How does God forgive us? - Sikh Retreat 2016 - Q&A#2

how do we ask guruji to tear up our bwa

of the badam we do in this

lifetime um and then they've already

um given some answers but with the

answers they've got a question mark So

asking like could be could this be the

way and then so the asked repent is that

one of the ways sa siman and then I've

got another question that go goes

alongside that um somebody saying that

does

babaj forgive those who make

mistakes even if we still make them okay

so I think these two mistake uh mistakes

these two questions kind of work

together right so just looking at like

how does Guru Sai forgive us and um

if we try and understand this from the

perspective of gbani to start with which

so throughout what we all the um answers

that we will give we will try our best

to use the support of gurbani Cu none

this is obviously a SE secret treat so

we shouldn't be really giving you our

our own opinion of what my M what my

intellect thinks that should be um the

answer to these so we're going to give

be giving you a GMAT perspective from

gbani so what does gur say about

forgiveness if you look at when Guru sa

is talking about Guru Arjun G and in one

punti about Guru Arjun it said

that

aruru and where it's talking about that

Guru Arjun G is the boat for us to get

across and how does this boat work and

this is that

umuru s and this boat is open for the

whole world so if we look at now in

today's world whether it be a ship

whether it be an an aerplane and

somebody's going to travel there's

always restrictions on there and but on

this boat to be to get across this world

ocean that is full of attachments for us

to be saved with within this boat

there's not those type of restrictions

that we will see in an um in a regular

um form of transportation today so to

everyone knows here like you know

obviously if you're going to be

traveling by flight there's a

restriction to how much weight you can

take with you and everyone gets into a

bit of a banga when they're coming back

from India cuz there normally few too

many suits and stuff you know to come

back and then there's a

panic and then it's then it's always the

issue of you know

um and all that kind of stuff but so

even then you can go over so much you

could probably pay them so much but

still they're going to cap it off at

some point and then just going to go

that's it no more so there's a

restriction of how much weight you can

take on that plane as well and then

there's a restriction to how many people

can get onto that plane as well but if

you look at what G just created they're

saying

that that the whole world can get onto

this boat of Guru arj and get across

this world so how does that work with

this whole sin thing number one it

doesn't matter what form and what extent

of sin we come with to Guru Saj Guru sa

is going to not ever going to say to us

that you've come with too much luggage

you've come with too much baggage too

much rate sorry no space for you this

always going to be space for us to

attach ourself to Guru G and to be saved

and to get across so it doesn't gurus is

not going to say you know what you've

done too many you've made too many

mistakes in this lifetime or in your

last lifetimes sorry no space for you or

Guru arjin devj is never going to say to

us when I say Guru arjin Dej referring

to gurab so gurus sa is never going to

say to us that one particular sin was

too big for you to be saved and I'm not

letting you on I'm not going to save you

I'm not going to forgive

you so they're saying this is open to

everyone in GB I think it was today or

yesterday in one of the H in um it came

up the word g came up and the word gilic

is basically according to the vids it's

four type of bar sins that are done that

cannot be forgiven accordingly to the

vids and those four bars I can probably

remember a couple from the top of my

head

that's that's if somebody's actually

killed a bramman um if somebody's slept

with ab's wife and I can't remember the

other two so oh go there you go so if

somebody's killed a cow can you remember

the fourth one oh there you go three is

pretty good so there's four bars

according to the wordss that cannot be

forgiven forgiven in which way though

they cannot that you can't do any act

there's no P you can do there's no deed

you can do to override you have to go

through youram so whatever the reaction

is from that you have to live um go it

can't be taken away but Guru sa said

that

in remembrance

of doesn't matter how many k you've done

as well those that the vi say that

cannot be forgiven but Guru says yes

they can so first of all the first thing

to understand to doesn't matter to what

extent somebody's done something and it

doesn't matter how much somebody has

done something of there's still space to

be saved Guru saying and then how do we

be

saved this now works with the question

alongside saying like if we continue to

make that

mistake

says they said just like an innocent

child is committing millions of sins and

faults and messing things up all the

time and we can become we are like those

innocent children at times meaning we

live in ignorance we might be blind or

we might know that that what we're doing

isn't right but we have no power over

what we're doing because we're just so

lost in the worldly way or we're just

not in control of our senses or of

our in any formal way so we just it it's

almost like we've become

helpless so how does it work so Guru Sai

recognizes somebody might be in in that

state then this says that but but what

does gur do this sayses

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and then what is saying that once the

guru gives you then a teaching and

thenes

Guru you might even get scolded you

might even get shouted at for doing what

you've been doing

but the guru will still embrace you and

say I'll take you in and this is what

they'll do

is I'll forgive what you've done in the

past

this is but there's a condition now the

condition

is but now you've got a vision and

you're going to make an effort in not

doing that again now so it doesn't mean

that you make a game out of it so this

whole sense of forgiveness it's not that

you're forgiven by doing a particular sa

it's not that you're forgiven because

you do a particular act it's because

you've surrendered and you say to the

guru I fall at your feet and I've lost

and I need you now and the guru says

I'll take you in but now I want you

least to have the intention that you're

going to make an effort to walk on that

straight path now I'm going to help you

the guru will say and the help comes

from Collective sadut having that

support from each other that's why we

say and I say this wherever I go and

I'll always say in my talks that we

should always be iously asking for like

for the support

that that we get the support from the

sad collectively that are going to help

us not to not to keep falling so it's

about Our intention if we with a Pure

Heart full and actually have no

intention to do that and we want we

truly want help to break away from the

sins that we're doing and we've got that

Clear Vision that I don't want to do

that anymore and we make it relevant an

effort and go according to the guru's

teaching then yes there's that element

of forgiveness and that forgiveness

comes from surrendering and from begging

the guru for showing us the path forward

and then and then Guru will show us the

path forward it doesn't mean that if you

make that mistake again that there's no

chance for you and you won't be forgiven

again so you come to the God for example

on a Sunday and you say to Guru sa you

know what I've been terrible to my wife

I've been swearing at her like any thing

been bullying her been horrible to her

but you know what I want you to forgive

me and you think because all right this

is how it works cuz he forgives me for

everything but in the back of your mind

you've got no intention of changing cuz

you're just there to get come and clean

your slate and then you go back home no

intention to

change gang everything again the whole

week come back next Sunday and say you

know what I'm here for just want that

clean for myself it doesn't quite work

like that so I'm sure everybody gets the

gist

vururu

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