunal the defendant Hahn.
-
Emil Hahn,
-
the tribunal finds you guilty
-
and sentences you to life imprisonment.
-
Today you sentence me.
Tomorrow the Bolsheviks sentence you.
-
[PEOPLE MURMURING]
-
The marshal will produce the defendant
Hoffstetter before the tribunal.
-
Fried rich Hoffstetter,
-
the tribunal finds you guilty
and sentences you to life imprisonment.
-
[PEOPLE MURMURING]
-
The marshal will produce
the defendant Lammpe before the tribunal.
-
Werner Lammpe,
-
the tribunal finds you guilty
-
and sentences you to life imprisonment.
-
[PEOPLE MURMURING]
-
[GAVEL POUNDING]
-
The marshal will produce the defendant
Ernst Janning before the tribunal.
-
Ernst Janning,
-
the tribunal finds you guilty
-
and sentences you to life imprisonment.
-
[PEOPLE MURMURING]
-
He doesn't understand.
-
He just doesn't understand.
-
He understands.
-
[GAVEL POUNDING]
-
Justice Ives dissenting.
-
I wish to point out strongly
-
my dissenting vote
from the decision of this tribunal
-
as stated by Justice Haywood,
-
and in which Justice Norris concurred.
-
The issue of the actions
of the defendants
-
who believed they were acting
in the best interests of their country
-
is an issue that cannot be
decided in a courtroom alone.
-
It can only be decided objectively
-
in years to come,
in the true perspective of history.
-
And, uh, where shall I put
these books, Your Honor?
-
-Put them in the trunk, Mr. Halbestadt.
-Yeah.
-
Your Honor, here's something for you
to have on the plane.
-
Oh, oh, no. If you give me
any more food, Mrs. Halbestadt,
-
I… I won't have any room
for anything else.
-
But it's strudel, the way you like it.
-
Thank you. Thank you for everything.
-
Yeah.
-
-I'll put it in the car for you.
-Thanks.
-
Tickets, passport, immunization.
All in order.
-
I'll have your baggage checks
and boarding pass at the airport.
-
-Thank you.
-See you there no later than 3:00.
-
Right.
-
Oh, and give my regards
to Miss… What was her name?
-
Scheffler. Elsa.
-
That's one you owe me.
-
What do you mean?
-
Americans aren't very popular
in Nuremberg this morning.
-
[DIALING]
-
[PHONE RINGING]
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[PHONE CONTINUES RINGING]
-
Good afternoon, Your Honor.
-
Good afternoon.
-
I came here at the request
of my client, Ernst Janning.
-
He wishes to see you.
-
I'm just leaving for the airport.
-
He says it would mean a great deal to him.
-
Have you heard about the verdict
in the I.G. Farben case?
-
Most of them were acquitted.
-
The others received light sentences.
-
The verdict came in today.
-
No, I hadn't heard.
-
I will make you a wager.
-
I don't make wagers.
-
A gentleman's wager.
-
In five years, the men you sentenced
to life imprisonment will be free.
-
Herr Rolfe, I have admired your work
in the courtroom for many months.
-
You are particularly brilliant
in your use of logic.
-
Thank you.
-
So what you suggest may very well happen.
-
It is logical,
in view of the times in which we live.
-
But to be logical is not to be right.
-
And nothing on God's earth
could ever make it right.
-
Someone to see you.
-
[DOOR CLOSING]
-
Herr Janning.
-
Judge Haywood.
-
Please, sit down.
-
Thank you. You wanted to see me?
-
Yes. There is something
I… I want to give you.
-
A record.
-
A record of my cases.
-
The ones I remember.
-
I want to give them
to someone I can trust,
-
someone I felt I got to know
during the trial.
-
Thank you.
-
I'll take good care of them.
-
I know the pressures
that have been brought upon you.
-
You will be criticized greatly.
-
Your decision will not be a popular one.
-
But if it means anything to you,
-
you have the respect
of at least one of the men you convicted.
-
By all that is right in this world,
your verdict was a just one.
-
Thank you.
-
What you said in the courtroom,
it needed to be said.
-
Judge Haywood…
-
The reason I asked you to come…
-
Those people,
-
those millions of people,
-
I never knew it would come to that.
-
You must believe it.
-
You must believe it.
-
Herr Janning,
-
it came to that the first time
you sentenced a man to death
-
you knew to be innocent.
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[MEN SINGING IN GERMAN]
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[MEN CONTINUE SINGING IN GERMAN]
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[BAND PLAYING]