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纽伦堡的审判 Judgment at Nuremberg (1961) 1080p 中文字幕

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    [BAND PLAYING]
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    [BAND CONTINUES PLAYING]
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    [MEN SINGING IN GERMAN]
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    [CAR HORN HONKING]
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    I didn't know it was so bad.
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    Couple of incendiaries,
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    these old buildings go up like cellophane.
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    There's a wall that separates
    the old section of Nuremberg from the new.
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    Goes back to…
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    How far does it go back, Schmidt?
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    1219, sir.
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    1219.
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    This is where the Nazi Party
    held their rallies, isn't it?
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    They all came here.
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    Hitler. Goebbels. The whole crew.
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    Thousands of them, from all over Germany.
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    [HONKING]
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    Does he have to blow
    that damn horn so much?
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    It's not necessary
    to blow the horn so much, Schmidt.
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    You both know your duties?
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    [BOTH AGREEING]
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    Well, here we are.
    A little bit of old Germany.
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    -Senator Burkette.
    -Captain.
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    Captain Byers, this is Judge Haywood.
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    Byers here will be your aide.
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    My what?
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    Clerk. General guide. Liaison.
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    Any capacity you wish to use me in.
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    Oh.
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    This will be your staff, sir.
    Mr. And Mrs. Halbestadt.
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    Hello.
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    Good afternoon.
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    Good afternoon, Your Honor.
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    Welcome.
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    BYERS: You've already met your driver,
    Schmidt.
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    I am at your service, sir,
    any time you need me. Day or night.
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    Thanks.
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    Let's show him around
    the rest of the place. Dan?
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    We're in the, uh, reception room.
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    Living room. Study is in there.
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    There are two bedrooms
    on this floor, three upstairs.
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    Furniture is part antique, part U.S. Army.
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    The piano's showing
    signs of wear and tear,
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    but it's a genuine Bechstein.
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    Quite a view, isn't it, sir?
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    Yes.
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    Uh, Senator, I really,
    really don't need all this.
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    When the United States
    government does something,
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    it does it right. You know that, Dan.
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    Who used to live here?
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    An important Nazi
    general and his wife, sir.
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    Well, let's see. Is there anything
    else Judge Haywood ought to know?
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    Sir, are there any questions?
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    Yes. Yes.
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    You're West Point, aren't you, Captain?
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    Yes, sir.
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    What's your first name?
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    Harrison. Harry.
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    Well, Harry, look, I'm not West Point.
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    And all this formality
    kind of gets me down a little,
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    not to say puts me ill at ease.
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    Uh… Uh, do you think it would be too
    much an infraction of the rules
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    if you were to call me Judge,
    or Dan, or something?
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    Okay, Judge.
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    We do all our shopping
    at the army commissary.
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    There isn't enough food
    at the local markets for the Germans.
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    The driver knows where the commissary is.
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    Here's a copy of the
    indictment of the case.
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    -I thought you might want to look it over.
    -Oh, thanks.
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    I hope you'll be comfortable here, sir.
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    Captain, I think the whole state of Maine
    would be comfortable here.
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    My office is next to yours at the
    Palace of Justice if you need anything.
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    Thank you.
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    Senator?
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    Do you… Do you think
    I really need the three servants?
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    It kind of makes me feel like a damn fool.
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    Well, it helps them out, as well as you.
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    You see, here they eat.
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    Oh.
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    Well, I need three servants.
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    It's good to have you here, Dan.
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    Good to have a man of your stature here.
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    Sure. Sure.
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    I was the only man
    in America qualified for this job.
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    Senator, you know I wasn't the
    first choice, nor even the 10th.
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    You know it, and I know it.
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    What do you mean?
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    Well, let's face it.
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    Hitler is gone, Goebbels is gone.
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    Goering is gone. Committed suicide
    before they could hang him.
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    Now we're down
    to the business of judging the doctors,
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    businessmen and judges.
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    Some people think
    they shouldn't be judged at all.
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    So?
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    So it makes for a hell
    of a lack of candidates for the job.
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    You had to beat the backwoods of Maine
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    to come up with a hick like me.
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    I hope you're not sorry you came.
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    No. I'm not sorry I came.
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    I just wanted you to know that
    I know where the body is buried.
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    No, I think the trials should go on.
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    Especially the trials
    of the German judges.
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    I hope I'm up to it.
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    You're up to it.
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    Well, relax.
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    Thanks.
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    Enjoy this place while you can.
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    You're going to be a pretty busy fellow.
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    Well, thanks, Senator.
    Thanks for everything.
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    See you tomorrow, Judge.
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    Right.
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    Shall we, uh, take these upstairs?
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    Oh, yes, yes. Thank you.
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    Here, I can take that…
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    No, let me take it. Please.
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    [CAR HORN HONKING]
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    [INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS]
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    [INAUDIBLE]
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    MAN: Here they come.
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    [CONVERSATIONS STOP]
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    The tribunal is now in session.
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    God bless the United States
    and this honorable tribunal.
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    The tribunal will now arraign
    the defendants.
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    The microphone will be placed
    in front of the defendant,
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    Emil Hahn.
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    Emil Hahn?
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    Are you represented
    by counsel before this tribunal?
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    Not guilty.
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    The question was, are you represented
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    by counsel before this tribunal?
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    I am represented.
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    How do you plead
    to the charges and specifications
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    in the indictment against you?
    Guilty or not guilty?
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    Not guilty on all counts.
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    Fried rich Hoffstetter?
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    Are you represented
    by counsel before this tribunal?
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    I am represented.
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    How do you plead? Guilty or not guilty?
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    HAYWOOD: You may be seated.
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    Werner Lammpe?
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    Are you represented
    by counsel before this tribunal?
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    Counsel?
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    Yes. Yes, of course. I am represented.
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    How do you plead to the charges?
    Guilty or not guilty?
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    You may be seated.
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    Ernst Janning?
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    Ernst Janning, are you
    represented by counsel
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    before this tribunal?
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    Ernst Janning, are you represented
    by counsel before this tribunal?
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    I represent the defendant, Your Honor.
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    How do you plead to the
    charges and specifications set forth
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    in the indictment against you?
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    Guilty or not guilty?
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    Your Honor, may I address the court?
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    The defendant does not
    recognize the authority of this tribunal
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    and wishes to lodge
    a formal protest in lieu of pleading.
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    A plea of "not guilty" will be entered.
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    The prosecution will begin
    its opening address.
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    Slow and easy, junior.
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    The case is unusual
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    in that the defendants
    are charged with crimes
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    committed in the name of the law.
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    These men, together with their
    deceased or fugitive colleagues,
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    are the embodiment
    of what passed for justice
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    during the Third Reich.
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    The defendants served as judges
    during the period of the Third Reich.
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    Therefore, you, Your Honors,
    as judges on the bench,
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    will be sitting in judgment
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    of judges in the dock.
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    And this is as it should be.
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    For only a judge knows how much more
    a court is than a courtroom.
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    It is a process and a spirit.
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    It is the house of law.
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    The defendants knew this, too.
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    They knew courtrooms well.
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    They sat in their black robes,
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    and they distorted, they perverted,
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    they destroyed justice and law in Germany.
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    Will the prosecution
    please watch the light?
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    The interpreter cannot follow you.
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    I'm sorry, Your Honor.
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    They distorted, they perverted,
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    they destroyed justice and law in Germany.
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    Now, this in itself
    is undoubtedly a great crime.
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    But the prosecution
    is not calling the defendants
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    to account for violating
    constitutional guarantees
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    or withholding due process of law.
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    The prosecution is calling them to account
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    for murder,
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    brutalities,
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    torture,
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    atrocities.
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    They share with all
    the leaders of the Third Reich
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    responsibility for the most malignant,
    the most calculated,
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    the most devastating crimes
    in the history of all mankind.
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    And they are perhaps more guilty
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    than some of the others.
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    For they had attained maturity
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    long before Hitler's rise to power.
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    Their minds weren't warped
    at an early age by Nazi teachings.
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    They embraced the ideologies
    of the Third Reich
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    as educated adults
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    when they, most of all,
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    should have valued justice.
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    Well, here they'll
    receive the justice they denied others.
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    They'll be judged according to the
    evidence presented in this courtroom.
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    The prosecution asks nothing more.
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    Herr Rolfe will make
    the opening statement for the defense.
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    May it please the tribunal…
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    [CONTINUES SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    It is not only a great honor…
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    But also a great challenge
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    for an advocate
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    to aid this tribunal in its task.
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    The entire civilized world
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    will follow closely what we do here.
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    For this is not an ordinary trial
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    by any means of the accepted,
    parochial sense.
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    The avowed purpose of this tribunal…
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    Is broader than the visiting
    of retribution on a few men.
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    It is dedicated to the reconsecration
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    of the temple of justice.
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    It is dedicated to
    finding a code of justice
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    the whole world will be responsible to.
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    How will this code be established?
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    It will be established…
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    In a clear,
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    honest evaluation
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    of the responsibility for the crimes
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    in the indictment stated
    by the prosecution.
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    In the words of the great American
    jurist, Oliver Wendell Holmes,
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    "This responsibility will not
    be found only in documents
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    "that no one contests or denies.
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    "It will be found in considerations
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    "of a political or social nature.
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    "It will be found, most of all,
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    "in the character of men."
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    What is the character of Ernst Janning?
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    Let us examine his life for a moment.
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    He was born in 1885.
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    Received the degree
    of Doctor of Law in 1907.
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    Became a judge in East Prussia in 1940.
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    Following World War I he became
    one of the leaders of the Weimar Republic
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    and was one of the framers of
    its democratic constitution.
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    In subsequent years
    he achieved international fame
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    not only for his work as a great jurist,
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    but also as the author of legal text books
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    which are still used in universities
    all over the world.
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    He became Minister of Justice
    in Germany in 1935.
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    If Ernst Janning is to be found guilty,
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    certain implications must arise.
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    A judge does not make the laws.
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    He carries out the laws of his country.
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    The statement,
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    "My country, right or wrong"
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    was expressed by a great American patriot.
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    It is no less true for a German patriot.
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    Should Ernst Janning
    have carried out the laws of his country?
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    Or should he have refused
    to carry them out and become a traitor?
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    This is the crux of the issue
    at the bottom of this trial.
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    The defense is as dedicated
    to finding responsibility
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    as is the prosecution.
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    For it is not only Ernst
    Janning who is on trial here…
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    It is the German people.
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    The tribunal will recess
    until further notification.
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    [PEOPLE MURMURING]
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    Yeah.
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    If it's all right with you,
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    Byers can file these briefs later.
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    Hmm.
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    That was quite a damning speech
    by Colonel Lawson, wasn't it?
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    I wonder if those men in the dock
    can really be responsible
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    for the things he
    listed in the indictment.
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    Well, I've been here for two years,
    and after you're here that long,
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    you find that responsibility
    is not a cut-and-dried thing.
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    What are you fellows up to
    over the weekend?
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    My wife and I are going to Liège.
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    There's nothing in Liège. I've been there.
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    My son was in the 101st.
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    He's buried
    in the American cemetery outside Liège.
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    Oh, I'm sorry.
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    Oh, that's all right.
    See you Monday, Dan.
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    Hmm.
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    Coming my way?
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    No, I'm going to stay here for a moment.
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    I'm waiting for some records from Byers.
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    Right.
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    Here are the reports you asked for, sir.
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    Oh, thank you.
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    Captain, do you think
    you can get me a copy
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    of the books Ernst Janning wrote?
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    There are quite a few of them.
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    I'd like all of them.
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    And also a copy of the
    Weimar Constitution.
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    Do you think you can get that for me?
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    -Yes, of course.
    -Thank you.
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    How long have you been here, Captain?
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    Two years.
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    Two years? That's a long time.
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    Yes, sir.
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    Any friends?
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    Sure.
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    German friends?
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    Yes.
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    A girl?
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    Yes.
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    Her parents were Nazis, but
    she was eight years old when they came in.
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    I didn't ask you that.
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    I know. But maybe you were thinking it.
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    It's natural to think about it.
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    I thought if anybody was
    going to indoctrinate her,
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    -it might as well be me.
    -[BOTH LAUGHING]
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    Will there be anything else?
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    No, no, I think I'll just
    take a walk around town on my own.
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    Try the old section. Everyone stops
    for a beer and a sausage there.
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    Thank you.
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    [TRAM BELL DINGING]
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    [PEOPLE CLAMORING]
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    [BELLS CHIMING]
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    Do you understand English?
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    Yes, a little.
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    What did she say?
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    She said, "Goodbye, grandpa."
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    [MEN SINGING IN GERMAN]
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    [HITLER SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    [PEOPLE CHEERING]
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    Are they treating you all right?
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    JANNING: Yes.
    They're treating me all right.
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    We still have some friends
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    who have contact
    with the American authorities.
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    I can tell them
    if they're not treating you all right.
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    They're treating me all right.
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    Dr. Janning…
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    We are both in an embarrassing position.
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    I know you didn't want me as your counsel.
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    I know you didn't want anyone.
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    But I must tell you something.
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    Will you listen to me?
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    Yes.
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    I intend to represent your case
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    with complete dignity.
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    There will be
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    no appeal to sentiment,
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    there will be no falling
    at the mercy of the court.
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    The game
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    will be played according
    to their own rules.
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    We'll see whether they have the courage
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    to sit in judgment on a man like you.
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    The way I see it,
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    the most important elements in the case
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    are the sterilization decrees,
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    and the Feldenstein-Hoffman affair.
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    Dr. Janning, I must tell you something.
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    I admired you
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    since I was a boy in the university.
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    It was because I thought
    I might be able to achieve
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    some of the things you have done…
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    That saw me through the war.
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    You have been somebody to look up to,
    for all of us.
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    Is that all, Herr Rolfe?
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    Yes.
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    Thank you.
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    [DOOR CLOSING]
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    Dr. Wieck, do you know the defendant,
    Ernst Janning?
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    Yes, I know him.
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    LAWSON: Will you tell us in what capacity?
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    We served
    in the Ministry of Justice together,
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    from 1929 till 1935.
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    Did you know him before that?
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    Yes.
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    He was a law student of mine.
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    -Did you know him well?
    -Yes.
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    -Was he a protégé of yours?
    -Yes.
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    Why?
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    He was always a man of great intelligence.
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    He was a man born
    with the qualities of a great legal mind.
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    Dr. Weick, would you, uh,
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    would you tell us
    from your own experience,
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    the position of the judge in Germany
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    prior to the advent of Adolf Hitler.
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    The position of the judge was
    one of complete independence.
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    Mmm-hmm.
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    Now, would you describe the contrast,
    if any,
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    after the coming to power
    of National Socialism in 1933?
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    Judges became subject
    to something outside of objective justice.
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    They became subject to what was necessary
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    for the protection of the country.
  • 29:22 - 29:23
    Would you explain this, please?
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    The first consideration of the judge
  • 29:26 - 29:29
    became the punishment
    of acts against the state,
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    rather than objective
    consideration of the case.
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    And what other changes were there?
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    The right to appeal was eliminated.
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    The supreme court of the Reich
    was replaced by
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    people's and special courts.
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    The concept of race was made
    a legal concept for the first time.
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    And what was the result of this?
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    The result?
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    The result was to hand over
    the administration of justice
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    into the hands of the dictatorship.
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    LAWSON: Now, Dr. Wieck…
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    Colonel Lawson,
    I would like to ask a few questions.
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    Did the judiciary protest these
    laws abridging their independence?
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    A few of them did.
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    Those who did resigned,
    or were forced to resign.
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    Others…
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    Adapted themselves to the new situation.
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    Do you think the judiciary was aware
    of the consequences to come?
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    At first, perhaps not.
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    Later it became
    clear to anyone who had eyes and ears.
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    Thank you.
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    Now, would you please describe for us
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    the changes in criminal law?
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    It was characterized by
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    an ever-increasing inflation
    of the death penalty.
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    Sentences were passed against defendants
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    just because they were Poles, or Jews,
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    or politically undesirable.
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    Novel National Socialist measures
    were introduced.
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    Among them,
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    sexual sterilization for those
    who were categorized as asocial.
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    Did it become necessary for judges
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    to wear any distinctive mark
    on their robes in 1935?
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    The so-called Fuehrer's decree
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    required judges to wear the insignia
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    of the swastika on their robes.
  • 31:31 - 31:33
    Did you wear such an insignia?
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    No.
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    I would have been ashamed to wear it.
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    Did you resign in 1935?
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    Yes, sir.
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    Did Ernst Janning wear
    a swastika on his robe?
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    WIECK: Yes.
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    LAWSON: That's all. Thank you.
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    Herr Rolfe.
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    You used the phrase, "What was necessary
  • 32:13 - 32:16
    "for the protection of the country."
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    Will you explain for the tribunal
    the conditions in Germany
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    at the time National Socialism
    came to power?
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    What conditions?
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    Would you say
    there was widespread hunger?
  • 32:31 - 32:32
    Yes.
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    Would you say there was internal disunity?
  • 32:35 - 32:36
    Yes.
  • 32:36 - 32:38
    Was there a Communist Party?
  • 32:38 - 32:39
    Yes.
  • 32:39 - 32:41
    Was it the third largest party in Germany?
  • 32:41 - 32:43
    Hmm, yes.
  • 32:44 - 32:45
    Would you say
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    that National Socialism
    helped to cure some of these conditions?
  • 32:52 - 32:54
    Yes, but at a terrible price and I…
  • 32:54 - 32:58
    Please confine yourself
    to answering the questions only.
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    Therefore, was it not possible
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    that a judge might wear a swastika
  • 33:03 - 33:06
    and yet work for what he
    thought was best for his country?
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    No. It was not possible.
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    Dr. Wieck…
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    You were not in the administration
  • 33:18 - 33:23
    from the years 1935 to 1943
  • 33:23 - 33:25
    by your own admission.
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    Is it not possible
    that your view of the administration
  • 33:31 - 33:33
    might be distorted?
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    No. It is not.
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    How… How can you testify about
    what was going on in the administration
  • 33:41 - 33:42
    if you were not there?
  • 33:43 - 33:45
    I had many friends
    in the legal administration.
  • 33:45 - 33:47
    There were journals and books.
  • 33:49 - 33:52
    From journals and books?
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    I see.
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    Dr. Wieck, you referred to,
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    "Novel National Socialist
    measures introduced,
  • 34:04 - 34:07
    "among them sexual sterilization."
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    Are you aware that sexual sterilization
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    was not invented by National Socialism,
  • 34:12 - 34:15
    but had been advanced
    for years before as a weapon
  • 34:15 - 34:18
    in dealing with the mentally
    incompetent and the criminal?
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    WIECK: Yes. I am aware of that.
  • 34:20 - 34:22
    Are you aware that it has advocates
  • 34:22 - 34:25
    among leading citizens
    in many other countries?
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    I am not an expert on such laws.
  • 34:28 - 34:31
    Then permit me to read one to you.
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    This is a high court opinion
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    upholding such laws in existence
    in another country.
  • 34:43 - 34:45
    And I quote…
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    "We have seen more than once
    that the public welfare
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    "may call upon
    the best citizens for their lives.
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    "It would be strange indeed,
    if it could not call upon those
  • 34:59 - 35:03
    "who already sapped the strength
    of the state for these lesser sacrifices
  • 35:03 - 35:06
    "in order to prevent
    our being swamped by incompetence.
  • 35:06 - 35:08
    "It is better for all the world
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    "if, instead of waiting
    to execute degenerate offsprings for crime
  • 35:11 - 35:13
    "or to let them starve
    for their imbecility,
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    "society can prevent their propagation
  • 35:16 - 35:19
    "by medical means in the first place.
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    "Three generations of imbeciles
    are enough."
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    Do you recognize it now, Dr. Wieck?
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    No, sir, I don't.
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    Actually, there is
    no particular reason you should,
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    since the opinion upholds
    the sterilization law
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    in the state of Virginia,
    of the United States,
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    and was written and delivered
    by that great American jurist,
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    Supreme Court Justice,
    Oliver Wendell Holmes.
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    Now, Dr. Wieck.
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    In view of what you have just learned,
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    can you still say that
    sexual sterilization
  • 36:11 - 36:13
    was a novel National Socialist measure?
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    Yes, I can say it.
  • 36:16 - 36:18
    Because it was never before used
  • 36:18 - 36:20
    as a weapon against political opponents.
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    Do you personally know of a case
  • 36:24 - 36:28
    where someone was sterilized
    for political reasons?
  • 36:28 - 36:30
    WIECK: I know that such things were done.
  • 36:30 - 36:31
    That's not the question.
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    Please answer the question.
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    Do you know of a case?
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    I don't know of any specific case,
    or specific date…
  • 36:40 - 36:42
    I am asking you if you have any firsthand,
  • 36:42 - 36:43
    personal knowledge of such a case!
  • 36:45 - 36:48
    No, I have no such personal knowledge.
  • 36:48 - 36:49
    Thank you.
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    Dr. Wieck…
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    You are aware
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    of the charges
    in the indictment against Ernst Janning?
  • 37:16 - 37:17
    Yes, I am.
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    Can you honestly say
    he is responsible for them?
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    Yes, I can.
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    Do you consider yourself
    free of responsibility?
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    Yes, I do.
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    Dr. Wieck,
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    did you ever swear
    to the Civil Servant Loyalty Oath of 1934?
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    Your Honor, I object.
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    The witness doesn't have
    to answer that question.
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    He's not on trial.
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    All Germany is on trial, Your Honor.
  • 37:54 - 37:57
    This tribunal placed it on trial
    when it placed Ernst Janning on trial.
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    If responsibility is to be found,
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    the widest latitude is to be permitted.
  • 38:03 - 38:05
    Objection overruled.
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    Did you ever swear
    to the Civil Servant Loyalty Oath of 1934?
  • 38:12 - 38:13
    Everyone did.
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    ROLFE: We are not interested
    in what everyone did.
  • 38:16 - 38:19
    We are interested in what you did.
  • 38:19 - 38:23
    Would you read the oath
    from the Reich Law Gazette, March, 1933?
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    "I swear that I shall be obedient
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    "to the leader of the German Reich
    and people, Adolf Hitler.
  • 38:29 - 38:32
    "That I shall be loyal to him,
    that I will observe the laws,
  • 38:32 - 38:35
    "and that
    I will conscientiously fulfill my duties,
  • 38:35 - 38:36
    "so help me God."
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    Everyone swore to it.
  • 38:40 - 38:42
    It was mandatory.
  • 38:44 - 38:45
    Yes.
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    But you're such
    a perceptive man, Dr. Wieck.
  • 38:51 - 38:53
    You could see what was coming.
  • 38:53 - 38:55
    You could see that National Socialism
  • 38:55 - 38:58
    was leading Germany to disaster.
  • 38:58 - 39:01
    "It was clear to anyone
    who had eyes and ears."
  • 39:03 - 39:04
    Didn't you realize
  • 39:05 - 39:09
    what it would have meant
    if you, and men like you,
  • 39:10 - 39:13
    would have refused to swear to the oath?
  • 39:13 - 39:15
    It would have meant
  • 39:15 - 39:18
    that Hitler could never
    have come to absolute power.
  • 39:21 - 39:22
    Why didn't you?
  • 39:23 - 39:25
    Dr. Wieck, why didn't you?
  • 39:26 - 39:29
    Can you give us an explanation?
  • 39:30 - 39:32
    Has it something to do with your pension?
  • 39:32 - 39:34
    Did your pension mean more to you
    than your country?
  • 39:35 - 39:36
    Your Honor, Your Honor!
  • 39:36 - 39:38
    I object to the entire
    line of questioning,
  • 39:38 - 39:41
    and ask that it be
    stricken from the record.
  • 39:41 - 39:42
    I thought prosecuting counsel
  • 39:42 - 39:44
    was dedicated to finding responsibility.
  • 39:44 - 39:46
    Your Honor, I made an objection.
  • 39:46 - 39:49
    Prosecution is not interested
    in finding responsibility?
  • 39:49 - 39:51
    There is responsibility for more here
  • 39:51 - 39:54
    than swearing to a loyalty oath
    and you know it.
  • 39:54 - 39:56
    -There is indeed.
    -Order.
  • 39:56 - 39:58
    LAWSON:
    One thing that even the German machine,
  • 39:58 - 39:59
    with its monumental efficiency
  • 39:59 - 40:02
    has been unable to destroy… Order. Order!
  • 40:02 - 40:03
    All the victims.
  • 40:03 - 40:05
    More victims than the world
    has ever known.
  • 40:05 - 40:07
    They will walk into this courtroom…
  • 40:07 - 40:08
    Order! Order!
  • 40:10 - 40:12
    This tribunal will admonish both counsel.
  • 40:12 - 40:14
    It will tolerate nothing
    of this kind again.
  • 40:14 - 40:18
    We're not here to listen to outbursts
    of this kind, but to serve justice.
  • 40:18 - 40:20
    Your Honor, I made an objection.
  • 40:20 - 40:22
    The objection is overruled.
  • 40:23 - 40:25
    The witness is excused.
  • 40:58 - 41:00
    Did you ever read any books by Janning?
  • 41:00 - 41:02
    No, I don't think so.
  • 41:02 - 41:03
    The Meaning of the Law.
  • 41:03 - 41:05
    How is it? Interesting?
  • 41:05 - 41:08
    All the books by Janning are interesting.
    They're more than that.
  • 41:08 - 41:11
    They're a picture of an era,
    its hopes, its aspirations.
  • 41:12 - 41:14
    They weren't very different
    from ours, really.
  • 41:14 - 41:18
    Listen to this, on the signing
    of the Weimar Constitution,
  • 41:18 - 41:22
    "Now we can look forward
    to a Germany without guns and bloodshed,
  • 41:22 - 41:25
    "a Germany of justice,
    where men can live instead of die,
  • 41:26 - 41:29
    "a Germany of purpose,
    of freedom, of humanity,
  • 41:29 - 41:32
    "a Germany that calls
    for the best in man."
  • 41:32 - 41:34
    Now, how could a man
    who wrote words like these
  • 41:34 - 41:36
    be part of sterilizations and murders?
  • 41:36 - 41:37
    How could he be?
  • 41:37 - 41:40
    Dan, there are a lot of things
    that happened here
  • 41:40 - 41:42
    that nobody understands.
  • 41:42 - 41:43
    I know.
  • 41:44 - 41:48
    But the prosecution is going to have to
    prove every inch of its allegation
  • 41:48 - 41:52
    against a man like Janning
    if I'm to pronounce sentence on him.
  • 41:52 - 41:55
    Well, gentlemen, I'm on my way.
    Coming, Ken?
  • 41:55 - 41:56
    Right.
  • 41:57 - 41:58
    Well, there's just this business
  • 41:59 - 42:01
    on the curtailment of rights.
  • 42:01 - 42:02
    Tomorrow.
  • 42:02 - 42:05
    Dan, my wife is planning
    a little get-together
  • 42:05 - 42:08
    tomorrow night at the grand hotel.
    She wants you to come.
  • 42:08 - 42:10
    I thank you.
  • 42:10 - 42:11
    And she'd like to provide you
  • 42:11 - 42:13
    with some kind of female companionship.
  • 42:13 - 42:14
    [LAUGHS]
  • 42:14 - 42:16
    She has a feeling
    that you might be lonely here.
  • 42:16 - 42:19
    Oh, no. No, thanks, Curtiss.
    Thanks very much.
  • 42:19 - 42:21
    You know how these wives are.
    They love to play cupid.
  • 42:21 - 42:23
    Yeah, well, I think I'll keep it stag.
  • 42:23 - 42:25
    All right. How about you, Ken?
  • 42:25 - 42:27
    Thanks. My wife and I
    have an engagement. Good night.
  • 42:27 - 42:28
    Good night. Good night.
  • 42:28 - 42:30
    -Good night, Dan.
    -Good night.
  • 42:38 - 42:39
    [DOOR CLOSING]
  • 42:50 - 42:52
    Mrs. Halbestadt, could I…
  • 42:54 - 42:56
    Hello.
  • 42:57 - 42:58
    Hello.
  • 42:59 - 43:02
    Your Honor, this is Madame Bertholt.
  • 43:02 - 43:04
    This is his Honor, Judge Haywood.
  • 43:06 - 43:09
    MRS. HALBESTADT:
    Madame Bertholt, this is her house.
  • 43:09 - 43:12
    Uh, she came to get
    some of her belongings from the basement.
  • 43:12 - 43:14
    I didn't know she was coming here tonight.
  • 43:14 - 43:16
    This is my responsibility,
    Mrs. Halbestadt.
  • 43:17 - 43:19
    I've been storing some of my things here
  • 43:19 - 43:21
    until I could get a room
    large enough to keep them in.
  • 43:22 - 43:23
    I hope you don't mind.
  • 43:23 - 43:24
    No. No. Not at all.
  • 43:25 - 43:27
    You can examine
    what I have here, if you like.
  • 43:28 - 43:29
    Of course not.
  • 43:29 - 43:31
    Then I'll just take these out.
  • 43:31 - 43:33
    -Thanks, Mrs. Halbestadt.
    -Here. Let me help you.
  • 43:33 - 43:35
    No, no, no. I can manage all right.
  • 43:35 - 43:37
    I'll take these outside. Please.
  • 43:37 - 43:38
    Good night.
  • 43:38 - 43:39
    [SPEAKS GERMAN]
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    It's heavy.
    It's full of books and pictures
  • 43:54 - 43:57
    things that mean nothing
    to anyone but me.
  • 43:57 - 43:58
    Mr. Schmidt?
  • 43:59 - 44:00
    Your Honor.
  • 44:01 - 44:04
    Would you drive
    Mrs. Bertholt home, please?
  • 44:04 - 44:05
    Yes, Your Honor.
  • 44:05 - 44:07
    I hope you're comfortable here.
  • 44:07 - 44:08
    Yes, I am. Very.
  • 44:08 - 44:11
    My favorite spot was always the garden.
  • 44:11 - 44:14
    Remind Mr. Halbestadt
    to take good care of the rock garden.
  • 44:14 - 44:17
    You'll get a great deal
    of pleasure out of it in summer.
  • 44:17 - 44:19
    I'll sit in front, thank you.
  • 44:21 - 44:23
    Good night.
  • 44:23 - 44:25
    Karolinenstrasse 115, please.
  • 44:25 - 44:26
    Yes, madam.
  • 44:27 - 44:29
    [ENGINE STARTING]
  • 44:42 - 44:44
    [WHISPERING IN GERMAN]
  • 44:47 - 44:48
    Sit down. Sit down.
  • 44:50 - 44:52
    Uh, Mrs. Halbestadt,
  • 44:52 - 44:54
    you worked for Mrs. Bertholt, didn't you?
  • 44:56 - 44:57
    Yes, Your Honor.
  • 44:57 - 44:59
    How long did she live here?
  • 45:00 - 45:01
    Madame Bertholt?
  • 45:02 - 45:04
    Oh, Madame Bertholt
    and her family have lived here
  • 45:04 - 45:06
    for many generations, Your Honor.
  • 45:07 - 45:09
    Thank you.
  • 45:11 - 45:14
    MRS. HALBESTADT: Your Honor,
    you came in here for something?
  • 45:14 - 45:15
    Oh, oh, yeah.
  • 45:15 - 45:17
    Well, I was just going
    to make myself a sandwich.
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    Oh, we will make it for you.
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    We will make you anything you want.
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    No. No, it's nothing.
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    I always used to do it
    for myself back home.
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    What would you like?
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    I have some ham
    and cheese and liverwurst.
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    Cheese will be fine.
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    That's very kind of you.
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    Mr. Halbestadt,
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    what was it like,
    uh, living under National Socialism?
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    What was it like?
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    Yes. I mean, uh… Uh, day to day?
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    You know, I know
    many people at home like you.
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    You're good people. I believe that.
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    Uh,
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    what was it like for
    you, living under Hitler?
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    Uh, we were not political.
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    Mr. Halbestadt and I are not political.
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    [SPEAKING GERMAN]
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    [SPEAKS GERMAN]
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    No, but, uh,
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    you must have been aware
    of some of the events that were going on.
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    Many things were going on, Mr. Halbestadt.
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    There were parades.
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    Hitler and Goebbels came here every year.
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    What was it like?
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    We… We never attended meetings. Never.
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    [CHUCKLES]
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    I'm not trying to put you on trial.
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    I'm just, uh… I'm just curious.
    I'd like to know.
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    Here's your sandwich, Your Honor.
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    Thank you.
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    You're welcome.
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    Thank you.
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    [SIGHING]
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    For instance, there was
    a place called Dachau
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    which was not too many miles from here.
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    Did you ever know
    what was going on there?
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    We knew nothing about it.
    Nothing about it.
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    How… How can you ask if…
    If we knew anything about that?
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    I'm sorry.
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    Your Honor, we are only little people.
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    We lost a son in the army
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    and our daughter in the bombing.
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    During the war we almost starved.
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    It was terrible for us.
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    I'm sure it was.
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    Hitler… Hitler did some good things.
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    I won't say he didn't do some good things.
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    He built the Autobahn.
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    He gave more people work.
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    We won't say he didn't do
    some good things.
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    But the… The other things,
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    the things they say
    he did to the Jews and the rest,
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    we knew nothing about that.
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    Very few Germans did.
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    And if we did know,
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    what could we do?
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    But Mrs. Halbestadt said you didn't know.
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    [CLEARS THROAT]
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    Mrs. Bertholt. How did…
    How did, uh, she react to all this?
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    Oh, Madame Bertholt
    is a very fine woman, Your Honor.
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    I'm sure she is. What about her husband?
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    He was in the army.
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    What happened to him?
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    He was one of the defendants
    in the Malmedy case.
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    General Bertholt. Karl Bertholt.
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    He was executed, Your Honor.
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    Yes, I know that.
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    LAWSON: The document then states that
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    the photographer, Rudolf Lenz,
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    is requested to present himself
    within two weeks
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    at one the hospitals mentioned below
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    for medical treatment.
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    Next, prosecution presents
    affidavit document No. 488
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    which concerns the seamstress,
    Anni Meunch.
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    Document reads as follows,
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    "District Court, Frankfurt am Main,
    has decided the following,
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    "the seamstress, Anni Meunch, daughter of
    Wilhelm Meunch is to be sterilized.
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    "She is therefore requested
    to present herself within two weeks
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    "at one of the hospitals mentioned below.
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    "If she does not
    take herself voluntarily,
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    "she will be taken by force."
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    Next, document no. 449,
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    interrogatories in the German
    and English text
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    concerning the farmer's helper,
    Meyer Eichinger.
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    Your Honor…
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    Defense objects
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    to introduction of these
    repetitive documents.
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    According to the ruling
    of the first tribunal,
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    such documents are not even admissible
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    unless supported by independent
    evidence of their authenticity.
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    Objection sustained.
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    Your Honor, uh,
    may I ask the defense a question?
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    HAYWOOD: Yes.
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    Would evidence on sterilization
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    be admissible if there were a witness?
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    Yes.
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    Thank you.
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    Prosecution calls the witness,
    Rudolph Petersen.
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    Will you raise your right hand?
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    I swear by God,
    the Almighty and Omniscient,
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    that I will speak the pure truth
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    and withhold and add nothing.
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    Yes, I do.
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    Will you please tell the court your full
    name and place of residence?
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    Rudolph Petersen.
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    Frankfurt am Main, Gratweg Nummer 7.
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    LAWSON: When were you born, Mr. Petersen?
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    May 20, 1914.
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    And, uh, what is your occupation?
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    Baker's helper. I'm a baker's helper.
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    Are your parents living?
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    No.
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    Oh, what were the causes of their deaths?
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    Mr. Petersen, did they…
    Did they die of natural causes?
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    Yeah, yeah, yeah, natural.
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    Mr. Petersen,
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    what political party
    did your father belong to?
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    Communist. The Communist Party.
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    Uh-huh.
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    Now… Now think back.
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    Do you remember anything unusual
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    that happened to you
    and your family in 1933,
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    before the Nazis came to power?
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    I mean, uh, anything of a violent nature.
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    Yeah. Yeah.
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    How old were you at the time?
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    19.
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    Would you please
    tell the court what happened?
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    Uh, some…
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    Some S.A. men
    broke into the house, our house…
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    And they broke the windows and the door,
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    and they called us traitors,
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    and they tried to… To beat up my father.
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    LAWSON: And what happened then?
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    Well, my brothers and I,
    we went to help him.
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    And there was a fight,
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    and finally we got them
    outside in the street
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    and we beat them up,
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    and turned them over to the police.
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    Did the police do anything about it?
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    -No.
    -Why not?
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    It was then,
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    at the time of the…
    Of the national elections.
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    LAWSON: Oh, you mean the time
    the National Socialists
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    came to power?
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    Yeah.
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    Now, Mr. Petersen,
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    what happened after 1933,
  • 54:04 - 54:06
    after the Nazis came to power?
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    [SIGHING] I got a job on a farm,
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    but for the work,
    to drive a truck, it was necessary.
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    I went to the city building
    to apply for a license.
  • 54:20 - 54:22
    And what happened there?
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    They took me to an official.
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    Did you ever have any dealings
    with this, uh, official before?
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    He was one of the men
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    who broke into our house that night.
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    What did he say to your application?
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    He said an examination
    there would have to be.
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    Where was the examination to take place?
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    In the District Court of Stuttgart.
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    Who was the presiding
    justice in the court?
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    Justice Hoffstetter.
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    Now, what happened in the courtroom?
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    Uh, they asked me my… My full name and…
  • 55:12 - 55:14
    And so forth.
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    What else did they ask you?
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    They asked me when Adolf Hitler
    and Dr. Goebbels were born.
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    What did you reply?
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    I told them I didn't know,
    and also that I didn't care.
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    [PEOPLE LAUGHING]
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    Did they, uh,
    did they ask you any more questions?
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    No. They told me that I would be
    hearing from them in 10 days.
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    I see. Now, Mr. Petersen,
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    I'd like you to look at something.
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    Do you recognize it?
  • 56:09 - 56:10
    Yeah.
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    Would you please read it for the tribunal?
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    "District Court of Stuttgart.
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    "The baker, Rudolph Petersen,
    born May 20, 1914,
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    "son of railway employee, Hans Petersen…
  • 56:32 - 56:34
    "Is to be sterilized."
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    LAWSON:
    Now would you read the last paragraph?
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    "It is therefore requested
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    "he present himself within two weeks
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    "to one of the hospitals mentioned below.
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    "If he does not
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    "betake himself voluntarily…
  • 57:03 - 57:05
    "He will be taken by force."
  • 57:09 - 57:12
    Now, please read the signature
    at the bottom.
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    "Presiding Justice Hoffstetter."
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    Would you read
    what is written below the signature?
  • 57:26 - 57:27
    Below?
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    LAWSON: Below.
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    "By authority of
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    "Ernst Janning,
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    "Minister of Justice."
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    Your Honor…
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    May the defense see the file
    of Mr. Petersen?
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    What did you do after you
    received the letter, Mr. Petersen?
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    I ran away.
    I stayed at the farm of a friend I have.
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    And, uh, did you return?
  • 58:02 - 58:03
    Did I what?
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    Did you return?
  • 58:05 - 58:07
    Yes.
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    And what happened then?
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    The police came.
  • 58:12 - 58:14
    The police came.
  • 58:14 - 58:15
    Where did they take you?
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    To the hospital.
  • 58:20 - 58:23
    Uh, Mr. Petersen, excuse me.
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    I wonder if you could
    speak a little louder, please.
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    To the hospital.
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    And what happened at the hospital?
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    They kept me there.
  • 58:35 - 58:38
    The, uh, the nurse who was…
  • 58:40 - 58:42
    Well, she came in, anyway.
  • 58:42 - 58:45
    She was to prepare me for the operation.
  • 58:45 - 58:50
    And she said she thought
    the whole thing was terrible.
  • 58:53 - 58:57
    And then the doctor came in
    who was supposed to do the…
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    And he said he thought it was awful.
  • 59:05 - 59:08
    Were you, in fact, sterilized?
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    LAWSON:
    Thank you very much, Mr. Petersen.
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    That's all.
  • 59:25 - 59:26
    HAYWOOD: Herr Rolfe?
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    Mr. Petersen, [CLEARING THROAT]
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    You may take your earphones off now,
    if you want to.
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    Mr. Petersen,
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    you say you work as a baker's helper?
    Is that correct?
  • 59:56 - 59:58
    Yes, that is right.
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    What other occupations have you held?
  • 60:02 - 60:05
    I have worked for my father.
  • 60:06 - 60:07
    What did your father do?
  • 60:08 - 60:10
    He was a railroad worker.
  • 60:11 - 60:13
    Yes, but, uh, what did he do?
  • 60:14 - 60:19
    Oh, he would raise and lower the barrier
  • 60:20 - 60:23
    at the crossing, for traffic.
  • 60:26 - 60:29
    And you spoke about your brothers.
  • 60:30 - 60:31
    How many brothers do you have?
  • 60:32 - 60:33
    Five.
  • 60:33 - 60:35
    And sisters?
  • 60:35 - 60:36
    Four.
  • 60:36 - 60:38
    Then you are a family of 10?
  • 60:38 - 60:39
    Yes.
  • 60:42 - 60:44
    What occupations do your brothers have?
  • 60:45 - 60:46
    Laborers.
  • 60:47 - 60:49
    All laborers?
  • 60:49 - 60:50
    I see.
  • 60:52 - 60:54
    Mr. Petersen,
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    you said the court at Stuttgart
    asked you two questions,
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    the birth dates of
    Hitler and Dr. Goebbels.
  • 60:59 - 61:00
    Is that correct?
  • 61:00 - 61:02
    Yes, correct.
  • 61:02 - 61:04
    What else did they ask you?
  • 61:05 - 61:06
    Uh,
  • 61:07 - 61:08
    nothing else.
  • 61:10 - 61:11
    Are you sure?
  • 61:12 - 61:15
    Are you sure there were no questions
    about your schooling?
  • 61:15 - 61:17
    LAWSON: Objection!
  • 61:18 - 61:20
    The witness has already
    answered that question.
  • 61:25 - 61:26
    Objection sustained.
  • 61:32 - 61:33
    May I ask you,
  • 61:35 - 61:36
    Mr. Petersen…
  • 61:39 - 61:41
    May I ask you…
  • 61:44 - 61:46
    How long did you attend school?
  • 61:47 - 61:48
    Six years.
  • 61:48 - 61:51
    Six years? Why not longer?
  • 61:52 - 61:53
    [EXHALING]
  • 61:53 - 61:54
    I had to go to work.
  • 61:55 - 61:59
    Would you consider yourself
    a very bright fellow at school?
  • 62:00 - 62:02
    School? It was a…
  • 62:04 - 62:06
    It was a long while ago. I don't…
  • 62:07 - 62:10
    Perhaps you were not able
    to keep up with the others
  • 62:10 - 62:12
    and that's why you did not continue?
  • 62:13 - 62:15
    Objection, Your Honor.
  • 62:15 - 62:18
    The witness' school record has nothing to
    do with what happened to him.
  • 62:18 - 62:20
    It was the task of the health court
  • 62:20 - 62:22
    to sterilize the mentally incompetent.
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    Objection overruled.
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    Were you able, or were you not able
  • 62:40 - 62:42
    to keep up with the others?
  • 62:47 - 62:49
    I would like to refer
    to the efficiency report
  • 62:49 - 62:52
    made at the school about Mr. Petersen.
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    He failed to be promoted, and was
    placed in a class of backward children.
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    You say your parents died
    of natural causes.
  • 63:05 - 63:06
    Yes.
  • 63:06 - 63:10
    Would you describe in detail
    the illness your mother died of?
  • 63:10 - 63:12
    She died of her heart.
  • 63:13 - 63:15
    In the last stages of her illness,
  • 63:15 - 63:21
    did your mother show
    any mental peculiarities?
  • 63:21 - 63:24
    Uh, me… No. No.
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    In the decision
    that came down from Stuttgart,
  • 63:28 - 63:30
    it is stated that your mother suffered
  • 63:30 - 63:32
    from hereditary feeble-mindedness.
  • 63:32 - 63:33
    That is not…
  • 63:33 - 63:36
    That is not true! Not true! Not true!
  • 63:38 - 63:41
    Can you give us
    some clarification as to how
  • 63:41 - 63:43
    the hereditary health court in Stuttgart
  • 63:43 - 63:44
    arrived at that decision?
  • 63:45 - 63:48
    It was just something they said
  • 63:48 - 63:50
    to put me on the operating table.
  • 63:50 - 63:51
    It was just something they said?
  • 63:51 - 63:52
    Yes!
  • 63:53 - 63:57
    Mr. Petersen, there was a simple test
  • 63:59 - 64:03
    that the health court used to ask
    in all cases of mental incompetence.
  • 64:03 - 64:06
    Since you say they did not ask you then,
  • 64:06 - 64:09
    perhaps you can answer it for us now.
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    Form a sentence out of the words
  • 64:11 - 64:13
    "hare," "hunter," "field."
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    Your Honor, objection.
  • 64:20 - 64:22
    Mr. Petersen…
  • 64:24 - 64:28
    Was the court in Stuttgart
    constituted like this one?
  • 64:29 - 64:32
    I don't understand what…
  • 64:32 - 64:34
    Was there an audience?
  • 64:35 - 64:37
    An audience? Yes, yes.
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    Thank you.
  • 64:43 - 64:45
    Objection overruled.
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    "Hare," "hunter," "field."
  • 64:52 - 64:53
    Mr. Petersen…
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    Take your time.
  • 64:59 - 65:01
    "Hare," "hunter," "field."
  • 65:01 - 65:02
    [GRUNTS]
  • 65:03 - 65:04
    [CLEARING THROAT]
  • 65:04 - 65:08
    "Hare," "hunter."
  • 65:11 - 65:14
    They had already made up…
  • 65:15 - 65:18
    When I walked into the court,
    they had made up their minds.
  • 65:18 - 65:21
    They had made up their minds!
  • 65:22 - 65:25
    They put me in the
    hospital, like a criminal.
  • 65:25 - 65:29
    I could not say anything.
    I could not do anything. I…
  • 65:31 - 65:33
    I had to lay there.
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    My… My mother,
  • 65:40 - 65:42
    what you say about her…
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    She was a woman,
    a servant woman who worked hard.
  • 65:46 - 65:48
    She was a hardworking woman,
  • 65:48 - 65:52
    and it is not fair, not fair what you say.
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    Ah, here.
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    I want to show you.
    I have here her… Her picture.
  • 66:06 - 66:08
    I would like you to look at it.
  • 66:20 - 66:22
    I would like you to judge.
  • 66:24 - 66:28
    I want that you tell me
  • 66:29 - 66:31
    was she feeble-minded?
  • 66:33 - 66:34
    My mother!
  • 66:36 - 66:38
    Was she feeble-minded?
  • 66:41 - 66:43
    Was she?
  • 66:53 - 66:56
    I feel it is my duty
    to point out to the tribunal
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    that the witness
    is not in control of his mental processes.
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    I know I am not. Since that day.
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    I've been half I've ever been.
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    The tribunal does not know
    how you were before.
  • 67:22 - 67:24
    It can never know.
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    It has only your word.
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    [POUNDING GAVEL]
  • 67:49 - 67:50
    Court is adjourned.
  • 67:50 - 67:52
    [PEOPLE MURMURING]
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    That's one problem we have
    with the prosecution.
  • 68:06 - 68:08
    It's filled with young
    radicals like Lawson.
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    Is that what Lawson is? A young radical?
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    Well, he was a personal protégé of F.D.R.
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    Well, F.D.R. had a few friends
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    who weren't radicals, didn't he?
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    Name one.
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    Well, Wendell Wilkie.
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    Wilkie.
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    Is he your idea of a conservative?
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    As a matter of fact, Dan,
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    I've been wondering how you stand.
  • 68:31 - 68:33
    Well, I'll clarify that for you, Curtiss.
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    I'm a rock-ribbed Republican
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    who thought
    that Franklin Roosevelt was a great man.
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    [PEOPLE CLAPPING]
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    Oh, one of those?
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    [LAUGHING]
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    Max!
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    Max Perkins. You know him?
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    No, I don't think so.
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    He's with the United Press.
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    Max, what are you doing here?
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    I thought you might
    kick up a row or something.
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    I haven't had that much to drink.
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    Oh, I'm sorry, this is Judge Ives.
  • 69:03 - 69:05
    -Hello.
    -Mrs. Ives.
  • 69:05 - 69:07
    -How do you do?
    -How do you do?
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    MAX: Judge Haywood, Mrs. Bertholt.
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    We have met.
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    Yes, we have.
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    IVES: Won't you join us for a drink?
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    We would like to very much.
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    IVES: Max, will you sit here?
    MAX: Thank you.
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    Incidentally, Max, I admired your article
    on Mrs. Bertholt very much.
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    It was straight reporting. Her defense
    of her husband was quite eloquent.
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    IVES: Are you going to do a story
    on these trials?
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    I'll tell you something frankly, Judge.
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    At the moment, I couldn't give a story
    away on the Nuremberg trials.
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    What do you mean, Mr. Perkins?
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    The American public
    just isn't interested anymore.
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    But the war's only been over two years,
    Mr. Perkins.
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    That's right.
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    May I take your order, please?
  • 69:46 - 69:47
    Yes. See what the ladies will have.
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    How about some more beer, Dan?
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    No, no, no.
    I think I've had my fill of beer.
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    I'd like to try something else, if I may.
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    Why don't you try some Sonnenberg,
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    or Schwalbenwinkel? It's the local wine.
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    Sonnenberg or… Schwalbenwinkel.
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    Yes, I think I'd like that.
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    Some Schweissenwinkel.
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    Will you have some?
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    Yes, thank you. I'll have the same.
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    Should we stay with the beer, Max?
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    Fine.
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    Thank you, thank you.
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    You got home all right the other night?
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    Oh, yes, thank you.
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    I don't know
    what I would have done without the car.
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    You speak, uh, English very well,
    Mrs. Bertholt.
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    Thank you.
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    My husband and I
    spent three years in America.
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    I hope you had a chance
    to see something of Nuremberg.
  • 70:33 - 70:34
    Well.
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    Well, I'm afraid mainly the…
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    The road between my house
    and the Palace of Justice.
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    Uh, and then some places
    that have to do with the case,
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    the historical aspects.
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    The Nazi aspects.
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    You should see some
    of the other parts of Nuremberg.
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    There are many beautiful things to see
    in the old part of town.
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    Museums we're trying to rebuild.
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    And there's a concert, a piano concert,
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    next week at the old opera house.
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    Arthur Reiss.
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    He was a refugee from Hitler
    in the early days.
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    We've persuaded him to come back.
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    It ought to be quite an evening.
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    Would you like to come?
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    Yes, I would.
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    I'll tell them to leave a ticket for you
    at the box office.
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    I'm on the committee.
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    Thank you very much, Mrs. Bertholt.
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    Oh, it's nothing.
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    You see, I have a mission
    with the Americans,
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    as Mr. Perkins can tell you.
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    Oh, what is that?
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    To convince you that
    we're not all monsters.
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    -Good evening, Colonel.
    -Good evening.
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    Colonel. Major Radnitz.
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    Good evening, Mrs. Bertholt.
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    I hope you'll excuse me.
  • 71:43 - 71:45
    But you've just come, Mrs…
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    No, I must go. Please excuse me.
  • 71:46 - 71:48
    It was awfully nice meeting you.
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    If you really want to hear the concert,
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    there'll be a ticket for
    you at the box office.
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    -Thank you.
    -Good night.
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    Good night.
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    Good night, Mrs. Bertholt. Max.
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    [LAUGHS]
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    Mrs. Bertholt doesn't hold
    a burning passion for me.
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    I prosecuted her husband.
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    There are many people
    who think a death sentence
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    would not have been passed
    against General Bertholt today.
  • 72:18 - 72:19
    Oh, I'm sure there are.
  • 72:20 - 72:22
    I'm… I'm sure there are people who think
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    all the prisoners in Nuremberg
    should be free today.
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    All of them. Let… Let…
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    Excuse me.
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    I've had, uh…
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    I've had one or two too many
  • 72:35 - 72:38
    as might be painfully obvious
    to you gentlemen.
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    The spectacle this afternoon
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    with Mr. Petersen put me off my feed.
    I'm sorry.
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    Three beers and Schwalbenwinkel, please.
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    [SPEAKS GERMAN]
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    Schwalbenwinkel.
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    Yeah, it's good beer.
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    They make it good in this country.
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    Mmm.
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    You know…
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    You know, there's, uh,
    there's one thing about Americans.
  • 73:08 - 73:11
    We're not cut out to be occupiers.
  • 73:11 - 73:14
    We're new at it.
    We're not very good at it.
  • 73:14 - 73:17
    We… We… We come over here,
    and what do we see?
  • 73:18 - 73:20
    We see this beautiful country.
  • 73:20 - 73:23
    It is beautiful. It's very beautiful.
  • 73:23 - 73:27
    We see the culture
    that goes back for hundreds of years.
  • 73:27 - 73:29
    We see its gemütlich charm,
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    and the charm of people like,
    uh, Mrs. Bertholt.
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    We… We've got a built-in
    inferiority complex.
  • 73:38 - 73:40
    We forgive and forget easy.
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    We give the other guy
    the benefit of the doubt.
  • 73:43 - 73:45
    That's the American way.
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    [LAUGHING]
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    We beat the greatest war machine
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    since Alexander the Great.
  • 73:52 - 73:54
    And now the boy scouts take over.
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    The trouble with you, Colonel,
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    is you'd like to indict the whole country.
  • 73:59 - 74:03
    Now that might be
    emotionally satisfying to you,
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    but it wouldn't be exactly practical,
    and hardly fair.
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    Hardly fair?
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    "Hare."
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    "Hunter."
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    "Field."
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    That's right, let's be fair.
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    "The hare was shot
    by the hunter in the field."
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    It's really quite simple.
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    Uh,
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    Colonel, I think we ought to be going.
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    Yes, we really shouldn't
    be discussing this.
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    Oh, no, no, Judge.
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    We're fair Americans, and true-blue.
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    We mustn't do anything
    that's out of order.
  • 74:44 - 74:47
    No, sir. We can't do anything
    that's out of order.
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    There are no Nazis in Germany.
  • 74:53 - 74:55
    Didn't you know that, Judge?
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    The Eskimos invaded Germany
    and took over.
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    That's how all those
    terrible things happened.
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    It wasn't the fault of the Germans.
  • 75:03 - 75:06
    It was the fault of those damn Eskimos.
  • 75:08 - 75:11
    Excuse me. Excuse me.
  • 75:11 - 75:12
    Good night, Colonel.
  • 75:12 - 75:14
    Good night.
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    Can I have your attention, please?
  • 75:30 - 75:32
    I'm sorry to interrupt your dancing.
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    The following officers
    are requested to report to their units.
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    Major McCarthy, Major Citron,
    Major Cantor, Captain Byers,
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    Captain Connell,
    Captain Douglas, Captain Wolfe,
  • 75:45 - 75:47
    Major Booth, and Major Rice.
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    Thank you. You can continue dancing.
  • 75:51 - 75:53
    [BAND STARTS PLAYING]
  • 75:54 - 75:55
    Harry, what is it?
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    The Russians have made their move
    in Czechoslovakia.
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    It's rumored Masaryk committed suicide.
  • 76:00 - 76:02
    We're sending some units up there.
  • 76:02 - 76:04
    IVES: What do you think's gonna happen?
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    I don't know.
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    Uh, Judge Haywood…
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    Elsa Scheffler.
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    [SPEAKS GERMAN]
  • 76:18 - 76:19
    [SPEAKS GERMAN]
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    "President Truman responded to the crisis
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    "by calling for an extension
    of military training.
  • 76:28 - 76:31
    "He stated that he is deeply concerned
  • 76:31 - 76:33
    "with the survival of the Western nations
  • 76:33 - 76:36
    "in face of the threat from the east."
  • 76:36 - 76:38
    "Threat from the east." [SCOFFS]
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    Herr Janning, did you hear this?
  • 76:40 - 76:42
    Herr Janning, did you hear
    what's in the paper?
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    Exactly what Hitler said.
  • 76:44 - 76:47
    "The clash for survival
    between east and west."
  • 76:47 - 76:48
    He knew, he knew!
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    They'll see that we knew
    exactly what we were doing all the time.
  • 76:53 - 76:54
    They cannot call us criminals,
  • 76:55 - 76:57
    and at the same time ask us to help them.
  • 76:57 - 76:59
    We must stand together now.
  • 76:59 - 77:02
    The most crucial part of this case
    is coming up.
  • 77:02 - 77:05
    We have fallen on happy times, Herr Hahn.
  • 77:05 - 77:08
    In the old times
    it would have made your day
  • 77:08 - 77:10
    if I'd deigned to say good morning to you.
  • 77:10 - 77:13
    Now that we are here
    in this place together,
  • 77:13 - 77:16
    you feel obliged to tell me
    what to do with my life.
  • 77:16 - 77:18
    Herr Janning, you must stand with us.
  • 77:18 - 77:21
    It is not good for Germans
    to turn on one another.
  • 77:21 - 77:23
    We have a common ground now.
  • 77:24 - 77:26
    Listen to me, Herr Hahn.
  • 77:26 - 77:28
    There have been terrible things
  • 77:28 - 77:29
    that have happened to me in my life.
  • 77:30 - 77:32
    But the worst thing that has ever happened
  • 77:32 - 77:35
    is to find myself
    in the company of men like you.
  • 77:35 - 77:38
    I have nothing in common
    with you and party hacks like you.
  • 77:38 - 77:39
    You have something in common.
  • 77:39 - 77:41
    You were part of that same regime.
  • 77:41 - 77:44
    You stood by that regime,
    the same as the rest of us.
  • 77:44 - 77:47
    And there's something else
    you have in common.
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    You are a German.
  • 77:51 - 77:53
    [PIANO PLAYING]
  • 79:10 - 79:11
    [INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS]
  • 79:22 - 79:24
    Good evening. Did you like it?
  • 79:24 - 79:27
    Oh, yes, I did, I did. Very much indeed.
  • 79:27 - 79:28
    Can I drop you?
  • 79:28 - 79:30
    I only live a few blocks from here.
  • 79:30 - 79:31
    I was going to walk.
  • 79:32 - 79:33
    Would you like to go for a walk?
  • 79:34 - 79:35
    Yes, yes, I would.
  • 79:35 - 79:37
    I won't need the car now.
    I'll walk with Mrs. Bertholt.
  • 79:37 - 79:39
    You want me to wait for you, Your Honor?
  • 79:39 - 79:40
    No, no, that won't be necessary.
  • 79:40 - 79:43
    I'll wait for you, Your Honor.
  • 79:46 - 79:48
    [MEN SINGING IN GERMAN]
  • 80:19 - 80:22
    The German people love to sing,
    no matter what the situation.
  • 80:22 - 80:24
    I've noticed that.
  • 80:25 - 80:28
    Do American people sing in bars, too?
  • 80:28 - 80:30
    I have forgotten.
  • 80:30 - 80:33
    No. We're apt to be pretty sullen in bars.
  • 80:36 - 80:38
    [SINGING IN GERMAN]
  • 80:45 - 80:47
    I wish you understood German.
  • 80:48 - 80:51
    The words are very beautiful.
  • 80:51 - 80:52
    Very sad.
  • 80:53 - 80:55
    Much sadder than the… The English words.
  • 80:56 - 81:00
    The German soldier knows
    he's going to lose his girl
  • 81:01 - 81:02
    and his life.
  • 81:05 - 81:07
    The lantern burns every night.
  • 81:07 - 81:09
    It knows the steps
  • 81:10 - 81:12
    and the way you walk.
  • 81:13 - 81:17
    It burns every night,
    but I've been long forgotten.
  • 81:18 - 81:20
    Should harm come to me…
  • 81:21 - 81:23
    Who will stand with you
  • 81:24 - 81:26
    under the lantern?
  • 81:27 - 81:30
    With you, Lili Marleen.
  • 81:38 - 81:41
    What is your life like in America?
  • 81:41 - 81:43
    Do you have a family?
  • 81:43 - 81:46
    Yes, I have a daughter,
    and she has four children.
  • 81:46 - 81:50
    Four? You must be very proud of them.
  • 81:50 - 81:51
    Yes, I am. I admit it.
  • 81:53 - 81:54
    And where's your wife?
  • 81:54 - 81:56
    She died a few years ago.
  • 81:57 - 81:58
    Cigarettes?
  • 82:00 - 82:02
    How about you? Do you have children?
  • 82:02 - 82:03
    No, I don't.
  • 82:05 - 82:06
    What is your position in America?
  • 82:07 - 82:08
    It must be important.
  • 82:08 - 82:12
    No, it isn't, really.
    I'm a District Court judge.
  • 82:12 - 82:15
    I haven't even been
    that for the last year.
  • 82:15 - 82:16
    Are you retired?
  • 82:16 - 82:19
    Forcibly, by the electorate.
  • 82:19 - 82:22
    You elect judges in the United States?
  • 82:22 - 82:24
    Yes, in some states.
  • 82:24 - 82:26
    I didn't know that.
  • 82:26 - 82:28
    Well, it's either one of the virtues
  • 82:28 - 82:30
    or one of the defects
    of our judiciary system.
  • 82:30 - 82:32
    I thought it was
    one of the virtues until last year,
  • 82:32 - 82:34
    when I was defeated.
  • 82:34 - 82:38
    I'm sure it was the fault
    of the electorate, not yours.
  • 82:38 - 82:40
    Seems to be some difference
    of opinion about that.
  • 82:44 - 82:46
    This is where I live.
  • 82:46 - 82:48
    Here?
  • 82:48 - 82:50
    Yes. It's not so bad inside.
  • 82:50 - 82:51
    Would you like to come up?
  • 82:51 - 82:52
    I could make some coffee.
  • 82:52 - 82:54
    Yes, thank you.
  • 83:12 - 83:15
    Things haven't been
    very easy for you, have they?
  • 83:15 - 83:17
    I'm not used to them being easy.
  • 83:17 - 83:20
    I'm not fragile, Judge Haywood.
  • 83:20 - 83:22
    I'm a daughter of the military.
  • 83:23 - 83:25
    You know what that means, don't you?
  • 83:25 - 83:27
    No, I'm afraid I don't.
  • 83:28 - 83:30
    It means I was taught discipline.
  • 83:31 - 83:33
    A very special kind of discipline.
  • 83:33 - 83:34
    For instance, when I was a child,
  • 83:35 - 83:38
    we used to go for long rides
    into the country in summertime.
  • 83:38 - 83:39
    But I was never allowed to run
  • 83:39 - 83:42
    to the lemonade stand with the others.
  • 83:42 - 83:45
    I was told, "Control your thirst.
  • 83:47 - 83:49
    "Control hunger.
  • 83:50 - 83:51
    "Control emotion."
  • 83:52 - 83:54
    It has served me well.
  • 83:55 - 83:56
    And your husband?
  • 83:56 - 83:59
    Was he of that heritage, too?
  • 83:59 - 84:01
    My husband was a soldier.
  • 84:01 - 84:03
    He was brought up to do one thing,
  • 84:03 - 84:06
    to fight in the battle, and fight well.
  • 84:09 - 84:10
    Is the coffee all right?
  • 84:10 - 84:12
    Fine, thank you.
  • 84:12 - 84:14
    It's ersatz, but I always try
    to make it strong.
  • 84:14 - 84:16
    It's fine.
  • 84:22 - 84:23
    I'm curious.
  • 84:25 - 84:27
    What do you think of Ernst Janning?
  • 84:29 - 84:31
    Mrs. Bertholt, I…
  • 84:31 - 84:35
    I really am not at liberty to discuss
    the case outside of the courtroom.
  • 84:35 - 84:37
    Oh, yes, of course.
  • 84:42 - 84:44
    I knew Ernst Janning a little.
  • 84:44 - 84:47
    We used to attend the same concerts.
  • 84:47 - 84:49
    I remember there was a reception given
  • 84:49 - 84:51
    for Wagner's daughter-in-law.
  • 84:51 - 84:52
    Hitler was there.
  • 84:53 - 84:55
    Ernst Janning was there with his wife.
  • 84:56 - 84:58
    She was very beautiful,
  • 84:58 - 85:00
    very small, very delicate.
  • 85:01 - 85:03
    She's dead now.
  • 85:04 - 85:06
    Hitler was quite taken with her.
  • 85:06 - 85:09
    He made advances towards her
    during the reception.
  • 85:09 - 85:13
    He used to do things like that
    in a burst of emotion.
  • 85:13 - 85:16
    I will never forget the way
    Ernst Janning cut him down.
  • 85:17 - 85:20
    I don't think anybody
    ever did it to him quite that way.
  • 85:20 - 85:22
    He said, "Chancellor,
  • 85:22 - 85:26
    "I do not object so much
    that you are so ill-mannered.
  • 85:27 - 85:29
    "I do not object to that so much.
  • 85:30 - 85:33
    "I object that you are such a bourgeois."
  • 85:34 - 85:37
    Hitler whitened,
    stared at Janning, and walked out.
  • 85:42 - 85:44
    Is the coffee really all right?
  • 85:44 - 85:46
    Fine, thank you.
  • 85:49 - 85:51
    Men, like Janning,
  • 85:52 - 85:53
    my husband and I,
  • 85:53 - 85:55
    we hated Hitler. I want you to know that.
  • 85:56 - 85:58
    And he hated us.
  • 85:58 - 86:02
    He hated my husband
    because he was a real war hero,
  • 86:02 - 86:05
    and the little corporal
    couldn't tolerate that.
  • 86:05 - 86:09
    And he hated him because
    he married into nobility
  • 86:09 - 86:11
    which was my family.
  • 86:11 - 86:13
    Hitler was in awe of the nobility,
  • 86:13 - 86:15
    but he hated it.
  • 86:16 - 86:20
    That's why it's so ironic, what happened.
  • 86:24 - 86:27
    You know what happened
    to my husband, don't you?
  • 86:27 - 86:28
    Yes.
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    What did he know of the crimes
    they cited him for?
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    He was placed on trial
    with the other military leaders.
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    It was part of their revenge.
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    The victors always take on the vanquished.
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    It was political murder.
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    You can see that, can't you?
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    Mrs. Bertholt, I don't know what I see.
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    I probably shouldn't be here
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    talking with you about this at all.
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    But I want to understand.
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    I do want to understand.
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    I have to.
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    Would you like some more coffee?
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    Yes, thank you.
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    Hi.
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    Hi.
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    [SIGHING]
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    We found Irene Hoffman.
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    Where?
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    Berlin.
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    Berlin, huh?
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    She got married. Her name is Wallner now.
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    That's why we had difficulty locating her.
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    When is she coming?
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    She's not coming.
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    What do you mean, she's not coming?
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    She doesn't want to come.
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    You know what it's like.
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    None of them want to testify anymore.
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    If I catch the midnight,
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    I could make it to Berlin,
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    and be back by tomorrow afternoon.
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    Tad, you haven't had any sleep…
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    It'll be worth it if I can get Hoffman.
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    Take over for me in court
    in the morning, will you?
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    WALLNER: Colonel, please!
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    I have told you this before,
    when you first came in.
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    I say it again now.
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    We are through with all this.
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    She does not have to go,
    you have no right to order her to go.
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    Mr. Wallner, I'm not ordering her to go.
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    I have no authority to order her to go.
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    Do you think we get a medal
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    for appearing at these trials?
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    The people do not like them.
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    They do not believe that Germans
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    should testify against other Germans.
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    Now, look, look, I…
    I haven't been prosecuting these cases
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    for the past two years
    without knowing that.
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    It is easy for you to say go.
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    After the trial
    you will go back to America,
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    but we must stay here
    and live with these people.
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    Mr. Wallner, don't you think
    I realize what I'm asking?
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    Then how can you come in like the gestapo,
    in the middle of the night…
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    Because they must not
    be allowed to get away with what they did.
  • 90:04 - 90:07
    You really think
    they won't get away with it in the end?
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    I say the hell with them,
    and the hell with you.
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    Hugo.
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    Emil Hahn will be there?
  • 90:29 - 90:31
    Yes. In the dock.
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    Ernst Janning?
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    Yes.
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    You saw the store downstairs.
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    It's not much,
    but it's a new start for us.
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    They will come if I go to Nuremberg.
  • 91:07 - 91:11
    They will come
    and break the windows of the store.
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    I'll place a guard in front of the store,
    24 hours a day.
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    You do not have to go, Irene.
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    -He has no right to ask you to go.
    -You do have to go.
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    You have to go, for all those people
  • 91:21 - 91:23
    who can't get up there
    on the stand themselves.
  • 91:23 - 91:25
    You do not owe it to anybody, Irene!
  • 91:25 - 91:28
    -Yes, you do!
    -You do not owe it to anybody.
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    You owe it…
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    You owe it to one person, at least.
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    [CRIES]
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    In the night,
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    every night…
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    We've known somehow
    it would come to this.
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    RADNITZ: Dr. Geuter,
    do you recognize that headline?
  • 92:23 - 92:24
    GEUTER: Yes, sir.
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    Would you read it to the tribunal?
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    "Death to the race defiler."
  • 92:30 - 92:31
    In what newspaper did it appear?
  • 92:32 - 92:34
    In Julius Stretcher's Der Stürmer.
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    What was it in connection with?
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    The Feldenstein case.
  • 92:40 - 92:42
    What was the Feldenstein case?
  • 92:43 - 92:47
    Your Honor, defense objects to the
    introduction of the Feldenstein case.
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    It is a notorious case,
    perhaps the most notorious of the period.
  • 92:51 - 92:53
    It has overtones,
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    and appeals to emotion
    that would perhaps be best not raised.
  • 92:59 - 93:03
    There are no issues or overtones
    that may not be raised in this courtroom.
  • 93:03 - 93:06
    The tribunal is interested
    in everything that is relevant.
  • 93:06 - 93:08
    Objection is overruled.
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    It's all right. I'll take it.
  • 93:18 - 93:20
    May it please the tribunal?
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    -You may continue.
    -Thank you.
  • 93:32 - 93:33
    Now.
  • 93:34 - 93:36
    What was the Feldenstein case?
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    The case of a man
    accused of racial pollution.
  • 93:41 - 93:45
    Will you explain what is meant
    by "racial pollution"?
  • 93:46 - 93:50
    This is the, uh, charge that is referred
    to in the, uh, Nuremberg laws.
  • 93:51 - 93:53
    It says that any non-Aryan
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    having sexual relations with an Aryan
    may be punished by death.
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    When did you first become
    acquainted with the Feldenstein case?
  • 94:03 - 94:08
    In, uh, September 1935,
    I was contacted by the police.
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    They said that Mr. Feldenstein
    was being held
  • 94:11 - 94:15
    and, uh, that he requested
    that I serve as his counselor.
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    What position did he hold
    in the community?
  • 94:18 - 94:21
    He was a very well-known merchant.
  • 94:21 - 94:25
    He was one of the heads
    of the Jewish congregation in Nuremberg.
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    What was the nature
    of the charge against him?
  • 94:30 - 94:33
    He was accused
    of having intimate relations
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    with a 16-year-old girl, Irene Hoffman.
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    LAWSON: I see.
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    [INAUDIBLE]
  • 94:43 - 94:45
    And, uh, what did he say
    to you about the case?
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    He said it was false.
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    He said he knew the girl
    and her family a long time.
  • 94:50 - 94:52
    He'd gone to visit her since they died.
  • 94:53 - 94:56
    But there had never been anything
    of the kind charged between them.
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    Now, Doctor, would you please tell
    the tribunal what happened then?
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    He was indicted before the special court
    at Nuremberg.
  • 95:08 - 95:11
    And where was this special court?
  • 95:11 - 95:13
    It was right here, this building.
  • 95:14 - 95:16
    This very courtroom.
  • 95:16 - 95:17
    Dr. Geuter,
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    what were the circumstances
    surrounding the trial?
  • 95:24 - 95:28
    It was used as a show place
    for national socialism.
  • 95:30 - 95:34
    It was the time
    of the September celebrations,
  • 95:34 - 95:36
    the Nuremberg rallies.
  • 95:37 - 95:39
    The courtroom was crowded.
  • 95:39 - 95:42
    Back there, people were standing up.
  • 95:43 - 95:47
    Julius Stretcher was sitting
    in one of the front seats.
  • 95:48 - 95:51
    And high officials
    of the Nazi Party were all over.
  • 95:52 - 95:56
    LAWSON: Doctor, would you please tell us
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    what were your expectations
    for the trial in this climate?
  • 96:01 - 96:02
    I expected the worst
  • 96:03 - 96:08
    when I saw that Emil Hahn was
    the public prosecutor.
  • 96:09 - 96:11
    He was a fanatic.
  • 96:11 - 96:15
    His trials were always marked
    by extreme brutality.
  • 96:19 - 96:24
    But I had one hope for the outcome…
  • 96:27 - 96:32
    Because sitting on the judge's bench
    was Ernst Janning.
  • 96:33 - 96:37
    His reputation
    was known throughout Germany.
  • 96:37 - 96:42
    He was known to have
    dedicated his life to justice.
  • 96:43 - 96:45
    To the concept of justice.
  • 96:48 - 96:50
    LAWSON: Thank you. That's all.
  • 96:53 - 96:55
    Any questions?
  • 96:56 - 96:58
    Thank you. No questions.
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    HAYWOOD: The witness is excused.
  • 97:02 - 97:08
    The prosecution calls to the stand
    Irene Hoffman Wallner.
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    Will you raise your right hand?
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    I swear by God,
    the Almighty and Omniscient,
  • 97:37 - 97:40
    that I will speak the pure truth,
    and will withhold and add nothing.
  • 97:40 - 97:41
    I do.
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    Will you please, uh, state
    your name to the tribunal?
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    Irene Hoffman Wallner.
  • 97:55 - 97:57
    Mrs. Wallner,
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    did you know Lehman Feldenstein?
  • 98:01 - 98:03
    Yes.
  • 98:03 - 98:05
    When did you first meet him?
  • 98:06 - 98:09
    It was 1925 or 1926.
  • 98:10 - 98:12
    I am not sure exactly.
  • 98:13 - 98:14
    How old was he at this time?
  • 98:15 - 98:16
    He was in his 50s.
  • 98:17 - 98:20
    And how old was he
    at the time of his arrest?
  • 98:22 - 98:26
    -He was 65.
    -I see.
  • 98:27 - 98:30
    What was the nature of your relationship?
  • 98:32 - 98:33
    We were friends.
  • 98:35 - 98:38
    Did you continue to see him
    after your parents died?
  • 98:38 - 98:40
    -Yes.
    -Why?
  • 98:42 - 98:44
    We were friends. He…
  • 98:45 - 98:48
    He owned the building that I lived in.
  • 98:49 - 98:52
    His business took him there quite often.
  • 98:53 - 98:56
    Now what did you say to the police
  • 98:57 - 99:01
    when they, uh, questioned you
    about having intimate relations with him?
  • 99:03 - 99:06
    I told them it was a lie.
  • 99:06 - 99:09
    Could you tell me who
    the public prosecutor was?
  • 99:13 - 99:14
    Emil Hahn.
  • 99:16 - 99:18
    LAWSON: Did Emil Hahn question you?
  • 99:19 - 99:20
    Yes.
  • 99:21 - 99:23
    What did he say to you?
  • 99:25 - 99:28
    He took me into a separate room,
  • 99:30 - 99:31
    where we were alone.
  • 99:33 - 99:38
    He told me that it was no use
    to repeat my story
  • 99:39 - 99:42
    because no one would believe me.
  • 99:43 - 99:46
    There had been a race defilement
  • 99:47 - 99:52
    and the only pardon for this was
    to kill the violator.
  • 99:53 - 99:59
    He… He told me that if I protected
  • 99:59 - 100:01
    Mr. Feldenstein,
  • 100:02 - 100:06
    that I would be held
    under arrest for perjury.
  • 100:07 - 100:09
    LAWSON: What did you reply to him?
  • 100:09 - 100:14
    I… I told him what I had
    said again and again.
  • 100:14 - 100:18
    I told him that I could
    not say anything else.
  • 100:18 - 100:23
    I could not lie about someone
    who had been so kind to me.
  • 100:24 - 100:26
    Were you held under arrest?
  • 100:27 - 100:28
    Yes.
  • 100:30 - 100:32
    Now, Mrs. Wallner, tell us
  • 100:33 - 100:36
    what was the…the manner
  • 100:37 - 100:40
    in which Emil Hahn
    conducted the prosecution?
  • 100:41 - 100:46
    He… He made a mockery
  • 100:47 - 100:51
    of everything Mr. Feldenstein tried to say
    in his own defense.
  • 100:53 - 100:58
    He held him up to ridicule
    whenever possible.
  • 100:59 - 101:01
    What was the reaction of the audience?
  • 101:02 - 101:04
    They laughed.
  • 101:04 - 101:07
    Again and again.
  • 101:08 - 101:10
    How long did the trial last?
  • 101:13 - 101:14
    Mrs. Wallner…
  • 101:16 - 101:18
    How long did the trial last?
  • 101:21 - 101:22
    Two days.
  • 101:22 - 101:25
    Was the verdict passed
    at the end of the second day?
  • 101:26 - 101:27
    Yes.
  • 101:27 - 101:30
    -What was the verdict?
    -Guilty.
  • 101:31 - 101:33
    And what was the sentence?
  • 101:35 - 101:38
    Mr. Feldenstein was sentenced
  • 101:39 - 101:40
    to be executed.
  • 101:42 - 101:46
    I was sentenced to be imprisoned
    for two years, for perjury.
  • 101:49 - 101:52
    Who was the presiding judge?
  • 101:54 - 101:56
    Ernst Janning.
  • 101:57 - 102:00
    Were the sentences carried out?
  • 102:02 - 102:03
    Mmm.
  • 102:06 - 102:09
    Thank you very much,
    Mrs. Wallner. That's all.
  • 102:15 - 102:16
    Any questions?
  • 102:29 - 102:32
    Your Honor, I would like
    to request that the witness
  • 102:33 - 102:34
    be kept available.
  • 102:35 - 102:39
    We will present further evidence
    on the Feldenstein matter
  • 102:39 - 102:42
    when it comes time
    for the defense to present its case.
  • 102:45 - 102:48
    The witness will
    please hold herself so available.
  • 102:50 - 102:52
    You may go. You're excused now.
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    HAYWOOD: Colonel Lawson?
  • 103:21 - 103:23
    LAWSON: Your Honors,
  • 103:23 - 103:26
    I offer in evidence a decree
    signed by Adolf Hitler
  • 103:27 - 103:31
    directing that all persons accused
    or suspected of disloyalty
  • 103:31 - 103:35
    or resistance of any sort,
    might be arrested secretly
  • 103:35 - 103:40
    with no notice to friends or relatives,
    without any trial whatsoever,
  • 103:40 - 103:42
    and put into concentration camps.
  • 103:43 - 103:47
    I also offer a group of orders
    issued under that decree,
  • 103:48 - 103:51
    each one signed by one of the defendants,
  • 103:52 - 103:56
    by which hundreds of persons were arrested
    and placed in concentration camps.
  • 103:57 - 103:59
    Signed by Fried rich Hoffstetter,
  • 104:00 - 104:02
    Werner Lammpe,
  • 104:03 - 104:05
    Emil Hahn,
  • 104:06 - 104:08
    Ernst Janning.
  • 104:11 - 104:12
    Your Honors,
  • 104:13 - 104:16
    the defendants on trial here today
  • 104:16 - 104:20
    did not personally administer
    the concentration camps.
  • 104:21 - 104:23
    They never had to beat victims
  • 104:24 - 104:27
    or pull the lever
    that released gas into the chambers.
  • 104:29 - 104:33
    But as the documents we've introduced
    into this case have shown,
  • 104:34 - 104:37
    these defendants fashioned
    and executed laws,
  • 104:38 - 104:40
    and rendered judgments…
  • 104:42 - 104:46
    Which sent millions of victims to their…
  • 104:46 - 104:47
    Destinations.
  • 104:47 - 104:49
    Major Radnitz?
  • 104:51 - 104:56
    Your Honors, I would like to request that
    Colonel Lawson be sworn in as a witness.
  • 104:56 - 104:58
    -Granted.
    -Thank you.
  • 105:04 - 105:05
    Will you raise your right hand?
  • 105:06 - 105:07
    I swear by God,
    the Almighty and Omniscient,
  • 105:08 - 105:10
    that I will speak the pure truth
    and withhold and add nothing.
  • 105:10 - 105:12
    I do.
  • 105:15 - 105:19
    Were you active in the United States Army
    in 1945 at the close of the war?
  • 105:19 - 105:21
    Yes, I was.
  • 105:21 - 105:25
    Were you in command
    of troops liberating concentration camps?
  • 105:25 - 105:26
    I was.
  • 105:27 - 105:30
    -Were you in Dachau and Belsen?
    -Yes.
  • 105:31 - 105:34
    Were you present when the films
    we are about to see were taken?
  • 105:34 - 105:36
    Yes, I was.
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    Okay.
  • 106:05 - 106:07
    [PROJECTOR WHIRRING]
  • 106:13 - 106:18
    The map shows the number of
    and location of concentration camps
  • 106:19 - 106:21
    under the Third Reich.
  • 106:23 - 106:28
    The Buchenwald concentration camp
    was founded in 1933.
  • 106:30 - 106:33
    Its inmates numbered about 80,000.
  • 106:36 - 106:38
    There was a motto at Buchenwald:
  • 106:39 - 106:40
    "Break the body…
  • 106:43 - 106:45
    "Break the spirit…
  • 106:48 - 106:49
    "Break the heart."
  • 106:52 - 106:54
    The ovens at Buchenwald.
  • 106:55 - 106:59
    Evidence of last-minute efforts
    to dispose of bodies.
  • 107:01 - 107:05
    The stoves were manufactured
    by a well-known company
  • 107:06 - 107:09
    which also specialized in baking ovens.
  • 107:11 - 107:13
    The name of the firm is clearly inscribed.
  • 107:14 - 107:17
    An exhibit of byproducts of Buchenwald
  • 107:19 - 107:22
    displayed for the local townspeople
    by an allied officer.
  • 107:24 - 107:26
    Brushes of every description.
  • 107:27 - 107:30
    Shoes, adults and children.
  • 107:31 - 107:33
    Spectacles.
  • 107:34 - 107:36
    Gold from teeth melted down,
  • 107:36 - 107:39
    sent once a month
    to the medical department
  • 107:39 - 107:41
    of the Waffen-S.S.
  • 107:41 - 107:45
    A lampshade made from human skin.
  • 107:47 - 107:49
    Skin being used for paintings,
  • 107:51 - 107:53
    many having an obscene nature.
  • 107:56 - 107:58
    The heads of two Polish laborers
  • 108:00 - 108:02
    shrunken to one-fifth their normal size.
  • 108:04 - 108:07
    A human pelvis used as an ashtray.
  • 108:11 - 108:17
    Children who'd been tattooed to mark them
    for eventual extermination.
  • 108:20 - 108:23
    Sometimes mercy was shown
    to the children.
  • 108:24 - 108:29
    They were injected with morphia
    so they'd be unconscious when hanged.
  • 108:31 - 108:32
    One of the doctors described
  • 108:32 - 108:35
    how they'd then place ropes
    around their necks,
  • 108:35 - 108:38
    and in the doctor's own words:
  • 108:38 - 108:44
    "Like pictures, they were then hanged
    by hooks on the walls."
  • 108:48 - 108:51
    The bodies of those
    who had come in boxcars
  • 108:52 - 108:54
    without food and without air,
  • 108:55 - 108:57
    who hadn't survived
    the journey to Dachau.
  • 108:59 - 109:02
    Hundreds of inmates were used
    as human guinea pigs
  • 109:03 - 109:06
    for atrocious medical experiments.
  • 109:08 - 109:13
    A witness at one of the executions
    at Dachau gave the following description:
  • 109:15 - 109:18
    "Inmates were made to leave
    their clothing on a rack.
  • 109:18 - 109:21
    "They were told
    they were going to take baths.
  • 109:22 - 109:25
    "Then the doors were locked.
  • 109:26 - 109:28
    "Tins of Zyklon B
  • 109:28 - 109:31
    "were released through
    the specially constructed apertures.
  • 109:33 - 109:37
    "You could hear the groaning
    and the whimpering inside.
  • 109:38 - 109:40
    "After two or three minutes,
  • 109:41 - 109:43
    "all was quiet."
  • 109:51 - 109:56
    Death transports that had arrived
    included 90,000 from Slovakia…
  • 109:59 - 110:01
    65,000 from Greece,
  • 110:03 - 110:04
    11,000 from France…
  • 110:07 - 110:09
    90,000 from Holland…
  • 110:12 - 110:14
    400,000 from Hungary…
  • 110:18 - 110:21
    250,000 from Poland and upper Silesia…
  • 110:23 - 110:26
    And 100,000 from Germany.
  • 110:30 - 110:32
    And this is what was filmed
  • 110:32 - 110:35
    when British troops liberated
    Belsen concentration camp.
  • 110:40 - 110:42
    For sanitary reasons,
  • 110:42 - 110:47
    a British bulldozer had to bury the bodies
    as quickly as possible.
  • 110:54 - 110:55
    Who were the bodies?
  • 110:57 - 111:01
    Members of every occupied country
    of Europe.
  • 111:02 - 111:05
    Two-thirds of the Jews of Europe…
  • 111:07 - 111:08
    Exterminated.
  • 111:10 - 111:12
    More than six million
  • 111:13 - 111:17
    according to reports
    from the Nazis' own figures.
  • 111:21 - 111:23
    But the real figure…
  • 111:28 - 111:30
    No one knows.
  • 111:37 - 111:41
    How dare they show us those films?
    How dare they?
  • 111:42 - 111:44
    We are not executioners. We are judges.
  • 111:46 - 111:48
    You do not think it was like that, do you?
  • 111:51 - 111:56
    There were executions, yes.
    But nothing like that. Nothing at all.
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    Pohl!
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    Pohl!
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    You ran those concentration camps.
  • 112:11 - 112:13
    You and Eichmann.
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    They say we killed millions of people.
  • 112:17 - 112:19
    Millions of people.
  • 112:19 - 112:21
    How could it be possible?
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    Tell them. How could it be possible?
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    It's possible.
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    How?
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    You mean, technically?
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    It all depends on your facilities.
  • 112:41 - 112:45
    Say you have two chambers
    that accommodate 2,000 people apiece.
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    Figure it out.
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    It's possible to get rid
    of 10,000 in a half-hour.
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    You don't even need guards to do it.
  • 112:56 - 112:58
    You can tell them
    they are going to take a shower,
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    and then instead of the water,
    you turn on the gas.
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    It's not the killing that is the problem.
  • 113:06 - 113:08
    It's disposing of the bodies.
  • 113:09 - 113:11
    That's the problem.
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    [SINGING IN GERMAN]
  • 114:02 - 114:04
    -I'm sorry I'm late.
    -That's all right.
  • 114:04 - 114:07
    I was doing some work
    for the rebuilding committee.
  • 114:09 - 114:11
    And I brought you some folders,
  • 114:11 - 114:14
    so we can decide
    what you should see next.
  • 114:14 - 114:17
    There's the Albrecht Dürer House,
    and the museum.
  • 114:17 - 114:19
    When do you think you could make it?
  • 114:19 - 114:21
    Oh, any time.
  • 114:21 - 114:23
    Would you like to order now?
  • 114:23 - 114:26
    What would you like?
    Can I help you with the menu?
  • 114:26 - 114:28
    No. I don't think
    I'll have anything. Thank you.
  • 114:29 - 114:31
    A glass of Moselle for me, please.
  • 114:31 - 114:32
    The same.
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    What's the matter?
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    Nothing. I'm just not hungry, that's all.
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    You know, it's, uh…
  • 114:52 - 114:55
    The last few days
    have meant a great deal to me.
  • 114:55 - 114:56
    How?
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    Well, I don't think you realize
    what a provincial man I really am.
  • 115:02 - 115:07
    Uh, I've been abroad
    just exactly once before this,
  • 115:07 - 115:10
    and that was when
    I was a dough boy in World War I.
  • 115:10 - 115:14
    I used to pass places like this
    and wonder what they were like.
  • 115:14 - 115:17
    -They've meant a great deal to me, too.
    -How?
  • 115:18 - 115:21
    They gave me back the feeling
    I had of the Americans.
  • 115:21 - 115:24
    The feeling I used to have
    when I was in your country.
  • 115:24 - 115:26
    [PEOPLE CLAPPING]
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    -Too bad this isn't a magazine story.
    -Why?
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    Well, if it were a magazine story,
    two people like us,
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    the rapidly aging jurist… Oh, no, no.
  • 115:38 - 115:41
    The rapidly aging jurist
    and the beautiful widow
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    would transcend their difficulties
    and travel places
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    either by land or by sea.
  • 115:48 - 115:50
    [PIANO PLAYING]
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    I saw Mr. Perkins today.
  • 116:05 - 116:09
    He told me they'd showed those pictures
    in the courtroom.
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    Colonel Lawson's favorite pictures.
  • 116:13 - 116:16
    He drags them out
    at any pretext, doesn't he?
  • 116:16 - 116:19
    Colonel Lawson's private
    chamber of horrors.
  • 116:22 - 116:24
    Is that what you think we are?
  • 116:25 - 116:27
    Do you think we knew of those things?
  • 116:28 - 116:30
    Do you think we wanted
    to murder women and children?
  • 116:33 - 116:36
    Do you believe that? Do you?
  • 116:38 - 116:41
    Mrs. Bertholt,
    I don't know what to believe.
  • 116:42 - 116:45
    Good God. We're sitting here drinking.
  • 116:46 - 116:48
    How could you think that we knew?
  • 116:49 - 116:50
    We did not know.
  • 116:51 - 116:53
    We did not know.
  • 116:54 - 116:55
    [MAN SINGING IN GERMAN]
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    As far as I can make out,
    no one in this country knew.
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    Mrs. Bertholt, your husband was one
    of the heads of the Army.
  • 117:06 - 117:09
    And he did not know.
    I tell you, he did not know.
  • 117:09 - 117:11
    It was Himmler. It was Goebbels.
  • 117:11 - 117:14
    The S.S. knew what happened.
    We did not know.
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    Listen to me.
  • 117:16 - 117:19
    There are things
    that happened on both sides.
  • 117:20 - 117:22
    My husband was a
    military man all his life.
  • 117:23 - 117:27
    He was entitled to a soldier's death.
    He asked for that.
  • 117:27 - 117:31
    I tried to get that for him, just that,
    that he would die with some honor.
  • 117:31 - 117:35
    I went from official to official.
    I begged for that.
  • 117:36 - 117:40
    That he should be permitted
    the dignity of a firing squad.
  • 117:41 - 117:43
    You know what happened?
  • 117:45 - 117:46
    He was hanged with the others
  • 117:47 - 117:50
    and after that, I knew
    what it was to hate.
  • 117:51 - 117:53
    I never left the house,
    I never left the room.
  • 117:53 - 117:55
    I drank.
  • 117:55 - 117:57
    I hated with every fiber of my being.
  • 117:57 - 118:00
    I hated every American I had ever known.
  • 118:00 - 118:01
    [PEOPLE SINGING IN GERMAN]
  • 118:02 - 118:05
    But one can't live with hate, I know that.
  • 118:11 - 118:15
    And we have to forget,
    if we are to go on living.
  • 118:46 - 118:48
    [INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS]
  • 118:56 - 118:57
    [MUTTERS]
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    [CLEARING THROAT]
  • 119:04 - 119:06
    Herr Rolfe?
  • 119:27 - 119:29
    May it please the tribunal?
  • 119:34 - 119:37
    Yesterday the tribunal
    witnessed some films.
  • 119:40 - 119:41
    They were…
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    Shocking films,
  • 119:45 - 119:47
    devastating films.
  • 119:49 - 119:51
    As a German…
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    I feel ashamed that such things
    could have taken place in my country.
  • 120:01 - 120:04
    There can never be
    a justification for them.
  • 120:06 - 120:07
    Not in generations,
  • 120:09 - 120:11
    not in centuries.
  • 120:14 - 120:16
    But…
  • 120:19 - 120:22
    I do think it was wrong…
  • 120:24 - 120:25
    Indecent,
  • 120:27 - 120:31
    and terribly unfair of the prosecution
  • 120:32 - 120:35
    to show such films in this case,
  • 120:35 - 120:37
    in this court,
  • 120:37 - 120:41
    at this time, against these defendants!
  • 120:42 - 120:44
    And I cannot protest too strongly
  • 120:46 - 120:47
    against such tactics.
  • 120:55 - 120:58
    What is the prosecution trying to prove?
  • 120:59 - 121:01
    Is it trying to prove that
    the German people as a whole
  • 121:01 - 121:04
    were responsible for these events?
  • 121:04 - 121:07
    Or that they were even aware of them?
  • 121:07 - 121:09
    Because if he is…
  • 121:11 - 121:13
    He's not stating facts,
  • 121:15 - 121:17
    and he knows he's not.
  • 121:20 - 121:22
    The secrecy of the operations,
  • 121:23 - 121:26
    the geographical location of the camps,
  • 121:26 - 121:29
    the breakdown of communications
    in the last days of the war
  • 121:29 - 121:32
    when the exterminations rose
    into the millions
  • 121:32 - 121:36
    show only too clearly
    that he is not telling the truth!
  • 121:37 - 121:38
    The truth is
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    that these brutalities
    were brought about by the few extremists.
  • 121:44 - 121:45
    The criminals.
  • 121:48 - 121:50
    Very few German knew what was going on.
  • 121:51 - 121:52
    Very few.
  • 121:54 - 121:57
    None of us knew what was happening
  • 121:58 - 122:01
    in the places shown in these films.
  • 122:01 - 122:03
    None of us.
  • 122:09 - 122:13
    But the most ironic part of it is…
  • 122:14 - 122:18
    That the prosecution showed
    these films against these defendants,
  • 122:19 - 122:24
    men who stayed in power
    for one reason only,
  • 122:24 - 122:27
    to prevent worse things from happening.
  • 122:29 - 122:31
    Who is the braver man?
  • 122:31 - 122:35
    The man who escapes,
    or resigns in times of peril,
  • 122:36 - 122:39
    or the man who stays on his post
  • 122:39 - 122:42
    at the risk of his own personal safety?
  • 122:43 - 122:48
    The defense will present
    witnesses and letters and documents
  • 122:48 - 122:50
    from religious and political refugees
    all over the world
  • 122:50 - 122:54
    telling how Ernst Janning
    saved them from execution.
  • 122:54 - 122:56
    The defense will show that many times
  • 122:56 - 122:59
    Ernst Janning was able
    to effect mitigation of sentences
  • 123:00 - 123:04
    when, without his influence,
    the results would have been much worse.
  • 123:05 - 123:06
    The defense will show
  • 123:07 - 123:12
    that Ernst Janning's personal physician
    was a non-Aryan,
  • 123:13 - 123:14
    a Jewish man,
  • 123:16 - 123:19
    who he kept in attendance,
    much to his own peril.
  • 123:22 - 123:24
    The defense presents affidavits
  • 123:25 - 123:29
    from legal authorities
    and famed jurists the world over
  • 123:29 - 123:34
    pleading that special considerations
    must be made in this case,
  • 123:34 - 123:37
    saying that the entire work
    of Ernst Janning
  • 123:37 - 123:40
    was inspired by one motive,
    and one motive only:
  • 123:40 - 123:44
    The endeavor to preserve justice
    and the concept of justice.
  • 123:47 - 123:48
    [SIGHS]
  • 123:49 - 123:51
    Now,
  • 123:52 - 123:55
    what has the prosecution to offer
  • 123:57 - 123:58
    against this?
  • 123:59 - 124:01
    The prosecution, in fact,
  • 124:02 - 124:04
    has presented in the
    case of Ernst Janning,
  • 124:05 - 124:07
    only one tangible piece of evidence.
  • 124:07 - 124:08
    The Feldenstein case.
  • 124:08 - 124:10
    A notorious case,
    as the defense has said.
  • 124:10 - 124:13
    A case which never
    should have been reopened.
  • 124:13 - 124:16
    A case which the defense is obliged
  • 124:17 - 124:19
    to review now.
  • 124:20 - 124:23
    The defense calls Mrs. Elsa Lindnow.
  • 124:41 - 124:43
    Will you raise your right hand?
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    I swear by God,
    the Almighty and Omniscient,
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    that I will speak the pure truth
    and will withhold and add nothing.
  • 124:49 - 124:50
    I do.
  • 124:54 - 124:56
    ROLFE: Mrs. Lindnow…
  • 124:59 - 125:01
    What is your occupation?
  • 125:01 - 125:03
    I am a cleaning woman.
  • 125:04 - 125:06
    Where are you employed?
  • 125:07 - 125:11
    400… 345, Grosse Platz.
  • 125:12 - 125:15
    -Did you know Lehman Feldenstein?
    -Yes. I knew him.
  • 125:15 - 125:17
    In what capacity?
  • 125:18 - 125:21
    He was my employer in 1935.
  • 125:21 - 125:24
    Do you know the witness,
    Mrs. Irene Hoffman Wallner?
  • 125:24 - 125:25
    Yes.
  • 125:25 - 125:27
    In what capacity?
  • 125:28 - 125:30
    She was a tenant in the building.
  • 125:30 - 125:33
    Did you ever see Miss Hoffman
    and Mr. Feldenstein together?
  • 125:35 - 125:36
    Yes.
  • 125:36 - 125:38
    How did this happen?
  • 125:38 - 125:43
    Mr. Feldenstein came to see Miss Hoffman
    at her apartment.
  • 125:44 - 125:45
    Often?
  • 125:46 - 125:47
    Quite often.
  • 125:48 - 125:51
    Were there any occasions
    in which you noticed anything unusual?
  • 125:51 - 125:53
    Yes.
  • 125:54 - 125:59
    I saw Miss Hoffman kissing Mr. Feldenstein
    at the door of her apartment.
  • 126:00 - 126:03
    Was there any other occasion?
  • 126:03 - 126:05
    Yes, there was one.
  • 126:05 - 126:07
    What was it?
  • 126:07 - 126:09
    I came to Miss Hoffman's apartment.
  • 126:09 - 126:11
    Uh, I wanted to clean up.
  • 126:12 - 126:14
    I thought it was empty.
  • 126:16 - 126:21
    Uh, I saw Miss Hoffman
    sitting on Mr. Feldenstein's lap.
  • 126:22 - 126:25
    Thank you, Mrs. Lindnow. That's all.
  • 126:27 - 126:28
    Colonel Lawson?
  • 126:34 - 126:36
    Earphones, please.
  • 126:40 - 126:44
    Mrs. Lindnow,
    what are your political affiliations?
  • 126:47 - 126:50
    -Political?
    -Objection, Your Honor.
  • 126:52 - 126:56
    This witness' political affiliations
    have nothing to do with the testimony.
  • 126:56 - 127:00
    Colonel Lawson is once more trying
    to appeal to the emotion of the court.
  • 127:01 - 127:03
    Objection overruled.
  • 127:03 - 127:06
    Now would you answer
    the question, please?
  • 127:06 - 127:09
    Were you a member
    of the National Socialist Party?
  • 127:10 - 127:13
    Yes, I was.
  • 127:14 - 127:16
    We were forced to be.
  • 127:17 - 127:18
    "We were forced to be."
  • 127:20 - 127:23
    Now when did you become
    a member of the Nazi Party?
  • 127:25 - 127:28
    1933.
  • 127:29 - 127:30
    Were all German nationals forced
  • 127:30 - 127:34
    to become members
    of the Nazi Party in 1933?
  • 127:36 - 127:38
    LAWSON: Please answer me, Mrs. Lindnow.
  • 127:39 - 127:42
    Were you forced
    to become a member of the Nazi Party?
  • 127:47 - 127:48
    That's all.
  • 127:50 - 127:51
    Witness is excused.
  • 128:08 - 128:10
    HAYWOOD: Defense may continue.
  • 128:18 - 128:22
    The defense calls
    Irene Hoffman Wallner to the stand.
  • 128:38 - 128:40
    HAYWOOD: Mrs. Wallner…
  • 128:42 - 128:44
    You are still under oath.
  • 128:46 - 128:49
    Mrs. Wallner,
    did you come here voluntarily?
  • 128:50 - 128:53
    Did you report voluntarily
    to speak as a witness?
  • 128:53 - 128:54
    Yes.
  • 128:57 - 129:00
    Is it not true that the prosecution
    asked you to come here?
  • 129:01 - 129:04
    That it was very disagreeable
    for you to come here?
  • 129:05 - 129:09
    It is always very disagreeable
    to live over those times.
  • 129:10 - 129:12
    That would be in agreement
  • 129:12 - 129:15
    with the information I have
    that you did not want to come.
  • 129:15 - 129:17
    Thank you, Mrs. Wallner.
  • 129:17 - 129:19
    Mrs. Wallner…
  • 129:22 - 129:26
    The Nuremberg laws were
    stated September 15, 1935.
  • 129:27 - 129:30
    -Where were you at that time?
    -In Nuremberg.
  • 129:30 - 129:32
    Did you know these laws?
  • 129:32 - 129:35
    Were you aware that
    a physical relationship with Jews
  • 129:35 - 129:37
    was against the law?
  • 129:37 - 129:38
    Yes.
  • 129:39 - 129:43
    Were you aware that in Nuremberg,
    and in Nuremberg in particular,
  • 129:44 - 129:47
    not only a physical relationship with Jews
    was viewed with disdain,
  • 129:47 - 129:48
    but every social contact?
  • 129:49 - 129:50
    Yes.
  • 129:50 - 129:54
    Were you aware that it might have
    some danger for you personally?
  • 129:55 - 129:56
    Yes, I was aware of it.
  • 129:57 - 130:01
    But how can you discard a friendship
    from day to day because of some…
  • 130:01 - 130:04
    That is another question, Mrs. Wallner.
  • 130:05 - 130:07
    I did not ask you that question.
  • 130:07 - 130:10
    -Were you aware of it?
    -Yes, I was aware.
  • 130:11 - 130:14
    Yet you still continued
    to see each other?
  • 130:14 - 130:15
    Yes.
  • 130:17 - 130:18
    Remember, it was brought out
    at the tribunal
  • 130:19 - 130:20
    that Mr. Feldenstein bought you things.
  • 130:20 - 130:23
    -Candy and cigarettes?
    -Yes.
  • 130:23 - 130:26
    Remember that sometimes
    he bought you flowers?
  • 130:27 - 130:29
    Yes, he bought me many things.
  • 130:30 - 130:32
    That was because he was kind.
  • 130:33 - 130:36
    He was the kindest man I ever knew.
  • 130:39 - 130:41
    Do you know the witness,
    Mrs. Elsa Lindnow?
  • 130:42 - 130:43
    Yes, I know her.
  • 130:44 - 130:46
    Was she a cleaning woman
    at the apartment you lived in?
  • 130:46 - 130:47
    Yes.
  • 130:47 - 130:49
    Did Mr. Feldenstein come
    to see you at your apartment?
  • 130:49 - 130:50
    Yes.
  • 130:51 - 130:52
    How many times?
  • 130:54 - 130:57
    I don't, uh, remember.
  • 130:57 - 131:00
    -Several times?
    -Yes.
  • 131:00 - 131:03
    -Many times?
    -Many times.
  • 131:03 - 131:05
    -Did you kiss him?
    -Yes, I kissed him.
  • 131:06 - 131:07
    Was there more than one kiss?
  • 131:09 - 131:10
    Yes.
  • 131:11 - 131:15
    But it was not in the way
    you are trying to make it sound.
  • 131:16 - 131:19
    He was like a father to me.
  • 131:20 - 131:21
    He was more than a father.
  • 131:22 - 131:23
    More than a father?
  • 131:24 - 131:26
    -Did you sit on his lap?
    -Objection!
  • 131:26 - 131:30
    Counsel is persecuting the witness
    in the pretext of gaining testimony.
  • 131:31 - 131:33
    Objection overruled.
  • 131:33 - 131:35
    The defense is being permitted to reenact
  • 131:35 - 131:38
    what was a travesty of justice
    in the first place.
  • 131:38 - 131:43
    Colonel Lawson, the tribunal makes the
    rulings in this case, not the prosecution.
  • 131:43 - 131:45
    You may proceed.
  • 131:45 - 131:48
    -Did you sit on his lap?
    -Yes.
  • 131:48 - 131:53
    But there was nothing wrong
    or ugly about it.
  • 131:53 - 131:56
    Did you sit on his lap?
  • 131:56 - 131:58
    Yes, but…
  • 131:58 - 132:00
    You sat on his lap. What else did you do?
  • 132:02 - 132:05
    There was nothing
    that you are trying to say.
  • 132:05 - 132:06
    There was nothing like that.
  • 132:06 - 132:08
    What else did you do, Mrs. Wallner?
  • 132:10 - 132:13
    What are you trying to do?
  • 132:14 - 132:16
    Are you trying to…
  • 132:17 - 132:18
    [SOBBING]
  • 132:18 - 132:23
    [STAMMERING] Why do you not
    let me speak the truth?
  • 132:23 - 132:25
    That's what we want, Mrs. Wallner.
  • 132:25 - 132:27
    The truth, the truth.
  • 132:27 - 132:29
    You admitted
    that you continued to see him.
  • 132:29 - 132:32
    You admitted that
    he came to your apartment.
  • 132:32 - 132:33
    You admitted you kissed him.
  • 132:33 - 132:35
    You admitted you sat on his lap.
  • 132:35 - 132:38
    What else do you admit to? What else?
  • 132:38 - 132:39
    Nothing.
  • 132:41 - 132:43
    There was nothing like
    you're trying to make it sound.
  • 132:43 - 132:45
    What else?
  • 132:45 - 132:47
    There was nothing. Nothing.
  • 132:48 - 132:49
    Stop it.
  • 132:50 - 132:51
    -[BANGING TABLE]
    -Stop it!
  • 132:52 - 132:54
    What else do you admit to.
    Mrs. Wallner? What else?
  • 132:54 - 132:55
    Herr Rolfe!
  • 133:00 - 133:02
    Are we going to do this again?
  • 133:04 - 133:05
    [AUDIENCE MURMURING]
  • 133:08 - 133:09
    Your Honor,
  • 133:11 - 133:14
    the stress the defendant has been under is
    so great that he is not aware…
  • 133:14 - 133:16
    I am aware.
  • 133:16 - 133:18
    I am aware.
  • 133:18 - 133:20
    Your Honor, the defendant wishes
    to make a statement.
  • 133:20 - 133:22
    Your Honor, I believe
    the defense has a right to request
  • 133:22 - 133:25
    -[GAVEL POUNDING]
    -Order. Order. Order!
  • 133:30 - 133:32
    Does the defendant wish
    to make a statement?
  • 133:33 - 133:36
    I wish to make a statement, yes.
  • 133:37 - 133:40
    Your Honor, I believe the defense
    has the right to request a recess…
  • 133:40 - 133:43
    Your Honor, the defendant has
    the right to make his statement now.
  • 133:43 - 133:44
    I have to speak with my client.
  • 133:44 - 133:47
    LAWSON: He has the right to make it now!
  • 133:50 - 133:51
    [CRYING]
  • 133:58 - 134:01
    Tribunal is adjourned
    until 10:30 tomorrow morning.
  • 134:02 - 134:04
    [PEOPLE SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY]
  • 134:06 - 134:08
    ROLFE: What are you doing?
  • 134:09 - 134:11
    What do you think you're trying to do?
  • 134:12 - 134:15
    They've had Goering. Frank. Stretcher.
  • 134:15 - 134:17
    That's over.
  • 134:18 - 134:22
    Do you think I have enjoyed
    being defense counsel during this trial?
  • 134:22 - 134:26
    There were things I had to do
    in that courtroom that made me cringe.
  • 134:27 - 134:29
    Why did I do them?
  • 134:29 - 134:32
    Because I want to leave
    the German people something.
  • 134:32 - 134:34
    I want to leave them a shred of dignity.
  • 134:34 - 134:37
    I want to call a halt
    to these proceedings.
  • 134:37 - 134:40
    If we allow them
    to discredit every German like you,
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    we lose the right to
    rule ourselves forever.
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    We have to look at the future.
    We can't look back now.
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    Do you want the Americans
    to stay here forever? Do you want that?
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    I could show you a picture
    of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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    Thousands and thousands of burned bodies.
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    Women and children.
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    Is that their superior morality?
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    Where do you think they take us?
    Do you think they know?
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    Do you think
    they have any concept of our problems?
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    What can I say to you?
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    What can I say to you to make you see?
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    There is nothing you can say.
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    Nothing.
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    MALE ANNOUNCER: Nothing has
    happened to alleviate the crisis.
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    The crisis reached a head this afternoon
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    when all rail travel between western
    zones and Berlin was stopped.
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    The blockade by land is now complete.
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    What do you think
    we're going to do, General?
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    -Do you think we'll withdraw?
    -We can't withdraw.
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    If we withdraw under pressure,
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    our prestige all over the world
    is threatened.
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    The communists will move in
    on every front.
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    ENGLISH JOURNALIST:
    What about these trials, General?
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    How do you feel about them now?
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    We're committed to the trials.
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    But I think it would be realistic
    to accelerate them as much as possible.
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    FEMALE JOURNALIST: What would happen if
    they fired on one of our planes, General?
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    I'm afraid we'll have to face that
    when it happens.
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    There is no other answer
    to that question at this time.
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    You fellows should
    try some of the strudel.
  • 136:31 - 136:32
    It's excellent here.
  • 136:32 - 136:33
    No, thanks.
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    Dan, I've just come back
    from Berlin, as you know.
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    I don't think this is going to be it.
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    A lot of people do, but I don't.
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    But it is going to
    be a fight for survival
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    for the next 10 years, maybe the next 20.
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    Germany is the key to that survival.
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    Any high-school student
    in geography can tell you that.
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    Just what are you trying to say, Senator?
  • 136:59 - 137:02
    What I'm trying to say is this:
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    While nobody's trying
    to influence your decision,
  • 137:05 - 137:09
    it's important that you realize this,
    because it's a fact of life.
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    Let's face it, gentlemen.
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    The handwriting is on the wall.
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    We're going to need
    all the help we can get.
  • 137:17 - 137:20
    We're going to need
    the support of the German people.
  • 137:21 - 137:23
    More strudel, gentlemen?
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    Herr Janning, you may proceed.
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    I wish to testify about
    the Feldenstein case
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    because it was
    the most significant trial of the period.
  • 137:46 - 137:50
    It is important not only for
    the tribunal to understand it,
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    but for the whole German people.
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    But in order to understand it,
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    one must understand the period
    in which it happened.
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    There was a fever over the land.
  • 138:06 - 138:10
    A fever of disgrace,
    of indignity, of hunger.
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    We had a democracy, yes.
  • 138:14 - 138:17
    But it was torn by elements within.
  • 138:18 - 138:21
    Above all, there was fear:
  • 138:22 - 138:25
    Fear of today, fear of tomorrow,
  • 138:26 - 138:31
    fear of our neighbors,
    and fear of ourselves.
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    Only when you understand that,
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    can you understand
    what Hitler meant to us.
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    Because he said to us:
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    "Lift your heads.
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    "Be proud to be German.
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    "There are devils among us:
  • 138:48 - 138:51
    "Communists, liberals, Jews, gypsies.
  • 138:51 - 138:56
    "Once these devils will be destroyed,
    your misery will be destroyed."
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    It was the old, old story
    of the sacrificial lamb.
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    What about those of us who knew better?
  • 139:10 - 139:13
    We who knew the words were lies,
    and worse than lies?
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    Why did we sit silent?
  • 139:16 - 139:17
    Why did we take part?
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    Because we loved our country.
  • 139:23 - 139:24
    What difference does it make
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    if a few political extremists
    lose their rights?
  • 139:28 - 139:33
    What difference does it make if a
    few racial minorities lose their rights?
  • 139:33 - 139:35
    It is only a passing phase.
  • 139:35 - 139:38
    It is only a stage we are going through.
  • 139:38 - 139:40
    It will be discarded sooner or later.
  • 139:40 - 139:44
    Hitler himself
    will be discarded sooner or later.
  • 139:45 - 139:46
    The country is in danger.
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    We will march out of the shadows.
    We will go forward.
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    Forward is the great password.
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    And history tells
    how well we succeeded, Your Honor.
  • 140:02 - 140:04
    We succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.
  • 140:05 - 140:09
    The very elements
    of hate and power about Hitler
  • 140:09 - 140:12
    that mesmerized Germany
    mesmerized the world.
  • 140:13 - 140:16
    We found ourselves
    with sudden, powerful allies.
  • 140:17 - 140:20
    Things that had been denied
    to us as a democracy
  • 140:20 - 140:22
    were open to us now.
  • 140:22 - 140:25
    The world said, "Go ahead, take it.
  • 140:26 - 140:27
    "Take it.
  • 140:27 - 140:31
    "Take Sudetenland,
    take the Rhineland, remilitarize it.
  • 140:31 - 140:33
    "Take all of Austria. Take it."
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    And then, one day, we looked around
  • 140:41 - 140:44
    and found that
    we were in an even more terrible danger.
  • 140:44 - 140:47
    The ritual began in this courtroom,
  • 140:47 - 140:50
    swept over the land
    like a raging, roaring disease.
  • 140:52 - 140:55
    What was going to be a passing phase
  • 140:57 - 140:59
    had become the way of life.
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    Your Honor…
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    I was content to sit
    silent during this trial.
  • 141:14 - 141:18
    I was content to tend my roses.
  • 141:20 - 141:22
    I was even content
  • 141:23 - 141:26
    to let counsel try to save my name.
  • 141:27 - 141:29
    Until I realized
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    that in order to save it,
    he would have to raise the specter again.
  • 141:39 - 141:41
    You have seen him do it.
  • 141:41 - 141:43
    He has done it here in this courtroom.
  • 141:44 - 141:49
    He has suggested that the Third Reich
    worked for the benefit of people.
  • 141:49 - 141:54
    He has suggested that we sterilized men
    for the welfare of the country.
  • 141:54 - 141:56
    He has suggested that perhaps
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    the old Jew did sleep
    with the 16-year-old girl, after all.
  • 142:02 - 142:05
    Once more, it is being done
  • 142:06 - 142:09
    for love of country.
  • 142:11 - 142:15
    It is not easy to tell the truth.
  • 142:17 - 142:20
    But if there is to be
    any salvation for Germany,
  • 142:21 - 142:25
    we who know our guilt must admit it,
  • 142:25 - 142:27
    whatever the pain
  • 142:29 - 142:30
    and humiliation.
  • 142:36 - 142:38
    I had reached my verdict
  • 142:39 - 142:41
    on the Feldenstein case
  • 142:42 - 142:44
    before I ever came into the courtroom.
  • 142:44 - 142:47
    I would have found him guilty,
    whatever the evidence.
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    It was not a trial at all.
    It was a sacrificial ritual
  • 142:51 - 142:54
    in which Feldenstein, the Jew,
    was the helpless victim.
  • 142:54 - 142:56
    Your Honor, I must interrupt.
  • 142:57 - 142:59
    The defendant is not aware
    of what he is saying.
  • 142:59 - 143:01
    He is not aware of the implications…
  • 143:01 - 143:04
    I am aware. I am aware.
  • 143:05 - 143:08
    My counsel would have you believe
  • 143:08 - 143:11
    we were not aware
    of the concentration camps.
  • 143:12 - 143:14
    Not aware.
  • 143:15 - 143:17
    Where were we?
  • 143:17 - 143:21
    Where were we when Hitler began
    shrieking his hate in the Reichstag?
  • 143:21 - 143:23
    Where were we when our neighbors
    were being dragged out
  • 143:23 - 143:25
    in the middle of the night to Dachau?
  • 143:25 - 143:29
    Where were we when every village
    in Germany has a railroad terminal
  • 143:29 - 143:31
    where cattle cars
    were filled with children
  • 143:31 - 143:34
    being carried off to their extermination?
  • 143:35 - 143:38
    Where were we
    when they cried out in the night to us?
  • 143:38 - 143:41
    Were we deaf? Dumb? Blind?
  • 143:41 - 143:43
    Your Honor, I must protest.
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    My counsel says we were not aware
    of the extermination of the millions.
  • 143:49 - 143:51
    He would give you the excuse
  • 143:51 - 143:56
    we were only aware
    of the extermination of the hundreds.
  • 143:57 - 144:00
    Does that make us any the less guilty?
  • 144:02 - 144:04
    Maybe we didn't know the details.
  • 144:04 - 144:09
    But if we didn't know,
    it was because we didn't want to know.
  • 144:09 - 144:11
    Traitor! Traitor!
  • 144:11 - 144:15
    Order. Order! Order!
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    [PEOPLE MURMURING]
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    Put that man back in his seat
    and keep him there.
  • 144:23 - 144:26
    I am going to tell them the truth.
  • 144:27 - 144:29
    I am going to tell them the truth,
  • 144:29 - 144:32
    if the whole world conspires against it.
  • 144:33 - 144:35
    I am going to tell them the truth
  • 144:35 - 144:38
    about their ministry of justice.
  • 144:40 - 144:44
    Werner Lammpe,
    an old man who cries into his Bible now.
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    An old man who profited
    by the property expropriation
  • 144:49 - 144:52
    of every man he sent
    to a concentration camp.
  • 144:52 - 144:54
    Fried rich Hoffstetter,
  • 144:55 - 144:58
    the good German
    who knew how to take orders,
  • 144:58 - 145:02
    who sent men before him
    to be sterilized like so many digits.
  • 145:05 - 145:07
    Emil Hahn,
  • 145:08 - 145:11
    the decayed, corrupt bigot,
  • 145:11 - 145:14
    obsessed by the evil within himself.
  • 145:19 - 145:21
    And Ernst Janning…
  • 145:23 - 145:25
    Worse than any of them
  • 145:27 - 145:29
    because he knew what they were,
  • 145:30 - 145:32
    and he went along with them.
  • 145:35 - 145:37
    Ernst Janning,
  • 145:38 - 145:40
    who made his life…
  • 145:42 - 145:43
    Excrement…
  • 145:45 - 145:48
    Because he walked with them.
  • 147:15 - 147:16
    Your Honor,
  • 147:18 - 147:19
    it is my duty
  • 147:21 - 147:23
    to defend Ernst Janning.
  • 147:24 - 147:27
    And yet, Ernst Janning
    has said he is guilty.
  • 147:28 - 147:32
    There is no doubt he feels his guilt.
  • 147:34 - 147:38
    He made a great error
    in going along with the Nazi Movement
  • 147:39 - 147:42
    hoping it would be good for his country.
  • 147:43 - 147:46
    But if he is to be found guilty,
  • 147:48 - 147:52
    there are others who also went along,
  • 147:53 - 147:55
    who also must be found guilty.
  • 147:57 - 147:59
    Ernst Janning said:
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    "We succeeded beyond our wildest dreams."
  • 148:05 - 148:08
    Why did we succeed, Your Honor?
  • 148:10 - 148:12
    What about the rest of the world?
  • 148:14 - 148:18
    Did it not know
    the intentions of the Third Reich?
  • 148:19 - 148:23
    Did it not hear the words
    of Hitler's broadcasts all over the world?
  • 148:23 - 148:26
    Did it not read his intentions
    in Mein Kampf,
  • 148:26 - 148:29
    published in every corner of the world?
  • 148:30 - 148:33
    Where is the responsibility
    of the Soviet Union
  • 148:33 - 148:37
    who signed in 1939 the pact with Hitler,
  • 148:37 - 148:39
    enabled him to make war?
  • 148:41 - 148:43
    Are we now to find Russia guilty?
  • 148:45 - 148:48
    Where is the responsibility of the Vatican
  • 148:48 - 148:51
    who signed in 1933
    the concordat with Hitler,
  • 148:52 - 148:55
    giving him his first tremendous prestige?
  • 148:56 - 148:59
    Are we now to find the Vatican guilty?
  • 149:01 - 149:04
    Where is the responsibility
    of the world leader Winston Churchill,
  • 149:04 - 149:08
    who said in an open letter
    to the London Times in 1938,
  • 149:08 - 149:12
    1938, Your Honor:
  • 149:13 - 149:16
    "Were England to suffer
    a national disaster, I should pray to God
  • 149:16 - 149:21
    "to send a man of the strength of mind
    and will of an Adolf Hitler."
  • 149:21 - 149:24
    Are we now to find
    Winston Churchill guilty?
  • 149:24 - 149:28
    Where is the responsibility
    of those American industrialists
  • 149:28 - 149:30
    who helped Hitler
    to rebuild his armaments,
  • 149:30 - 149:33
    and profited by that rebuilding?
  • 149:34 - 149:37
    Are we now to find
    the American industrialists guilty?
  • 149:37 - 149:39
    No, Your Honor. No.
  • 149:41 - 149:43
    Germany alone is not guilty.
  • 149:43 - 149:47
    The whole world
    is as responsible for Hitler as Germany.
  • 149:47 - 149:49
    It is an easy thing to condemn
    one man in the dock.
  • 149:50 - 149:51
    It's easy to condemn the German people,
  • 149:51 - 149:54
    to speak of the basic flaw
    in the German character
  • 149:54 - 149:57
    that allowed Hitler to rise to power,
    and at the same time,
  • 149:57 - 149:59
    comfortably ignore
    the basic flaw of character
  • 149:59 - 150:03
    that made the Russians sign pacts
    with him, Winston Churchill praise him,
  • 150:03 - 150:05
    American industrialists profit by him.
  • 150:10 - 150:13
    Ernst Janning said he is guilty.
  • 150:15 - 150:16
    If he is,
  • 150:17 - 150:21
    Ernst Janning's guilt
    is the world's guilt.
  • 150:23 - 150:26
    No more, no less.
  • 150:40 - 150:43
    Major, we have to give
    the Military Governor
  • 150:43 - 150:45
    every help that we can give him.
  • 150:45 - 150:49
    We have to get 700 tons in the air a day.
  • 150:49 - 150:50
    700 tons.
  • 150:56 - 150:58
    This is some operation.
  • 151:00 - 151:04
    Did you ever think we'd be flying coal
    and tomatoes in these crates?
  • 151:09 - 151:12
    Tad, you and I
    have been friends a long time.
  • 151:12 - 151:14
    That's why I called you here.
  • 151:18 - 151:20
    What are you going to do
    in court tomorrow?
  • 151:24 - 151:26
    You know damn well what I'm goin' to do.
  • 151:27 - 151:28
    I know what you want to do:
  • 151:28 - 151:32
    You'd like to recommend they put 'em
    behind bars and throw away the key.
  • 151:32 - 151:35
    You know what's going on here now?
  • 151:36 - 151:37
    Yeah.
  • 151:39 - 151:40
    I know what's going on.
  • 151:41 - 151:43
    Tad, you're an army man.
    You know what we're up against.
  • 151:43 - 151:45
    The others may not, but you do.
  • 151:45 - 151:47
    I'll tell you the truth.
  • 151:47 - 151:51
    I don't know what's going to happen
    if they fire on one of those planes.
  • 151:52 - 151:54
    I don't know what's going to happen.
  • 151:54 - 151:58
    But if I do know this:
    If Berlin goes, Germany goes.
  • 151:59 - 152:02
    If Germany goes, Europe goes.
  • 152:03 - 152:05
    That's the way things stand.
  • 152:07 - 152:08
    That's the way they stand.
  • 152:08 - 152:11
    Look, Matt, I'm goin' to go the limit.
  • 152:12 - 152:13
    And not you, not the Pentagon,
  • 152:13 - 152:15
    not God on his throne
    is going to make me…
  • 152:15 - 152:18
    Who do you think you're talking to?
  • 152:20 - 152:22
    Who the hell do you
    think you're talking to?
  • 152:23 - 152:25
    When you were marching into Dachau
    with those troops, I was there, too.
  • 152:25 - 152:28
    You think I'll ever forget it?
  • 152:29 - 152:31
    Look, I'm not your commanding officer.
  • 152:31 - 152:34
    I can't influence your decision,
    and I don't want to.
  • 152:34 - 152:38
    But I want to give this to you,
    and I want to give it to you straight.
  • 152:38 - 152:41
    We need the help of the German people.
  • 152:43 - 152:45
    And you don't get the help
    of the German people
  • 152:46 - 152:49
    by sentencing their leaders
    to stiff prison sentences.
  • 153:01 - 153:02
    Tad…
  • 153:03 - 153:05
    The thing to do is survive, isn't it?
  • 153:06 - 153:10
    Survive as best we can, but survive.
  • 153:20 - 153:22
    Just for laughs, Matt,
  • 153:23 - 153:25
    what was the war all about?
  • 153:27 - 153:29
    What was it about?
  • 153:36 - 153:39
    And that concludes
    presentation of documentary evidence
  • 153:40 - 153:42
    against these defendants.
  • 153:51 - 153:52
    Your Honors,
  • 153:54 - 153:58
    during the three years that have passed
    since the end of the war in Europe,
  • 153:59 - 154:03
    mankind has not crossed over into Jordan.
  • 154:04 - 154:08
    In our own country,
    fear of war has been revived.
  • 154:08 - 154:12
    And we must look once more
    to our defenses.
  • 154:13 - 154:17
    There's talk of cold war,
    while men and women die in real wars.
  • 154:19 - 154:21
    And the echoes of persecution
  • 154:22 - 154:24
    and atrocities
  • 154:25 - 154:27
    will not be stilled.
  • 154:29 - 154:33
    These events cannot help
    but color what happens in this courtroom.
  • 154:36 - 154:39
    But somewhere in the midst
    of these events,
  • 154:41 - 154:46
    the responsibility for the crimes
    that we brought forward during this trial
  • 154:47 - 154:51
    must be placed in true perspective.
  • 154:52 - 154:56
    And this is the decision
    that faces Your Honors.
  • 154:58 - 155:01
    It is the dilemma of our times.
  • 155:04 - 155:05
    It is a dilemma that…
  • 155:08 - 155:10
    That rests with you.
  • 155:16 - 155:18
    The prosecution rests.
  • 155:40 - 155:43
    The defendants may now
    make their final statements.
  • 155:48 - 155:51
    Defendant Emil Hahn
    may address the tribunal.
  • 155:57 - 155:59
    Your Honors,
  • 155:59 - 156:02
    I do not evade
    the responsibility for my actions.
  • 156:03 - 156:08
    On the contrary, I stand by them
    before the entire world.
  • 156:09 - 156:12
    But I will not follow
    the policy of others.
  • 156:14 - 156:16
    I will not say of our policy today
    that it was wrong
  • 156:16 - 156:18
    when yesterday I say it was right.
  • 156:20 - 156:22
    Germany was fighting for its life.
  • 156:23 - 156:26
    Certain measures were needed
    to protect it from its enemies.
  • 156:26 - 156:29
    I cannot say that I am sorry
    we applied those measures.
  • 156:29 - 156:32
    We were a bulwark against Bolshevism.
  • 156:33 - 156:35
    We were a pillar of Western culture.
  • 156:37 - 156:40
    A bulwark and a pillar
    the West may yet wish to retain.
  • 156:45 - 156:49
    The defendant Fried rich Hoffstetter
    may address the tribunal.
  • 156:57 - 157:00
    I have served my
    country throughout my life
  • 157:01 - 157:04
    and in whatever
    position I was assigned to,
  • 157:04 - 157:08
    in faithfulness, with a pure heart,
    and without malice.
  • 157:10 - 157:14
    I followed the concept that I believed
    to be the highest in my profession.
  • 157:15 - 157:17
    The concept that says:
  • 157:17 - 157:23
    "To sacrifice one's own sense of justice
    to the authoritative legal order.
  • 157:24 - 157:26
    "To ask only what the law is
  • 157:27 - 157:30
    "and not to ask whether or not
    it is also justice."
  • 157:31 - 157:34
    As a judge, I could do no other.
  • 157:35 - 157:38
    I believe Your Honors will find me,
  • 157:38 - 157:40
    and millions of Germans like me
  • 157:40 - 157:43
    who believed they were
    doing their duty to their country,
  • 157:43 - 157:46
    to be not guilty.
  • 157:49 - 157:51
    [CLEARING THROAT]
  • 157:51 - 157:55
    The defendant Werner Lammpe
    may address the tribunal.
  • 158:03 - 158:04
    Your Honors…
  • 158:16 - 158:17
    Your Honors…
  • 158:36 - 158:40
    The defendant Ernst Janning
    may address the tribunal.
  • 158:50 - 158:53
    I have nothing to add to what I have said.
  • 159:04 - 159:06
    The testimony
    has been received in the case.
  • 159:06 - 159:08
    Final arguments have been heard.
  • 159:08 - 159:13
    There remains nothing now but the task
    of the tribunal to render its decision.
  • 159:14 - 159:17
    The tribunal will recess
    until further notification.
  • 159:39 - 159:41
    Now, I've collected
    several precedents and arguments here
  • 159:42 - 159:44
    that have a bearing
    on the basis of the case,
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    which is, of course, the conflict between
    allegiance to international law
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    and to the laws of one's own country.
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    Dan, we have a mountain
    of material to go over here.
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    What are you looking at, Dan?
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    Hmm? Oh, I was…
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    I was, uh, looking at
    some of these pictures
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    attached to the warrants for arrest.
  • 160:04 - 160:05
    What pictures?
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    Well, there's Petersen,
    before they operated on him.
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    And here's Irene Hoffman.
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    She really was 16 once, wasn't she?
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    Feldenstein.
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    And here's the situation of a boy,
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    certainly couldn't have been more than 14.
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    Executed for saying things
    against the Third Reich.
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    "By order of justice
    Fried rich Hoffstetter."
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    If I may say so, more pertinent
    to the legal basis of the case,
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    I have the opening address
    of the French prosecutor
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    before the International
    Military Tribunal.
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    "It is obvious that
    in the state organized along modern lines
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    "responsibility is confined
    to those who act directly for the State.
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    "Since they alone are in a position to
    judge the legitimacy of the given orders,
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    "they alone can be prosecuted."
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    I have another
    from Professor Jahrreiss' legal aspects,
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    trial of the major war criminals.
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    On the basis of these, I don't see where
    the prosecution has put forth
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    a really clear-cut case
    against the defense
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    pertaining to the
    charges in the indictment.
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    Regardless of the acts committed,
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    we cannot make the interpretation
    that these defendants
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    are really responsible
    for crimes against humanity.
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    What do you think, Dan?
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    Dan, we've been going over
    these points all day.
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    If it isn't clear now…
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    Aren't you going to look
    at these precedents?
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    Aren't you interested at all?
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    Yes, I'm interested, Curtiss.
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    You were speaking of crimes
    against humanity
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    saying that the defendants
    were not responsible for their acts.
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    I'd like you to explain that to me.
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    I've just been explaining it.
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    Well, maybe.
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    But all I've heard is a lot of legalistic
    double-talk and rationalization.
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    You know, Curtiss,
    when I first became a judge,
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    I… I knew there were certain people
    in town I wasn't supposed to touch.
  • 162:09 - 162:13
    I knew that if I was to remain a judge,
    this was so.
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    But how in God's name
    do you expect me to look the other way
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    at the murder of six million people?
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    Oh, I'm sure he didn't mean that.
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    I'm not asking you
    to look the other way at them.
  • 162:23 - 162:27
    I'm asking you, what good is it
    going to do to pursue this policy?
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    Curtiss, you were saying that the men
    are not responsible for their acts.
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    You're going to have
    to explain that to me.
  • 162:36 - 162:39
    You're going to
    have to explain it very carefully.
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    The tribunal is now in session.
  • 162:49 - 162:53
    God bless the United States of America
    and this honorable tribunal.
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    The trial conducted before this
    tribunal began over eight months ago.
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    The record of evidence
    is more than 10,000 pages long
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    and final arguments of counsel
    have been concluded.
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    Simple murders and atrocities
    do not constitute
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    the gravamen of the charges
    in this indictment.
  • 163:36 - 163:40
    Rather, the charge is that
    of conscious participation…
  • 163:42 - 163:45
    In a nationwide,
    government-organized system
  • 163:45 - 163:47
    of cruelty and injustice
  • 163:48 - 163:52
    in violation of every moral
    and legal principle
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    known to all civilized nations.
  • 163:56 - 164:00
    The tribunal has
    carefully studied the record
  • 164:00 - 164:02
    and found therein
  • 164:02 - 164:08
    abundant evidence to support
    beyond a reasonable doubt
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    the charges against these defendants.
  • 164:13 - 164:15
    [PEOPLE MURMURING]
  • 164:23 - 164:24
    Herr Rolfe
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    in his very skillful defense
  • 164:29 - 164:32
    has asserted that there are others
  • 164:34 - 164:37
    who must share the ultimate responsibility
  • 164:37 - 164:39
    for what happened here in Germany.
  • 164:39 - 164:41
    There is truth in this.
  • 164:43 - 164:48
    The real complaining party at the
    bar in this courtroom is civilization.
  • 164:50 - 164:52
    But the tribunal does say
  • 164:53 - 164:57
    that the men in the dock
    are responsible for their actions.
  • 165:00 - 165:03
    Men who sat in black robes…
  • 165:05 - 165:08
    In judgment on other men.
  • 165:11 - 165:12
    Men who took part
  • 165:14 - 165:17
    in the enactment of laws and decrees…
  • 165:20 - 165:24
    The purpose of which
    was the extermination of human beings.
  • 165:24 - 165:27
    Men who, in executive positions,
  • 165:28 - 165:32
    actively participated
    in the enforcement of these laws,
  • 165:33 - 165:36
    illegal even under German law.
  • 165:43 - 165:44
    The principle
  • 165:45 - 165:51
    of criminal law in every civilized society
    has this in common:
  • 165:53 - 165:58
    Any person who sways another
    to commit murder,
  • 166:00 - 166:02
    any person who furnishes
  • 166:03 - 166:07
    the lethal weapon
    for the purpose of the crime,
  • 166:08 - 166:12
    any person who is an accessory
    to the crime
  • 166:13 - 166:15
    is guilty.
  • 166:20 - 166:21
    Herr Rolfe
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    further asserts that the defendant Janning
  • 166:28 - 166:30
    was an extraordinary jurist
  • 166:30 - 166:33
    and acted in what he thought
    was the best interest of his country.
  • 166:34 - 166:36
    There is truth in this also.
  • 166:38 - 166:39
    Janning, to be sure,
  • 166:41 - 166:42
    is a tragic figure.
  • 166:43 - 166:46
    We believe he loathed the evil he did.
  • 166:47 - 166:50
    But compassion
    for the present torture of his soul
  • 166:50 - 166:52
    must not beget forgetfulness
  • 166:53 - 166:58
    of the torture and the death of millions
    by the government of which he was a part.
  • 166:59 - 167:01
    Janning's record and his fate
  • 167:01 - 167:06
    illuminate the most shattering truth
    that has emerged from this trial.
  • 167:06 - 167:11
    If he and all of the other defendants
    had been degraded perverts,
  • 167:11 - 167:13
    if all of the leaders of the Third Reich
  • 167:13 - 167:17
    had been sadistic monsters and maniacs,
  • 167:18 - 167:22
    then these events would have
    no more moral significance
  • 167:22 - 167:25
    than an earthquake,
    or any other natural catastrophe.
  • 167:26 - 167:27
    But this trial has shown
  • 167:29 - 167:31
    that under a national crisis,
  • 167:32 - 167:35
    ordinary, even able and extraordinary men
  • 167:37 - 167:40
    can delude themselves
    into the commission of crimes
  • 167:41 - 167:44
    so vast and heinous
    that they beggar the imagination.
  • 167:44 - 167:47
    No one who has sat through the trial
    can ever forget them.
  • 167:49 - 167:52
    Men sterilized because
    of political belief.
  • 167:53 - 167:55
    A mockery made of friendship and faith.
  • 167:56 - 167:58
    The murder of children.
  • 167:59 - 168:01
    How easily it can happen.
  • 168:03 - 168:06
    There are those in our own country, too,
  • 168:06 - 168:10
    who today speak
    of the protection of country, of survival.
  • 168:10 - 168:14
    A decision must be made
    in the life of every nation
  • 168:14 - 168:18
    at the very moment when the
    grasp of the enemy is at its throat.
  • 168:18 - 168:22
    Then it seems that the only way to survive
    is to use the means of the enemy,
  • 168:22 - 168:26
    to rest survival upon what is expedient,
    to look the other way.
  • 168:28 - 168:31
    Well, then, the answer to that is:
  • 168:32 - 168:33
    survival as what?
  • 168:34 - 168:36
    A country isn't a rock.
  • 168:37 - 168:39
    It's not an extension of one's self.
  • 168:40 - 168:42
    It's what it stands for.
  • 168:42 - 168:46
    It's what it stands for when standing for
    something is the most difficult.
  • 168:50 - 168:52
    Before the people of the world
  • 168:53 - 168:55
    let it now be noted
  • 168:57 - 169:00
    that here in our decision,
    this is what we stand for:
  • 169:01 - 169:03
    Justice,
  • 169:03 - 169:05
    truth…
  • 169:07 - 169:10
    And the value of a single human being.
  • 169:21 - 169:24
    The marshal will produce
    before the tribunal the defendant Hahn.
  • 169:27 - 169:29
    Emil Hahn,
  • 169:29 - 169:31
    the tribunal finds you guilty
  • 169:32 - 169:34
    and sentences you to life imprisonment.
  • 169:34 - 169:38
    Today you sentence me.
    Tomorrow the Bolsheviks sentence you.
  • 169:39 - 169:41
    [PEOPLE MURMURING]
  • 169:45 - 169:49
    The marshal will produce the defendant
    Hoffstetter before the tribunal.
  • 169:52 - 169:55
    Fried rich Hoffstetter,
  • 169:55 - 169:59
    the tribunal finds you guilty
    and sentences you to life imprisonment.
  • 170:01 - 170:02
    [PEOPLE MURMURING]
  • 170:04 - 170:08
    The marshal will produce
    the defendant Lammpe before the tribunal.
  • 170:14 - 170:15
    Werner Lammpe,
  • 170:17 - 170:19
    the tribunal finds you guilty
  • 170:20 - 170:23
    and sentences you to life imprisonment.
  • 170:26 - 170:28
    [PEOPLE MURMURING]
  • 170:28 - 170:30
    [GAVEL POUNDING]
  • 170:33 - 170:37
    The marshal will produce the defendant
    Ernst Janning before the tribunal.
  • 170:53 - 170:55
    Ernst Janning,
  • 170:56 - 170:58
    the tribunal finds you guilty
  • 170:59 - 171:02
    and sentences you to life imprisonment.
  • 171:06 - 171:07
    [PEOPLE MURMURING]
  • 171:07 - 171:09
    He doesn't understand.
  • 171:11 - 171:13
    He just doesn't understand.
  • 171:14 - 171:15
    He understands.
  • 171:19 - 171:21
    [GAVEL POUNDING]
  • 171:29 - 171:31
    Justice Ives dissenting.
  • 171:34 - 171:36
    I wish to point out strongly
  • 171:37 - 171:40
    my dissenting vote
    from the decision of this tribunal
  • 171:40 - 171:42
    as stated by Justice Haywood,
  • 171:42 - 171:45
    and in which Justice Norris concurred.
  • 171:46 - 171:49
    The issue of the actions
    of the defendants
  • 171:49 - 171:53
    who believed they were acting
    in the best interests of their country
  • 171:53 - 171:57
    is an issue that cannot be
    decided in a courtroom alone.
  • 171:59 - 172:01
    It can only be decided objectively
  • 172:02 - 172:06
    in years to come,
    in the true perspective of history.
  • 172:14 - 172:16
    And, uh, where shall I put
    these books, Your Honor?
  • 172:16 - 172:19
    -Put them in the trunk, Mr. Halbestadt.
    -Yeah.
  • 172:22 - 172:26
    Your Honor, here's something for you
    to have on the plane.
  • 172:26 - 172:29
    Oh, oh, no. If you give me
    any more food, Mrs. Halbestadt,
  • 172:29 - 172:31
    I… I won't have any room
    for anything else.
  • 172:31 - 172:33
    But it's strudel, the way you like it.
  • 172:34 - 172:35
    Thank you. Thank you for everything.
  • 172:35 - 172:36
    Yeah.
  • 172:37 - 172:39
    -I'll put it in the car for you.
    -Thanks.
  • 172:39 - 172:41
    Tickets, passport, immunization.
    All in order.
  • 172:42 - 172:44
    I'll have your baggage checks
    and boarding pass at the airport.
  • 172:44 - 172:46
    -Thank you.
    -See you there no later than 3:00.
  • 172:46 - 172:47
    Right.
  • 172:47 - 172:50
    Oh, and give my regards
    to Miss… What was her name?
  • 172:50 - 172:52
    Scheffler. Elsa.
  • 172:53 - 172:54
    That's one you owe me.
  • 172:54 - 172:55
    What do you mean?
  • 172:55 - 172:59
    Americans aren't very popular
    in Nuremberg this morning.
  • 173:15 - 173:17
    [DIALING]
  • 173:22 - 173:24
    [PHONE RINGING]
  • 173:35 - 173:37
    [PHONE CONTINUES RINGING]
  • 174:00 - 174:01
    Good afternoon, Your Honor.
  • 174:01 - 174:03
    Good afternoon.
  • 174:04 - 174:09
    I came here at the request
    of my client, Ernst Janning.
  • 174:11 - 174:12
    He wishes to see you.
  • 174:13 - 174:16
    I'm just leaving for the airport.
  • 174:17 - 174:21
    He says it would mean a great deal to him.
  • 174:27 - 174:31
    Have you heard about the verdict
    in the I.G. Farben case?
  • 174:32 - 174:33
    Most of them were acquitted.
  • 174:33 - 174:36
    The others received light sentences.
  • 174:36 - 174:38
    The verdict came in today.
  • 174:38 - 174:39
    No, I hadn't heard.
  • 174:41 - 174:43
    I will make you a wager.
  • 174:43 - 174:45
    I don't make wagers.
  • 174:46 - 174:48
    A gentleman's wager.
  • 174:49 - 174:55
    In five years, the men you sentenced
    to life imprisonment will be free.
  • 174:58 - 175:02
    Herr Rolfe, I have admired your work
    in the courtroom for many months.
  • 175:03 - 175:05
    You are particularly brilliant
    in your use of logic.
  • 175:05 - 175:06
    Thank you.
  • 175:06 - 175:11
    So what you suggest may very well happen.
  • 175:12 - 175:16
    It is logical,
    in view of the times in which we live.
  • 175:17 - 175:20
    But to be logical is not to be right.
  • 175:20 - 175:24
    And nothing on God's earth
    could ever make it right.
  • 175:35 - 175:36
    Someone to see you.
  • 175:47 - 175:49
    [DOOR CLOSING]
  • 175:49 - 175:50
    Herr Janning.
  • 175:52 - 175:54
    Judge Haywood.
  • 175:56 - 175:58
    Please, sit down.
  • 175:59 - 176:02
    Thank you. You wanted to see me?
  • 176:03 - 176:06
    Yes. There is something
    I… I want to give you.
  • 176:07 - 176:08
    A record.
  • 176:11 - 176:12
    A record of my cases.
  • 176:13 - 176:15
    The ones I remember.
  • 176:16 - 176:19
    I want to give them
    to someone I can trust,
  • 176:20 - 176:23
    someone I felt I got to know
    during the trial.
  • 176:30 - 176:31
    Thank you.
  • 176:34 - 176:35
    I'll take good care of them.
  • 176:37 - 176:40
    I know the pressures
    that have been brought upon you.
  • 176:41 - 176:43
    You will be criticized greatly.
  • 176:44 - 176:47
    Your decision will not be a popular one.
  • 176:49 - 176:52
    But if it means anything to you,
  • 176:53 - 176:57
    you have the respect
    of at least one of the men you convicted.
  • 176:58 - 177:04
    By all that is right in this world,
    your verdict was a just one.
  • 177:06 - 177:07
    Thank you.
  • 177:09 - 177:13
    What you said in the courtroom,
    it needed to be said.
  • 177:14 - 177:15
    Judge Haywood…
  • 177:19 - 177:21
    The reason I asked you to come…
  • 177:29 - 177:30
    Those people,
  • 177:32 - 177:34
    those millions of people,
  • 177:36 - 177:38
    I never knew it would come to that.
  • 177:39 - 177:41
    You must believe it.
  • 177:41 - 177:43
    You must believe it.
  • 177:46 - 177:48
    Herr Janning,
  • 177:49 - 177:53
    it came to that the first time
    you sentenced a man to death
  • 177:53 - 177:55
    you knew to be innocent.
  • 178:32 - 178:34
    [MEN SINGING IN GERMAN]
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    [MEN CONTINUE SINGING IN GERMAN]
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