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J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1981 - Public Talk 2 - Looking at the whole content of...

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    K: I think there are better things
    to photograph than the speaker.
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    One has to go over a little bit
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    what we were talking about
    yesterday.
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    Perhaps there are some new people
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    and if you don’t mind,
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    we’ll go over briefly
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    what we talked about
    last time that we met here.
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    We are not doing
    any kind of propaganda,
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    nor trying to persuade you
    to think in a particular direction,
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    nor asking you
    to join anything,
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    but seeing what the world is,
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    the terrible mess it is in,
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    we ought,
    if we are at all serious,
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    to look at the actualities
    objectively,
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    with clarity,
    without any personal prejudice.
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    We were saying
    thought has been responsible
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    for the great calamities
    of the world,
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    and also thought
    has been responsible
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    for the good things of life,
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    like surgery, communication
    and so on.
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    Thought has done great harm,
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    both in the world of technology
    and in the world of religion.
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    Thought has invented
    the tank, the submarine,
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    thought also invented
    the computer.
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    It is being programmed and
    will outstrip man in his thought.
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    Also, it has created, invented
    all the religions in the world,
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    and the content of those temples
    right throughout the world.
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    And there is nothing sacred
    about thought,
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    but yet thought assumes
    that what it has invented is sacred
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    and then begins to worship
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    that which it has created
    as being sacred.
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    So, thought is worshipping itself.
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    It is a form of self-illusion
    and self-worship.
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    We were saying yesterday
    that thought is not,
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    can never be complete, whole,
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    because thought is based
    on knowledge, experience, memory.
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    Without memory, without knowledge
    there could be no thought,
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    we would be in a state of amnesia.
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    And thought, being partial
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    and therefore never complete,
    never whole,
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    whatever it creates
    must be partial, limited,
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    and whatever it conceives
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    as the supreme, as the immortal,
    as the timeless,
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    must also be limited.
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    Thought has created all our problems
    both outwardly and inwardly.
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    Psychologically,
    we have a great many problems,
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    problems of relationship,
    problems of fear, pleasure
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    and the enormous burden of sorrow,
    not only the personal
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    but also the global
    sorrow of mankind.
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    And where there is sorrow,
    there cannot be love
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    or compassion,
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    which has its own intelligence.
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    We were saying yesterday
    that we must, if we can,
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    think together about
    the whole problem of existence.
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    Not according to the speaker or
    to your own particular point of view
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    but observing what the world is,
    that we human beings have created it
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    and we together
    have to totally transform it.
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    It’s not one person’s problem.
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    It’s the problem or the issue
    for all of us.
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    We cannot possibly
    escape from it.
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    And we were saying, too,
    that our consciousness,
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    which is the very structure
    and nature of our being,
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    is the common ground
    on which all humanity stands.
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    We said yesterday
    that wherever you go,
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    whatever climate,
    whatever the environment,
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    totalitarian or democratic,
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    man suffers,
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    man has carried the burden of fear,
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    is everlastingly pursuing pleasure.
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    And there is a great deal
    of uncertainty, anxiety, confusion.
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    This is common to all mankind
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    whether they are brown, white,
    pink or yellow or black,
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    this is the common ground
    on which we all stand.
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    This is logical, rational, sane,
    it’s so obvious.
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    But we are unwilling to face
    that which is obvious, true,
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    because we are all thinking
    in terms of individuality,
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    separate entities,
    separate human beings.
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    But when one observes
    psychologically, closely,
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    one sees that the consciousness
    of each one of us
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    is similar to the consciousness
    of the rest of mankind.
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    Where mankind suffers,
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    mankind goes
    through a great many travails,
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    anxieties, depressions,
    loneliness, confusion, misery,
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    like each of us.
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    So, we are
    the rest of humanity.
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    Either you reject that entirely,
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    say we are all individuals,
    inseparable,
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    or that may be an illusion
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    in which we have been educated
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    both religiously, socially, morally.
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    Or you observe actually,
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    without any prejudice,
    without any conclusion,
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    the actuality of the common ground
    on which every human being stands.
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    When and if you perceive that
    in its entirety,
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    not only intellectually
    but deep down in one’s heart,
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    then our problem is
    not individual salvation
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    or individual problems
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    but the problem of humanity,
    which is you,
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    and so we move away
    from particular little problems
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    to a much greater problem.
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    What is the future of mankind
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    when the computer
    takes over all our thinking,
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    as it will,
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    learns much quicker than we can,
    corrects itself
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    and creates better machines
    than the first one
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    which was put together by man
    and so on?
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    Of course, the computer cannot love,
    cannot look at the stars,
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    the beauty of an evening,
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    but the computer can work out
    human problems much quicker,
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    and so what happens to man?
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    This is not a question
    put by the speaker only,
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    it’s also being put
    by all the so-called specialists
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    who are involved
    in the computer business.
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    So, our consciousness
    with all its content,
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    the beliefs, the dogmas,
    the experiences, the rituals,
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    the democratic
    and the totalitarian,
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    the symbols which we worship,
    which have been created by thought,
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    the fears, the pleasures, the pain,
    the loneliness, the anxiety,
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    sorrow,
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    the content of our consciousness
    is all that.
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    I don’t think
    anybody can dispute that.
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    It stands any kind of argument.
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    Either, as we pointed out yesterday,
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    we pursue entertainment
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    for the rest of our lives
    and future generations
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    – football, religious entertainments
    and all that –
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    or move totally
    in a different level.
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    That is, to know oneself
    most profoundly.
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    Not according to any psychiatrist,
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    not according to any philosopher,
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    but to discover actually
    what we are,
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    actually see all the complexities
    of our nature,
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    and either go in that direction,
    or in the other.
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    That is the problem
    in front of humanity.
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    That’s the crisis.
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    Not the financial, or the political,
    not the crisis of war,
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    but what man,
    you and the rest of us,
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    in what direction shall we go,
    what is the future for us?
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    Apart from the nuclear bomb
    and all the rest of it,
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    are we serious enough
    to face this challenge,
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    the crisis that is?
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    Either we turn into understanding
    ourselves most profoundly,
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    or live a very, very
    superficial life,
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    with entertainment
    of various kinds.
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    To understand ourselves is
    one of the most difficult problems.
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    It’s fairly easy to understand
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    the whole movement
    of the entertainment industry.
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    But to understand ourselves
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    not according to anybody
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    – Freud, Jung
    or the latest psychologist –
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    but putting aside all those
    to look at ourselves.
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    Can we look at ourselves
    actually as we are?
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    In all of us,
    there is this urge to become,
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    to be somebody, both outwardly,
    as well as inwardly.
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    Outwardly, it is obvious
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    – the worship of success.
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    Inwardly,
    there’s always this movement
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    to be something more
    than what one is,
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    because we don’t know
    what one is, first,
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    but we’re always eager
    to be more than we are.
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    The more or the better
    is the enemy of the good.
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    So, to understand ourselves,
    to look at ourselves,
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    that is, to be aware of all
    the content of our consciousness,
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    is that possible?
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    I hope we are thinking together.
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    Please, the speaker is not giving
    a talk, a lecture, a sermon,
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    which would be horrible,
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    but we are thinking together.
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    That may be one of the most
    difficult things, too,
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    because we never…
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    we are so concerned
    with our own thinking
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    that we cannot co-operate
    in thinking together
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    about the same thing.
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    To look at it, not from
    any particular point of view,
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    to look at it freely
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    – that seems to be one
    of the most difficult things to do.
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    So, can we look at ourselves freely,
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    at what is actually going on,
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    without any motive,
    distortion or direction?
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    Is that possible?
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    As we’ve said,
    the content of our consciousness
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    is put there by thought
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    the gods we believe in,
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    the symbols invented by thought,
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    all the fears,
    the enormous sense of loneliness,
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    the violence –
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    this whole content is you and I.
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    Can we look at that content
    as a whole
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    or must we look at it
    bit by bit – fear, pleasure,
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    pain, grief, loneliness, sorrow,
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    love, death, meditation, and so on?
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    That is,
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    our brain which is now
    functioning partially,
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    that part is looking at the content
    of all the consciousness.
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    Right?
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    That content can be perceived
    through relationship.
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    That’s the mirror
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    in which the content of our
    consciousness can be observed.
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    Relationship between one another,
    intimate or otherwise,
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    in that mirror you can see
    your reactions of fear,
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    possessiveness, domination,
    violence, sexually and otherwise,
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    all the reactions and the responses
    in that relationship are revealed,
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    if one observes it,
    if one is aware of it.
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    Are those reactions
    to be examined one by one?
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    That would take
    an enormous time,
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    perhaps a whole life,
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    and that would be impossible.
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    Or can one perceive
    the totality of it, at one glance?
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    You understand my question?
    Are we thinking together?
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    Or are you merely
    listening to the speaker?
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    Please don’t,
    then it is worthless.
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    Then it has no meaning,
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    you’re merely hearing
    a lot of words and ideas,
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    but if we are thinking together,
    observing together,
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    the whole structure of a human being
    – his existence, his reactions,
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    his pains, his suffering –
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    then we can together
    walk the same path,
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    the same direction,
    the same movement.
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    So, please,
    we are thinking together.
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    You’re not merely
    listening to the speaker,
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    though he may act as a mirror,
    for the time being.
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    That mirror can be broken
    at any time,
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    it’s not worth keeping.
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    The mirror is merely
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    that in which you can see
    what is actually going on.
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    So the question is,
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    the content of our consciousness
    makes up the consciousness.
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    In that consciousness
    are all these things,
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    all the things
    put together by thought,
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    even the ultimate principle,
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    all the gods, all the saviours,
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    is all put there by thought,
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    conditioned by 2,000 years
    of propaganda of Christianity
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    or perhaps 4 or 5,000 years
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    of the propaganda
    and tradition of India.
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    Can we look together
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    at the question,
    say for example, of fear?
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    Or look directly, simply,
    at our relationship with each other.
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    Let’s begin with that,
    because that’s much closer.
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    Wherever one lives one is related,
    it doesn’t matter to what
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    – to nature, to another person.
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    What is that relationship?
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    Not the problems
    that are inherent in relationship,
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    not the problems,
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    but what is relationship?
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    We’re enquiring
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    not into the resolution
    of problems in relationship
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    but rather, enquiring together
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    into the question of what is
    the truth about relationship.
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    Is it merely sensory, sexual?
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    Is it merely a companionship,
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    depending on each other,
    exploiting each other,
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    trying to dominate each other,
    possess each other?
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    Or is it much deeper?
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    Please,
    you’re asking these questions,
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    I’m not the only one asking.
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    So, we have to enquire,
    very closely and deeply,
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    into what is relationship.
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    Because human relationship
    has created this society,
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    the social order or disorder.
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    Our relationship to each other
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    is the outcome,
    is giving birth to society.
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    Society, as it is now, is based on
    aggression, violence, competition,
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    hierarchical structure.
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    Is our relationship similar to that?
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    – greed, envy, jealousy
    and so on.
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    So, first one has to enquire, very
    deeply, into what is relationship.
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    Is it merely a pursuit of pleasure
    or the expression of one’s desire,
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    or is there basically,
    deeply love?
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    Can love exist with desire?
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    Or with pleasure?
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    Or if they exist, love is not.
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    So, one has to go into this
    very carefully,
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    to discover for ourselves,
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    if we are at all aware,
    serious and all that,
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    whether it’s possible
    to live a life
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    in which relationship
    doesn’t become a conflict.
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    We talked about it,
    partially, yesterday.
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    We said our relationship is now
    based on two separate individuals,
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    two parallel lines, like a railway,
    that never meet.
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    Perhaps they meet sexually
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    but otherwise,
    each pursues his own direction.
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    And that relationship
    becomes distorted.
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    In that relationship there is an
    enormous amount of conflict, misery,
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    confusion,
    escaping from that relationship
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    to another kind of relationship.
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    In the new relationship,
    the same thing exists
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    and so we carry on.
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    So, the deep cause of this division
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    is thinking
    that each one is separate.
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    Obviously.
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    I am separate from my wife.
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    I must fulfil in my way,
    and she must fulfil in her way.
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    She must climb the ladder
    of success socially,
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    and I may not want
    to climb the social ladder,
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    I may want to climb
    the ladder of spirituality.
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    So, there is conflict
    between us
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    because each person
    wants his way.
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    Each one is so consumed
    with his own selfish point of view.
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    Is that the deep root cause
    of conflict in our relationship?
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    If it is, is it possible
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    to totally wipe away
    this separate feeling?
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    You are following all this?
    Is that possible?
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    It may be possible
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    if we begin to understand
    the nature of ourselves,
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    the structure of myself.
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    What is myself? You understand?
    We are going into it.
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    What am I?
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    A name, a form
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    – a certain physical structure –
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    apart from that,
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    I am the result
    of thousands of years.
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    Right?
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    My brain has evolved
    through time,
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    accumulating a great deal
    of experience and knowledge,
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    both inherited and acquired
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    genetically, which involves time,
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    and the conditioning
    in which I have been born
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    – Christian, Hindu, Buddhist,
    hot climate, hot food, cold climate,
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    not tasty food and so on, so on.
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    Sorry!
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    Also, the religious conditioning –
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    superstition,
    the worship of symbols,
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    not the actual,
    but the worship of symbols,
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    the image created by thought,
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    by thought or by hand,
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    the beliefs, the dogmas,
    the rituals,
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    you know – all that I am.
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    My education, my ambition,
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    the whole structure of me
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    is not only the influence
    of the environment,
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    the cultural,
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    but also the so-called spiritual,
    religious.
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    And the religious conditioning
    is merely carrying on old tradition
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    of belief, dogma, rituals, repeating
    certain meaningless words,
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    so I’m all that.
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    That is what I am.
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    That’s what each one of us is,
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    in a different environment,
    but basically the same.
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    My brain is operating
    only partially.
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    Please, this is really
    important to understand
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    if you want to go into it, deeply.
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    My brain is functioning partially,
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    because knowledge is partial.
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    Knowledge can never be complete
    about anything,
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    even about the most complex
    technology, it’s not complete,
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    there’s always
    something new taking place.
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    And the accumulated knowledge
    of experience is very limited.
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    So, knowledge always goes
    with ignorance.
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    So, the brain is trained
    in knowledge
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    and continues to live in ignorance
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    – they are both functioning.
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    The brain is functioning partially
    because it’s based on knowledge,
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    and so whatever it does
    must be partial,
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    and therefore its action
    must be partial,
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    and when the action is partial,
    there must be regrets,
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    pain, anxiety, worry, loneliness
    – all that follows.
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    The partial activity of the brain
    has broken up life
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    – business life, religious life,
    family life, spiritual life,
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    technological life – you follow?
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    It has broken it up,
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    because the brain itself is partial,
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    it’s not operating as a whole.
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    Right? Is this somewhat clear
    between us? Right.
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    So, relationship
    when based on thought,
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    which it is now,
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    because it is partial, there is
    division and therefore, conflict.
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    The next question is,
    can the brain function as a whole?
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    Right?
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    Is that possible?
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    Because we have been trained
    for thousands of years
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    to only function partially.
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    And we must understand together
    the partial effects in our life
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    – fear as separate from pleasure,
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    pleasure separate from pain,
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    pain separate from sorrow,
    and so on.
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    Or can we look at the whole movement
    of existence as a whole?
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    I hope we are understanding.
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    May we continue along these lines?
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    We are saying it is possible.
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    It is not a trick,
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    nothing to be learnt
    from the speaker,
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    not a new school to be started
    – a guru and all that nonsense –
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    but one can discover
    this thing for oneself.
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    Therefore,
    you are then free from everybody
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    and don’t depend on anybody.
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    And we are going to go into that.
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    That is, to find out for ourselves
    whether it’s possible,
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    though, for thousands of years,
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    the brain has only
    been active partially,
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    whether it is possible
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    for the brain
    to function as a whole.
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    Then it’ll have
    tremendous energy.
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    Right?
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    Not to do mischief
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    but to live a life
    which is whole, unbroken
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    and therefore,
    a life that is good.
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    Let’s find out if it’s possible.
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    First, let’s take out of the content
    of our consciousness, fear.
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    We talked about relationship,
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    let’s talk together about fear.
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    You may not have fear
    sitting there, now.
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    I hope not.
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    But our background,
    in our daily life,
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    either one is conscious
    of the various factors of fear
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    or one neglects it,
    accepts it, and carries on.
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    That is, one has become
    accustomed to fear
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    and therefore,
    the brain naturally becomes dull.
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    When one becomes accustomed
    to anything, it becomes a routine.
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    It’s not active.
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    Any specialised career,
    though it is partially active,
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    the rest of it is inactive.
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    So, one of the factors of our life
    is fear
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    – so many forms of fear –
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    fear of tremendous loneliness,
    fear of death,
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    fear of darkness,
    fear of a dozen things.
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    But can we look at fear
    as a whole?
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    Not my particular form of fear,
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    my loneliness,
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    but both the hidden
    and obvious fear,
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    can one find out,
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    discover or observe
    the whole movement of fear?
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    Right?
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    Is that possible,
    first of all?
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    Can one observe holistically,
    if I can use that word
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    which science is accepting,
    holistically,
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    can we look at ourselves
    as a whole?
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    Which is, take fear
    and look at it as a whole.
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    That is, the cause of fear.
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    When you discover the cause,
    there is an end to a cause, surely?
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    If I discover that I have cancer,
    which is causing pain,
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    then it can either be eliminated
    or I die.
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    So, one has to discover for oneself,
    not be taught,
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    not learn from somebody,
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    the root of fear.
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    What is the root of fear?
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    Is it time?
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    Time being the past
    meeting the present,
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    and modifying itself
    in the future.
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    The movement from yesterday
    to today and tomorrow
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    – that is time.
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    Is time the root cause of fear?
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    The fear that tomorrow
    I may not exist.
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    Fear of not being successful.
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    Fear of being this
    and wanting that,
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    and the wanting that
    and not being able to achieve that,
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    and so on.
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    So, we are asking
    is fear a matter of time?
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    Just wait, find out.
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    Fear is also
    a movement of thought.
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    Right?
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    I have had pain last week
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    and I might have pain
    again next week
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    – there is the element of time.
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    Thought which says,
    ‘I’ve had pain’, the memory of it,
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    that memory
    continues to next week
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    and says, ‘Be careful, don’t have
    pain again’ – there is fear.
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    So, is the root of fear
    time and thought?
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    Or time is thought?
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    They are not two separate movements,
    time is thought.
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    Are you getting bored
    with all this?
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    It is a nice day,
    you can go out.
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    So, time is movement
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    from last week,
    today and tomorrow.
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    Thought is also a movement
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    born of the knowledge
    of last week’s pain
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    and not wanting it again
    next week.
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    So, time is thought.
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    And so time-thought
    is the root of fear.
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    Not how to stop time
    or thought,
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    but we are observing
    the cause of fear,
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    not what to do
    about the cause.
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    If you act to eliminate the cause
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    – please follow this carefully –
    if you wish to eliminate the cause,
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    then you are still caught in time.
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    You may not be able to do it,
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    then you search or ask
    somebody to help you
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    and you are caught back again.
    You follow all this?
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    Right?
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    That is, sir,
    let me explain again.
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    I want to find out the root of fear,
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    not trim the branches of fear
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    but the very root of fear,
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    the cause of all my fear
    of loneliness, despair,
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    fear of another,
    fear of being hurt.
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    And I’m hurt from childhood,
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    from the other boys, parents,
    school, college.
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    I’m being hurt all the time.
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    The cause of the hurt is
    that I have an image about myself.
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    The image which my parents
    have given me,
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    society has given me,
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    and the image which I have
    built myself, about myself.
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    When I say I am hurt,
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    the image which I’ve created
    for myself, which is me,
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    the image is trampled upon
    and it gets hurt.
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    The consequences of that hurt
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    is to resist,
    build a wall round oneself,
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    becoming more and more lonely,
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    avoiding –
    you know all that business.
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    So, gradually, I withdraw
    with all the neurotic symptoms.
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    So, I want to find out if it is
    possible to eliminate the root of…
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    to first find out the root
    and what to do about the cause.
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    Right?
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    Is my motive to be free of the cause
    because it brings fear?
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    Therefore, I say my motive is
    to be free of it.
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    When there is a motive,
    that very motive becomes the fear.
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    I wonder if you understand this.
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    Are you following?
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    All right.
    You look all puzzled, I’ll explain.
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    I have discovered for myself
    the root of fear – time-thought.
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    That’s the basic cause,
    irrefutable.
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    And my natural instinct
    is to be free of the cause
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    so that I’ll be free from fear.
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    A marvellous thing
    to be free from fear.
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    So, the motive colours the cause.
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    Or the motive directs in what
    direction the cause will dissolve.
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    I wonder if you are following.
    Right? No?
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    Gosh, we need to explain
    every darn thing, isn’t it?
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    What is a motive?
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    The meaning of that word
    is movement.
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    The movement is
    my desire to be free of the cause.
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    My desire which says,
    ‘I must be free of that
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    in order to be free
    from all pain of fear’.
  • 50:08 - 50:10
    What is my desire?
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    What is desire?
    You follow?
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    I started out with fear,
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    by examining
    what is the root of fear,
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    I’ve discovered the root of fear,
    which is thought-time
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    and my motive
    is to be free of it,
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    which is my desire, my will,
    to be free of it.
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    So, I have to enquire
    into what is desire,
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    which says,
    ‘I must be free of it’.
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    The desire itself may be fear,
    desire itself may be the cause.
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    So, I have to examine very closely
    what is desire.
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    We’re doing it together, I’m not
    examining and you just listening
  • 51:01 - 51:06
    – together we are examining,
    exploring, investigating,
  • 51:06 - 51:13
    looking into the nature
    and the movement of desire.
  • 51:15 - 51:16
    What is desire?
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    Is it a sensation?
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    Is it a sensation
    transformed by thought,
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    with the image
    of being free from the cause?
  • 51:45 - 51:47
    You are following this?
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    Is this too much of a thing for you,
    in the morning?
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    That is, I have a sensation,
    the sensation is fear.
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    Right?
    It is a sensation
  • 52:06 - 52:12
    – unpleasant, narrowing,
    ugly thing –
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    and I have found the cause of it,
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    and desire says
    get rid of the cause,
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    because the cause is
    a part of sensation,
  • 52:28 - 52:32
    and desire is also
    part of sensation.
  • 52:33 - 52:34
    Right?
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    And that sensation
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    manifests itself by thought
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    with the image
    of being free from the cause.
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    Right? Is this too much?
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    All right,
    let’s make it much simpler.
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    First, I have a sensation
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    that I must be free
    of the cause of fear.
  • 53:13 - 53:15
    That’s a sensation.
  • 53:16 - 53:22
    The sensation
    which awakens the thought
  • 53:23 - 53:28
    to be free of the cause.
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    That is,
    I see something pleasant,
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    the perception,
    the seeing causing sensation,
  • 53:39 - 53:41
    then contact,
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    then thought creating the image
    me having that blue shirt,
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    or blue dress or whatever it is
  • 53:53 - 53:55
    – you follow? –
    that’s the movement.
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    First perception, sensation,
    contact, touch,
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    then thought says, ‘How nice
    I would look with that blue shirt’
  • 54:09 - 54:11
    or with that pink dress.
  • 54:14 - 54:19
    So, desire is a movement
    of sensation,
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    then thought creating
    the image.
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    From that moment desire is born.
    Is that clear?
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    Then desire itself
    becomes the cause of fear.
  • 54:48 - 54:50
    Right?
    Are you seeing this?
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    I have traced the cause of fear
    to the basic cause.
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    Then desire says,
    ‘I must be free of it’.
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    That desire is
    the image of me being free.
  • 55:10 - 55:14
    That image is going to be hurt.
  • 55:16 - 55:21
    Right? So, I’m back to fear.
    I wonder if you see it?
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    Right?
    Can I go on?
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    So, this is the whole
    movement of fear.
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    Any action the partial brain
    takes with regard to it
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    is still within
    the framework of fear.
  • 55:50 - 55:52
    I wonder if you realise this.
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    That is, to have an insight
    into the nature of fear.
  • 56:04 - 56:08
    That very insight dissolves fear.
  • 56:08 - 56:11
    Then you might ask what is insight?
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    Shall I go on with all this?
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    You are very patient,
    on a hot day.
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    You see, what we are
    trying to find out is
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    whether the whole of the brain
    can operate,
  • 56:35 - 56:39
    not the partial brain.
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    Because if the whole brain
    can operate,
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    the things which the limited brain
    has created, disappear.
  • 56:52 - 56:56
    The part disappears in the whole.
    You understand?
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    So, I have to discover,
    we have to find out
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    whether it is at all possible
    for the whole brain to operate.
  • 57:09 - 57:15
    Then, whatever the part has created
    is dissolved.
  • 57:15 - 57:21
    The part doesn’t exist
    because it’s whole. Right?
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    And insight is
    the action of the whole
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    because it’s not based
    on time,
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    it’s not based on knowledge,
    on remembrance,
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    but instant perception
    of the truth of fear.
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    That is to open up
    the whole brain to act.
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    Am I conveying something
    about this?
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    That is, sir, look,
    we are operating now,
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    our whole action
    is based on knowledge
  • 58:17 - 58:24
    – experience, knowledge,
    memory, thought, action –
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    that’s how we operate
    – experience, knowledge,
  • 58:31 - 58:35
    memory stored in the brain,
    thought, action,
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    and from that action, we learn more
    and repeat the pattern.
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    That is simple enough.
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    This is what is actually
    taking place, all the time.
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    Learning more,
    slowly or quickly,
  • 58:54 - 58:57
    acting,
    and from that action learn more.
  • 58:57 - 59:02
    This is the cycle
    in which thought is operating.
  • 59:04 - 59:07
    In this operation,
    we have all the problems,
  • 59:09 - 59:15
    linguistic, social, religious
    and so on.
  • 59:16 - 59:16
    Right?
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    Insight is not an action
    based on memory,
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    on experience, knowledge,
    memory, thought, action.
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    It is free of all that.
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    Surely, you must have had occasions
    when you see something immediately,
  • 59:51 - 59:53
    instantly understand something,
  • 59:55 - 59:59
    and from that deep understanding
    you act.
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    It has happened to all of us,
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    either partially, as in the case
    of poets, artists, scientists,
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    or with the really religious people,
    the deep, profound religious people,
  • 60:15 - 60:17
    not the orthodox religion,
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    they have a tremendous insight
  • 60:20 - 60:24
    and the clarity of the whole thing
    is made clear.
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    We will go into it,
    as we go along.
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    One of the factors of this
    content of consciousness
  • 60:39 - 60:40
    is the pursuit of pleasure,
  • 60:43 - 60:45
    different from fear.
  • 60:48 - 60:52
    We avoid fear, run away from fear,
  • 60:52 - 60:55
    cover it up and pursue pleasure,
  • 60:57 - 61:00
    sexually,
    in ten different ways
  • 61:00 - 61:04
    – pleasure of reputation,
    pleasure of talking to you –
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    which I haven’t got, thank God!
  • 61:10 - 61:12
    And so on, so on, so on.
  • 61:14 - 61:16
    So, what is pleasure?
  • 61:19 - 61:23
    Why does man cling to pleasure,
    pursue pleasure?
  • 61:24 - 61:26
    From time immemorial,
  • 61:26 - 61:29
    pleasure has been
    one of the principles
  • 61:29 - 61:31
    that man has pursued
  • 61:31 - 61:33
    – in the name of God,
    in the name of peace –
  • 61:34 - 61:36
    – ten different ways.
  • 61:37 - 61:42
    What is pleasure?
    Why this insistence on pleasure,
  • 61:43 - 61:46
    both externally and inwardly?
  • 61:53 - 61:55
    Is pleasure a memory?
  • 62:00 - 62:03
    A remembrance of something
    in the past
  • 62:04 - 62:06
    which gave you a delight,
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    at the moment of perception,
    the delight,
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    then the remembrance of it,
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    and pursuing the remembrance
    not the fact.
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    Right?
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    That is, is pleasure a remembrance?
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    Pleasure as a future.
    Is there pleasure in the future,
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    which is hope, and so on?
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    So, please examine,
    let’s look at it together,
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    this factor that human beings
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    have been pursuing
    for thousands of years,
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    in the name of God,
    in the name of nations,
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    every form of pleasure,
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    why have we pursued pleasure?
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    Always avoiding fear
    and pursuing this.
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    Or are they both
    related to each other?
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    What is pleasure?
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    You look at a sunset,
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    with all the glory of a sunset,
    the beauty of it, the radiance,
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    the extraordinary light
    on the clouds,
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    at that moment,
    you have forgotten yourself
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    and you are looking
    at this sunset.
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    It is recorded,
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    that delight,
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    and you pursue the record,
    not the actuality of the sunset.
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    Right?
    This is what happens.
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    You may have had sexual pleasure,
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    then the remembrance of it
    and the pursuit of it
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    – or different forms of pleasure,
    I won’t go into all that.
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    It’s fairly simple.
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    So, is pleasure a remembrance?
    Is pleasure a thought?
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    Is pleasure time?
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    Of course, it is.
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    So, thought-time is the movement
    of fear as well as pleasure.
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    I wish you would see this.
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    Not from me,
    see it for yourself,
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    you’ll see the extraordinary
    reality of it,
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    that thought and time have
    been the factors of pleasure,
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    pain and fear.
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    Is love thought and time?
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    Now we have associated love
    with pleasure,
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    with all the problems
    involved in it
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    – jealousy, anxiety, possessiveness,
    dependency, all that.
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    So, one has to understand, go into
    this whole question of what is love.
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    One can go into it verbally
    but the word is not the fact,
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    the feeling, the depth of it,
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    the beauty of it,
    the vitality of it.
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    So, if love is not desire
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    and is not pleasure,
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    then what is it?
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    Does it come into being
    only when the self is not?
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    The self is time and thought.
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    I wonder
    if you’re following all this.
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    ‘Me’ is time and thought,
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    and as long as that exists
    the other cannot possibly exist.
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    Love cannot exist
    with selfishness.
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    Selfishness may take
    different forms,
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    cover it all up with kid gloves
    and roseate colour,
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    but it is still selfishness.
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    That is, the ‘me’ and the ‘you’.
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    As long as that element
    exists in one’s heart,
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    obviously, the other cannot exist.
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    You may talk about the love of God,
    the love of Jesus, love of Buddha,
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    but that’s just empty words.
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    So, is love the awakening
    of the whole of the brain?
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    You understand?
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    We have been
    carefully going into this.
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    We started out with relationship,
    the various forms of hurts,
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    the image about oneself.
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    That image gets hurt, flattered
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    and so relationship
    always remains separate,
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    two railway lines never meeting.
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    And fear is time-thought,
    as pleasure.
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    Is love time-thought,
    a remembrance?
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    Time-thought has put together
    the whole structure of myself,
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    psychologically,
    as well as genetically.
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    Where that structure as the self
    exists,
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    love cannot possibly exist,
    obviously.
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    Then one might ask,
    what am I to do?
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    I see this fact.
    I logically agree.
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    I see the sanity
    of what you’re saying
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    but I’m still terribly self-centred
  • 69:23 - 69:25
    and I still love my wife.
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    So, what am I to do?
    Right?
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    That’s the obvious,
    rather limited question.
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    When you put that question,
    what am I to do,
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    what is the reason of that question,
  • 69:55 - 69:56
    the cause of it?
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    Either you’re asking somebody else
    to tell you what to do,
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    of course, there are thousands of
    people who will help you what to do,
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    or you are asking that question
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    to find out what not to do.
  • 70:27 - 70:28
    You understand?
  • 70:33 - 70:36
    If you ask what to do,
    it’s simple enough, they’ll tell you
  • 70:37 - 70:42
    – meditate, sit like this, breathe
    like that, levitate, pay so much –
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    and all the rest of it.
  • 70:49 - 70:52
    But you see,
    if you ask, ‘What am I…?’
  • 70:53 - 70:58
    One realises that whatever you do,
    is still selfish.
  • 70:59 - 71:01
    Right?
    You understand?
  • 71:03 - 71:05
    If I say,
    ‘I must get rid of myself’,
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    it’s still the movement of the self.
  • 71:10 - 71:15
    If you realise that,
    then you don’t do a thing.
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    That is total negation of action.
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    What is total negation of action,
    is action. You understand?
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    I wonder if you see that.
    Right.
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J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1981 - Public Talk 2 - Looking at the whole content of...
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