Systemic challenges require systemic solutions

You know, it's a very
good question because I think

people have wondered, is it as
simple as formalising what is

now informal? And I think to
some extent, I don't think it's

that's exactly the simple
solution. But it's very hard

because, you know, I think one
of the difficulties that my team

and I experienced and a funny
anecdote was, for example, we

donated a bunch of 10 standard
issue gas masks to 10 scrap

burners, who burned the copper
wires to salvage precious

metals, and in an experiment
after making this, you know,

small dent and this donation of
10 masks when we came back,

let's say about a week and a
half later, to

check up on the working
conditions and the

developments to see if they were
using the masks we gave them,

most of them really weren't. And
so it just shows you that sort

of there's sort of like an
education and a sort of, you

know, I've learned that in
working in places like

Agbogbloshie in the informal
sector, trust is a currency. You

know, people have to know people
at that level, you know, living

below the poverty line need to
trust you. And so sometimes that

can be a challenge in certain
situations, and it's something

that needs to be addressed, but
it's definitely something worth

exploring. But I'm confident in
saying that I don't really have

the answers to as of yet,
because it is... the informal

sector, people need to
understand that it is. It has a

life of its own. It's, you know,
it doesn't deal with the same...

you're dealing with language
barriers, access to new

educational barriers, and other
impediments that make it

difficult to you know to solve
issues simply or effectively all

at once.