Shekhar Kapur with Sadhguru - On Love

Shekhar: yesterday,

I went through this amazing experience with
you

it was a collective experience

and then I saw your relationship

with the meditators who were the volunteers
in this incredible course that we did

and

there was something that connected you...now

I've heard stories about this. I've heard that as
Jesus walked in, he spread his love

and we always wondered,

how could you just spread love. I saw that yesterday,

but I saw

tears in their eyes

we could explain that

but I saw tears in your eyes

because I saw a two-way relationship

so let's just keep with this idea of a
Guru and tell me, what is this two-way because

I saw you

like a devotee, you know
you were like them

when you were talking...when you went to them

it was not just their emotion, it was yours

Sadhguru: See,

here...

you're using the word devotee

I don't know whether they are devoted or
not

my life is devoted to them

Okay. That's for sure.

my whole life is devoted to every human
being on this planet, every creature on this planet

so

devotion is just a deeper love affair

when I say a deeper love affair

generally

these days atleast, people are understanding
a love affair is some kind of a transaction of

give and take

devotion is a deeper love affair of
just absolutely giving

whether take is there or not just doesn't matter
and it doesn't occur in your mind

so for me my love affair

is just with everything that I set my eyes upon

whether it's a man, woman, child, animate,
inanimate, it doesn't matter

whatever I set my eyes upon

I'm in a

deep embrace with that

so for me to come to tears, I don't even have
to look at a human being, if I look at a cloud

I'll come to tears, if I look at a tree I come to tears.

If I close my eyes,
I'll come to tears

so tears

is not even about love

if you tell me I'm in love with people

I wouldn't feel

that's a great thing. I feel you're lowering
the whole thing. I'm not in love

because love is still a kind of a transaction

this is a certain dimension of inclusiveness

actually in my experience

there is

nobody else in this planet

nobody else in this existence. It's just me.

In my experience

I don't see myself and somebody else. I just
see myself

so

this is not even devotion, this is not even love

this is just inclusiveness

and this is not my idea

this is not my philosophy,
this is the way existence is

if you do not constipate your consciousness

by being identified with limited things

like your own body, your own mind, your own culture, your own religion,

your own family, your own
whatever, your own species for that matter,

if you do not constipate your consciousness
with that kind of limitations

the existence is all inclusive

well science can prove it to you today,
isn't it?

Shekar: the moment people see you even from a distance

there's a sudden outpouring of love

complete outpouring of love

so let's talk about love. This is one kind of
a love.

Is there...

what happens...is there something, is it a release, that could be one thing because they see you

and

their own stresses and emotions release. On the other hand

is there some kind of energy that you're
transmitting to them

is that energy possible only in a
loving relationship

even between you and the people or between people themselves

what is that energy called love?

and then let's relate it to man and woman because that's the love most of us know

love or hate whichever way you like it
but let's talk about love

Sadhguru: There is no such thing as

an energy that is love

life is a certain energy

you are a certain life energy

the are many parts of...

this life energy

is finding expression as thought,

as body, physical action

emotion

and there are other dimensions of course,
energy action.

if you can perform

only physical activity in your life

the span and the scope of that
activity is very limited

Because you empower your physical activity
with your mental activity

depending upon the keeness and the intensity of your mental activity, your physical activity takes

on a different level of...

as if it moves into a different dimension, because

of the mental activity.

if you make a movie

if it's all physical

it's one way.

There is a certain intellect involved in it,
it's another way

There's a certain emotion involved in it,
it's another way, isn't it so?

so that's so with life also

so these are different levels of intensity. Physical is at one level of intensity

intellectual is another level of intensity,
emotion is a different level of intensity

generally people are looking down upon
emotion as something less than intellect

which is a very wrong thing they are doing

which I think, slowly people are realizing,
they're talking about

emotional intelligence now.

because

emotion is capable of being of a higher intensity

than intellect in many ways.

intellect has a certain coolness

intellect has a certain penetration

but emotion

can just embrace everything

intellect can know pieces of life

emotion can know the wholeness of life

so, this is the reason why, spiritual traditions
always, have made devotion the biggest thing

because a devotee looks like a fool
to an intellectual person

but what a devotee knows

in terms of life's experience

and what he knows in terms of perception

of life

in its totality

an intellectual person will never touch that.

so a devotee looks like a fool

but the real fool is elsewhere.

So right now what's happening here when
people are around me

is neither intellect nor emotion nor body.

It's another dimension

which is just pure

reverberation of energy.

If I reverberate in a certain way

some people will roll their eyeballs upward
and simply sit there

some people will cry

some people will laugh

some people feel

that they realized so many things
being there in that space.

This is their expression of it. This is like

if I give you electric connection

somebody makes light out of it

somebody makes sound out of it

somebody makes coolness out of it, somebody makes heat out of it

Different gadgets are making different things
out of the same electricity

so my thing is just to exude

that energy

somebody makes love out of it, somebody makes

alertness out of it,
somebody makes awareness out of it

somebody makes meditativeness out of it

that's left to that individual depending
upon

his level of evolution and his
receptivity as to how he is.

So am I creating a love energy.

There's no such thing as love energy,
there's just life energy.

There is only life energy.

you can...

love is just one expression of life

intellect is another expression of life

physical action another expression of life;
awareness another expression of life

so life can find

million forms of expression

but

people eulogising one over the other

is a huge mistake

all of them are needed

love

without the needed awareness and balance
is going to be

horribly burdensome

isn't it?

so what you're referring to as love

is basically

the sweetness of your emotion

you sit here

and you could feel about love

you could feel love about somebody
who is not even here

so it's got nothing to do with anybody

once a human being becomes more and more aware of his own nature

he understands

to experience love

to experience blissfulness

to experience ecstasy, even to experience
orgasmic ways of life

you don't need anybody actually

if you just sit here

you can make it happen within yourself

because after all it's your body

it's your mind, it's your emotion,
it's your chemistry

and you are the one

who is creating all the experiences of your life

because people are not conscious of this

that you are the maker of your life

you are the one who is doing
your life the way you want it

most people still believe that their experiences are being shaped by people and situations

around them

but that's not true

human experiences are

one hundred percent

self created. One hundred percent.