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K: I think there are better things
to photograph than the speaker.
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One has to go over a little bit
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what we were talking about
yesterday.
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Perhaps there are some new people
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and if you don’t mind,
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we’ll go over briefly
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what we talked about
last time that we met here.
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We are not doing
any kind of propaganda,
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nor trying to persuade you
to think in a particular direction,
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nor asking you
to join anything,
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but seeing what the world is,
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the terrible mess it is in,
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we ought,
if we are at all serious,
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to look at the actualities
objectively,
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with clarity,
without any personal prejudice.
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We were saying
thought has been responsible
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for the great calamities
of the world,
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and also thought
has been responsible
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for the good things of life,
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like surgery, communication
and so on.
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Thought has done great harm,
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both in the world of technology
and in the world of religion.
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Thought has invented
the tank, the submarine,
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thought also invented
the computer.
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It is being programmed and
will outstrip man in his thought.
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Also, it has created, invented
all the religions in the world,
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and the content of those temples
right throughout the world.
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And there is nothing sacred
about thought,
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but yet thought assumes
that what it has invented is sacred
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and then begins to worship
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that which it has created
as being sacred.
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So, thought is worshipping itself.
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It is a form of self-illusion
and self-worship.
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We were saying yesterday
that thought is not,
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can never be complete, whole,
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because thought is based
on knowledge, experience, memory.
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Without memory, without knowledge
there could be no thought,
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we would be in a state of amnesia.
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And thought, being partial
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and therefore never complete,
never whole,
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whatever it creates
must be partial, limited,
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and whatever it conceives
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as the supreme, as the immortal,
as the timeless,
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must also be limited.
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Thought has created all our problems
both outwardly and inwardly.
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Psychologically,
we have a great many problems,
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problems of relationship,
problems of fear, pleasure
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and the enormous burden of sorrow,
not only the personal
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but also the global
sorrow of mankind.
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And where there is sorrow,
there cannot be love
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or compassion,
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which has its own intelligence.
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We were saying yesterday
that we must, if we can,
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think together about
the whole problem of existence.
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Not according to the speaker or
to your own particular point of view
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but observing what the world is,
that we human beings have created it
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and we together
have to totally transform it.
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It’s not one person’s problem.
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It’s the problem or the issue
for all of us.
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We cannot possibly
escape from it.
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And we were saying, too,
that our consciousness,
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which is the very structure
and nature of our being,
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is the common ground
on which all humanity stands.
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We said yesterday
that wherever you go,
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whatever climate,
whatever the environment,
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totalitarian or democratic,
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man suffers,
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man has carried the burden of fear,
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is everlastingly pursuing pleasure.
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And there is a great deal
of uncertainty, anxiety, confusion.
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This is common to all mankind
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whether they are brown, white,
pink or yellow or black,
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this is the common ground
on which we all stand.
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This is logical, rational, sane,
it’s so obvious.
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But we are unwilling to face
that which is obvious, true,
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because we are all thinking
in terms of individuality,
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separate entities,
separate human beings.
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But when one observes
psychologically, closely,
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one sees that the consciousness
of each one of us
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is similar to the consciousness
of the rest of mankind.
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Where mankind suffers,
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mankind goes
through a great many travails,
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anxieties, depressions,
loneliness, confusion, misery,
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like each of us.
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So, we are
the rest of humanity.
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Either you reject that entirely,
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say we are all individuals,
inseparable,
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or that may be an illusion
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in which we have been educated
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both religiously, socially, morally.
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Or you observe actually,
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without any prejudice,
without any conclusion,
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the actuality of the common ground
on which every human being stands.
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When and if you perceive that
in its entirety,
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not only intellectually
but deep down in one’s heart,
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then our problem is
not individual salvation
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or individual problems
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but the problem of humanity,
which is you,
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and so we move away
from particular little problems
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to a much greater problem.
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What is the future of mankind
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when the computer
takes over all our thinking,
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as it will,
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learns much quicker than we can,
corrects itself
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and creates better machines
than the first one
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which was put together by man
and so on?
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Of course, the computer cannot love,
cannot look at the stars,
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the beauty of an evening,
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but the computer can work out
human problems much quicker,
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and so what happens to man?
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This is not a question
put by the speaker only,
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it’s also being put
by all the so-called specialists
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who are involved
in the computer business.
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So, our consciousness
with all its content,
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the beliefs, the dogmas,
the experiences, the rituals,
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the democratic
and the totalitarian,
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the symbols which we worship,
which have been created by thought,
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the fears, the pleasures, the pain,
the loneliness, the anxiety,
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sorrow,
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the content of our consciousness
is all that.
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I don’t think
anybody can dispute that.
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It stands any kind of argument.
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Either, as we pointed out yesterday,
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we pursue entertainment
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for the rest of our lives
and future generations
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– football, religious entertainments
and all that –
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or move totally
in a different level.
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That is, to know oneself
most profoundly.
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Not according to any psychiatrist,
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not according to any philosopher,
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but to discover actually
what we are,
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actually see all the complexities
of our nature,
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and either go in that direction,
or in the other.
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That is the problem
in front of humanity.
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That’s the crisis.
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Not the financial, or the political,
not the crisis of war,
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but what man,
you and the rest of us,
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in what direction shall we go,
what is the future for us?
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Apart from the nuclear bomb
and all the rest of it,
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are we serious enough
to face this challenge,
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the crisis that is?
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Either we turn into understanding
ourselves most profoundly,
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or live a very, very
superficial life,
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with entertainment
of various kinds.
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To understand ourselves is
one of the most difficult problems.
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It’s fairly easy to understand
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the whole movement
of the entertainment industry.
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But to understand ourselves
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not according to anybody
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– Freud, Jung
or the latest psychologist –
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but putting aside all those
to look at ourselves.
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Can we look at ourselves
actually as we are?
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In all of us,
there is this urge to become,
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to be somebody, both outwardly,
as well as inwardly.
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Outwardly, it is obvious
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– the worship of success.
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Inwardly,
there’s always this movement
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to be something more
than what one is,
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because we don’t know
what one is, first,
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but we’re always eager
to be more than we are.
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The more or the better
is the enemy of the good.
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So, to understand ourselves,
to look at ourselves,
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that is, to be aware of all
the content of our consciousness,
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is that possible?
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I hope we are thinking together.
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Please, the speaker is not giving
a talk, a lecture, a sermon,
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which would be horrible,
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but we are thinking together.
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That may be one of the most
difficult things, too,
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because we never…
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we are so concerned
with our own thinking
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that we cannot co-operate
in thinking together
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about the same thing.
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To look at it, not from
any particular point of view,
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to look at it freely
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– that seems to be one
of the most difficult things to do.
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So, can we look at ourselves freely,
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at what is actually going on,
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without any motive,
distortion or direction?
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Is that possible?
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As we’ve said,
the content of our consciousness
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is put there by thought
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the gods we believe in,
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the symbols invented by thought,
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all the fears,
the enormous sense of loneliness,
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the violence –
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this whole content is you and I.
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Can we look at that content
as a whole
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or must we look at it
bit by bit – fear, pleasure,
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pain, grief, loneliness, sorrow,
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love, death, meditation, and so on?
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That is,
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our brain which is now
functioning partially,
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that part is looking at the content
of all the consciousness.
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Right?
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That content can be perceived
through relationship.
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That’s the mirror
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in which the content of our
consciousness can be observed.
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Relationship between one another,
intimate or otherwise,
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in that mirror you can see
your reactions of fear,
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possessiveness, domination,
violence, sexually and otherwise,
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all the reactions and the responses
in that relationship are revealed,
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if one observes it,
if one is aware of it.
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Are those reactions
to be examined one by one?
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That would take
an enormous time,
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perhaps a whole life,
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and that would be impossible.
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Or can one perceive
the totality of it, at one glance?
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You understand my question?
Are we thinking together?
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Or are you merely
listening to the speaker?
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Please don’t,
then it is worthless.
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Then it has no meaning,
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you’re merely hearing
a lot of words and ideas,
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but if we are thinking together,
observing together,
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the whole structure of a human being
– his existence, his reactions,
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his pains, his suffering –
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then we can together
walk the same path,
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the same direction,
the same movement.
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So, please,
we are thinking together.
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You’re not merely
listening to the speaker,
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though he may act as a mirror,
for the time being.
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That mirror can be broken
at any time,
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it’s not worth keeping.
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The mirror is merely
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that in which you can see
what is actually going on.
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So the question is,
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the content of our consciousness
makes up the consciousness.
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In that consciousness
are all these things,
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all the things
put together by thought,
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even the ultimate principle,
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all the gods, all the saviours,
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is all put there by thought,
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conditioned by 2,000 years
of propaganda of Christianity
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or perhaps 4 or 5,000 years
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of the propaganda
and tradition of India.
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Can we look together
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at the question,
say for example, of fear?
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Or look directly, simply,
at our relationship with each other.
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Let’s begin with that,
because that’s much closer.
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Wherever one lives one is related,
it doesn’t matter to what
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– to nature, to another person.
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What is that relationship?
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Not the problems
that are inherent in relationship,
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not the problems,
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but what is relationship?
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We’re enquiring
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not into the resolution
of problems in relationship
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but rather, enquiring together
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into the question of what is
the truth about relationship.
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Is it merely sensory, sexual?
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Is it merely a companionship,
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depending on each other,
exploiting each other,
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trying to dominate each other,
possess each other?
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Or is it much deeper?
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Please,
you’re asking these questions,
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I’m not the only one asking.
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So, we have to enquire,
very closely and deeply,
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into what is relationship.
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Because human relationship
has created this society,
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the social order or disorder.
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Our relationship to each other
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is the outcome,
is giving birth to society.
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Society, as it is now, is based on
aggression, violence, competition,
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hierarchical structure.
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Is our relationship similar to that?
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– greed, envy, jealousy
and so on.
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So, first one has to enquire, very
deeply, into what is relationship.
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Is it merely a pursuit of pleasure
or the expression of one’s desire,
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or is there basically,
deeply love?
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Can love exist with desire?
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Or with pleasure?
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Or if they exist, love is not.
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So, one has to go into this
very carefully,
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to discover for ourselves,
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if we are at all aware,
serious and all that,
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whether it’s possible
to live a life
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in which relationship
doesn’t become a conflict.
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We talked about it,
partially, yesterday.
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We said our relationship is now
based on two separate individuals,
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two parallel lines, like a railway,
that never meet.
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Perhaps they meet sexually
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but otherwise,
each pursues his own direction.
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And that relationship
becomes distorted.
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In that relationship there is an
enormous amount of conflict, misery,
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confusion,
escaping from that relationship
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to another kind of relationship.
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In the new relationship,
the same thing exists
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and so we carry on.
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So, the deep cause of this division
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is thinking
that each one is separate.
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Obviously.
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I am separate from my wife.
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I must fulfil in my way,
and she must fulfil in her way.
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She must climb the ladder
of success socially,
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and I may not want
to climb the social ladder,
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I may want to climb
the ladder of spirituality.
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So, there is conflict
between us
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because each person
wants his way.
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Each one is so consumed
with his own selfish point of view.
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Is that the deep root cause
of conflict in our relationship?
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If it is, is it possible
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to totally wipe away
this separate feeling?
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You are following all this?
Is that possible?
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It may be possible
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if we begin to understand
the nature of ourselves,
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the structure of myself.
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What is myself? You understand?
We are going into it.
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What am I?
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A name, a form
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– a certain physical structure –
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apart from that,
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I am the result
of thousands of years.
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Right?
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My brain has evolved
through time,
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accumulating a great deal
of experience and knowledge,
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both inherited and acquired
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genetically, which involves time,
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and the conditioning
in which I have been born
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– Christian, Hindu, Buddhist,
hot climate, hot food, cold climate,
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not tasty food and so on, so on.
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Sorry!
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Also, the religious conditioning –
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superstition,
the worship of symbols,
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not the actual,
but the worship of symbols,
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the image created by thought,
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by thought or by hand,
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the beliefs, the dogmas,
the rituals,
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you know – all that I am.
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My education, my ambition,
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the whole structure of me
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is not only the influence
of the environment,
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the cultural,
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but also the so-called spiritual,
religious.
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And the religious conditioning
is merely carrying on old tradition
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of belief, dogma, rituals, repeating
certain meaningless words,
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so I’m all that.
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That is what I am.
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That’s what each one of us is,
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in a different environment,
but basically the same.
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My brain is operating
only partially.
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Please, this is really
important to understand
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if you want to go into it, deeply.
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My brain is functioning partially,
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because knowledge is partial.
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Knowledge can never be complete
about anything,
-
even about the most complex
technology, it’s not complete,
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there’s always
something new taking place.
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And the accumulated knowledge
of experience is very limited.
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So, knowledge always goes
with ignorance.
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So, the brain is trained
in knowledge
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and continues to live in ignorance
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– they are both functioning.
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The brain is functioning partially
because it’s based on knowledge,
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and so whatever it does
must be partial,
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and therefore its action
must be partial,
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and when the action is partial,
there must be regrets,
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pain, anxiety, worry, loneliness
– all that follows.
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The partial activity of the brain
has broken up life
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– business life, religious life,
family life, spiritual life,
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technological life – you follow?
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It has broken it up,
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because the brain itself is partial,
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it’s not operating as a whole.
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Right? Is this somewhat clear
between us? Right.
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So, relationship
when based on thought,
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which it is now,
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because it is partial, there is
division and therefore, conflict.
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The next question is,
can the brain function as a whole?
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Right?
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Is that possible?
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Because we have been trained
for thousands of years
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to only function partially.
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And we must understand together
the partial effects in our life
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– fear as separate from pleasure,
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pleasure separate from pain,
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pain separate from sorrow,
and so on.
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Or can we look at the whole movement
of existence as a whole?
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I hope we are understanding.
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May we continue along these lines?
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We are saying it is possible.
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It is not a trick,
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nothing to be learnt
from the speaker,
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not a new school to be started
– a guru and all that nonsense –
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but one can discover
this thing for oneself.
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Therefore,
you are then free from everybody
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and don’t depend on anybody.
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And we are going to go into that.
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That is, to find out for ourselves
whether it’s possible,
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though, for thousands of years,
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the brain has only
been active partially,
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whether it is possible
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for the brain
to function as a whole.
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Then it’ll have
tremendous energy.
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Right?
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Not to do mischief
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but to live a life
which is whole, unbroken
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and therefore,
a life that is good.
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Let’s find out if it’s possible.
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First, let’s take out of the content
of our consciousness, fear.
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We talked about relationship,
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let’s talk together about fear.
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You may not have fear
sitting there, now.
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I hope not.
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But our background,
in our daily life,
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either one is conscious
of the various factors of fear
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or one neglects it,
accepts it, and carries on.
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That is, one has become
accustomed to fear
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and therefore,
the brain naturally becomes dull.
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When one becomes accustomed
to anything, it becomes a routine.
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It’s not active.
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Any specialised career,
though it is partially active,
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the rest of it is inactive.
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So, one of the factors of our life
is fear
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– so many forms of fear –
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fear of tremendous loneliness,
fear of death,
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fear of darkness,
fear of a dozen things.
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But can we look at fear
as a whole?
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Not my particular form of fear,
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my loneliness,
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but both the hidden
and obvious fear,
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can one find out,
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discover or observe
the whole movement of fear?
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Right?
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Is that possible,
first of all?
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Can one observe holistically,
if I can use that word
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which science is accepting,
holistically,
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can we look at ourselves
as a whole?
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Which is, take fear
and look at it as a whole.
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That is, the cause of fear.
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When you discover the cause,
there is an end to a cause, surely?
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If I discover that I have cancer,
which is causing pain,
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then it can either be eliminated
or I die.
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So, one has to discover for oneself,
not be taught,
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not learn from somebody,
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the root of fear.
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What is the root of fear?
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Is it time?
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Time being the past
meeting the present,
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and modifying itself
in the future.
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The movement from yesterday
to today and tomorrow
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– that is time.
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Is time the root cause of fear?
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The fear that tomorrow
I may not exist.
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Fear of not being successful.
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Fear of being this
and wanting that,
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and the wanting that
and not being able to achieve that,
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and so on.
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So, we are asking
is fear a matter of time?
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Just wait, find out.
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Fear is also
a movement of thought.
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Right?
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I have had pain last week
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and I might have pain
again next week
-
– there is the element of time.
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Thought which says,
‘I’ve had pain’, the memory of it,
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that memory
continues to next week
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and says, ‘Be careful, don’t have
pain again’ – there is fear.
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So, is the root of fear
time and thought?
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Or time is thought?
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They are not two separate movements,
time is thought.
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Are you getting bored
with all this?
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It is a nice day,
you can go out.
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So, time is movement
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from last week,
today and tomorrow.
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Thought is also a movement
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born of the knowledge
of last week’s pain
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and not wanting it again
next week.
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So, time is thought.
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And so time-thought
is the root of fear.
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Not how to stop time
or thought,
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but we are observing
the cause of fear,
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not what to do
about the cause.
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If you act to eliminate the cause
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– please follow this carefully –
if you wish to eliminate the cause,
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then you are still caught in time.
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You may not be able to do it,
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then you search or ask
somebody to help you
-
and you are caught back again.
You follow all this?
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Right?
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That is, sir,
let me explain again.
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I want to find out the root of fear,
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not trim the branches of fear
-
but the very root of fear,
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the cause of all my fear
of loneliness, despair,
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fear of another,
fear of being hurt.
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And I’m hurt from childhood,
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from the other boys, parents,
school, college.
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I’m being hurt all the time.
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The cause of the hurt is
that I have an image about myself.
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The image which my parents
have given me,
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society has given me,
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and the image which I have
built myself, about myself.
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When I say I am hurt,
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the image which I’ve created
for myself, which is me,
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the image is trampled upon
and it gets hurt.
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The consequences of that hurt
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is to resist,
build a wall round oneself,
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becoming more and more lonely,
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avoiding –
you know all that business.
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So, gradually, I withdraw
with all the neurotic symptoms.
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So, I want to find out if it is
possible to eliminate the root of…
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to first find out the root
and what to do about the cause.
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Right?
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Is my motive to be free of the cause
because it brings fear?
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Therefore, I say my motive is
to be free of it.
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When there is a motive,
that very motive becomes the fear.
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I wonder if you understand this.
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Are you following?
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All right.
You look all puzzled, I’ll explain.
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I have discovered for myself
the root of fear – time-thought.
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That’s the basic cause,
irrefutable.
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And my natural instinct
is to be free of the cause
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so that I’ll be free from fear.
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A marvellous thing
to be free from fear.
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So, the motive colours the cause.
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Or the motive directs in what
direction the cause will dissolve.
-
I wonder if you are following.
Right? No?
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Gosh, we need to explain
every darn thing, isn’t it?
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What is a motive?
-
The meaning of that word
is movement.
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The movement is
my desire to be free of the cause.
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My desire which says,
‘I must be free of that
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in order to be free
from all pain of fear’.
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What is my desire?
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What is desire?
You follow?
-
I started out with fear,
-
by examining
what is the root of fear,
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I’ve discovered the root of fear,
which is thought-time
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and my motive
is to be free of it,
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which is my desire, my will,
to be free of it.
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So, I have to enquire
into what is desire,
-
which says,
‘I must be free of it’.
-
The desire itself may be fear,
desire itself may be the cause.
-
So, I have to examine very closely
what is desire.
-
We’re doing it together, I’m not
examining and you just listening
-
– together we are examining,
exploring, investigating,
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looking into the nature
and the movement of desire.
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What is desire?
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Is it a sensation?
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Is it a sensation
transformed by thought,
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with the image
of being free from the cause?
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You are following this?
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Is this too much of a thing for you,
in the morning?
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That is, I have a sensation,
the sensation is fear.
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Right?
It is a sensation
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– unpleasant, narrowing,
ugly thing –
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and I have found the cause of it,
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and desire says
get rid of the cause,
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because the cause is
a part of sensation,
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and desire is also
part of sensation.
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Right?
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And that sensation
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manifests itself by thought
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with the image
of being free from the cause.
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Right? Is this too much?
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All right,
let’s make it much simpler.
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First, I have a sensation
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that I must be free
of the cause of fear.
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That’s a sensation.
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The sensation
which awakens the thought
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to be free of the cause.
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That is,
I see something pleasant,
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the perception,
the seeing causing sensation,
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then contact,
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then thought creating the image
me having that blue shirt,
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or blue dress or whatever it is
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– you follow? –
that’s the movement.
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First perception, sensation,
contact, touch,
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then thought says, ‘How nice
I would look with that blue shirt’
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or with that pink dress.
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So, desire is a movement
of sensation,
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then thought creating
the image.
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From that moment desire is born.
Is that clear?
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Then desire itself
becomes the cause of fear.
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Right?
Are you seeing this?
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I have traced the cause of fear
to the basic cause.
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Then desire says,
‘I must be free of it’.
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That desire is
the image of me being free.
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That image is going to be hurt.
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Right? So, I’m back to fear.
I wonder if you see it?
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Right?
Can I go on?
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So, this is the whole
movement of fear.
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Any action the partial brain
takes with regard to it
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is still within
the framework of fear.
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I wonder if you realise this.
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That is, to have an insight
into the nature of fear.
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That very insight dissolves fear.
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Then you might ask what is insight?
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Shall I go on with all this?
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You are very patient,
on a hot day.
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You see, what we are
trying to find out is
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whether the whole of the brain
can operate,
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not the partial brain.
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Because if the whole brain
can operate,
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the things which the limited brain
has created, disappear.
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The part disappears in the whole.
You understand?
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So, I have to discover,
we have to find out
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whether it is at all possible
for the whole brain to operate.
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Then, whatever the part has created
is dissolved.
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The part doesn’t exist
because it’s whole. Right?
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And insight is
the action of the whole
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because it’s not based
on time,
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it’s not based on knowledge,
on remembrance,
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but instant perception
of the truth of fear.
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That is to open up
the whole brain to act.
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Am I conveying something
about this?
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That is, sir, look,
we are operating now,
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our whole action
is based on knowledge
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– experience, knowledge,
memory, thought, action –
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that’s how we operate
– experience, knowledge,
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memory stored in the brain,
thought, action,
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and from that action, we learn more
and repeat the pattern.
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That is simple enough.
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This is what is actually
taking place, all the time.
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Learning more,
slowly or quickly,
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acting,
and from that action learn more.
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This is the cycle
in which thought is operating.
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In this operation,
we have all the problems,
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linguistic, social, religious
and so on.
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Right?
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Insight is not an action
based on memory,
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on experience, knowledge,
memory, thought, action.
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It is free of all that.
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Surely, you must have had occasions
when you see something immediately,
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instantly understand something,
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and from that deep understanding
you act.
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It has happened to all of us,
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either partially, as in the case
of poets, artists, scientists,
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or with the really religious people,
the deep, profound religious people,
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not the orthodox religion,
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they have a tremendous insight
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and the clarity of the whole thing
is made clear.
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We will go into it,
as we go along.
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One of the factors of this
content of consciousness
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is the pursuit of pleasure,
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different from fear.
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We avoid fear, run away from fear,
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cover it up and pursue pleasure,
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sexually,
in ten different ways
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– pleasure of reputation,
pleasure of talking to you –
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which I haven’t got, thank God!
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And so on, so on, so on.
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So, what is pleasure?
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Why does man cling to pleasure,
pursue pleasure?
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From time immemorial,
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pleasure has been
one of the principles
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that man has pursued
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– in the name of God,
in the name of peace –
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– ten different ways.
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What is pleasure?
Why this insistence on pleasure,
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both externally and inwardly?
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Is pleasure a memory?
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A remembrance of something
in the past
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which gave you a delight,
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at the moment of perception,
the delight,
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then the remembrance of it,
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and pursuing the remembrance
not the fact.
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Right?
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That is, is pleasure a remembrance?
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Pleasure as a future.
Is there pleasure in the future,
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which is hope, and so on?
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So, please examine,
let’s look at it together,
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this factor that human beings
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have been pursuing
for thousands of years,
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in the name of God,
in the name of nations,
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every form of pleasure,
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why have we pursued pleasure?
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Always avoiding fear
and pursuing this.
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Or are they both
related to each other?
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What is pleasure?
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You look at a sunset,
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with all the glory of a sunset,
the beauty of it, the radiance,
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the extraordinary light
on the clouds,
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at that moment,
you have forgotten yourself
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and you are looking
at this sunset.
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It is recorded,
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that delight,
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and you pursue the record,
not the actuality of the sunset.
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Right?
This is what happens.
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You may have had sexual pleasure,
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then the remembrance of it
and the pursuit of it
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– or different forms of pleasure,
I won’t go into all that.
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It’s fairly simple.
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So, is pleasure a remembrance?
Is pleasure a thought?
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Is pleasure time?
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Of course, it is.
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So, thought-time is the movement
of fear as well as pleasure.
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I wish you would see this.
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Not from me,
see it for yourself,
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you’ll see the extraordinary
reality of it,
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that thought and time have
been the factors of pleasure,
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pain and fear.
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Is love thought and time?
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Now we have associated love
with pleasure,
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with all the problems
involved in it
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– jealousy, anxiety, possessiveness,
dependency, all that.
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So, one has to understand, go into
this whole question of what is love.
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One can go into it verbally
but the word is not the fact,
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the feeling, the depth of it,
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the beauty of it,
the vitality of it.
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So, if love is not desire
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and is not pleasure,
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then what is it?
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Does it come into being
only when the self is not?
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The self is time and thought.
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I wonder
if you’re following all this.
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‘Me’ is time and thought,
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and as long as that exists
the other cannot possibly exist.
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Love cannot exist
with selfishness.
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Selfishness may take
different forms,
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cover it all up with kid gloves
and roseate colour,
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but it is still selfishness.
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That is, the ‘me’ and the ‘you’.
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As long as that element
exists in one’s heart,
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obviously, the other cannot exist.
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You may talk about the love of God,
the love of Jesus, love of Buddha,
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but that’s just empty words.
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So, is love the awakening
of the whole of the brain?
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You understand?
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We have been
carefully going into this.
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We started out with relationship,
the various forms of hurts,
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the image about oneself.
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That image gets hurt, flattered
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and so relationship
always remains separate,
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two railway lines never meeting.
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And fear is time-thought,
as pleasure.
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Is love time-thought,
a remembrance?
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Time-thought has put together
the whole structure of myself,
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psychologically,
as well as genetically.
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Where that structure as the self
exists,
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love cannot possibly exist,
obviously.
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Then one might ask,
what am I to do?
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I see this fact.
I logically agree.
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I see the sanity
of what you’re saying
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but I’m still terribly self-centred
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and I still love my wife.
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So, what am I to do?
Right?
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That’s the obvious,
rather limited question.
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When you put that question,
what am I to do,
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what is the reason of that question,
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the cause of it?
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Either you’re asking somebody else
to tell you what to do,
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of course, there are thousands of
people who will help you what to do,
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or you are asking that question
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to find out what not to do.
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You understand?
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If you ask what to do,
it’s simple enough, they’ll tell you
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– meditate, sit like this, breathe
like that, levitate, pay so much –
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and all the rest of it.
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But you see,
if you ask, ‘What am I…?’
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One realises that whatever you do,
is still selfish.
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Right?
You understand?
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If I say,
‘I must get rid of myself’,
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it’s still the movement of the self.
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If you realise that,
then you don’t do a thing.
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That is total negation of action.
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What is total negation of action,
is action. You understand?
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I wonder if you see that.
Right.