Our buggy moral code
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0:01 - 0:03I want to talk to you today a little bit
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0:03 - 0:06about predictable irrationality.
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0:06 - 0:10And my interest in irrational behavior
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0:10 - 0:13started many years ago in the hospital.
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0:13 - 0:17I was burned very badly.
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0:17 - 0:20And if you spend a lot of time in hospital,
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0:20 - 0:23you'll see a lot of types of irrationalities.
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0:23 - 0:28And the one that particularly bothered me in the burn department
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0:28 - 0:32was the process by which the nurses took the bandage off me.
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0:33 - 0:35Now, you must have all taken a Band-Aid off at some point,
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0:35 - 0:38and you must have wondered what's the right approach.
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0:38 - 0:42Do you rip it off quickly -- short duration but high intensity --
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0:42 - 0:44or do you take your Band-Aid off slowly --
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0:44 - 0:48you take a long time, but each second is not as painful --
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0:48 - 0:51which one of those is the right approach?
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0:51 - 0:55The nurses in my department thought that the right approach
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0:55 - 0:58was the ripping one, so they would grab hold and they would rip,
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0:58 - 1:00and they would grab hold and they would rip.
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1:00 - 1:04And because I had 70 percent of my body burned, it would take about an hour.
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1:04 - 1:07And as you can imagine,
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1:07 - 1:11I hated that moment of ripping with incredible intensity.
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1:11 - 1:13And I would try to reason with them and say,
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1:13 - 1:14"Why don't we try something else?
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1:14 - 1:16Why don't we take it a little longer --
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1:16 - 1:21maybe two hours instead of an hour -- and have less of this intensity?"
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1:21 - 1:23And the nurses told me two things.
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1:23 - 1:27They told me that they had the right model of the patient --
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1:27 - 1:30that they knew what was the right thing to do to minimize my pain --
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1:30 - 1:33and they also told me that the word patient doesn't mean
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1:33 - 1:35to make suggestions or to interfere or ...
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1:35 - 1:38This is not just in Hebrew, by the way.
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1:38 - 1:41It's in every language I've had experience with so far.
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1:41 - 1:45And, you know, there's not much -- there wasn't much I could do,
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1:45 - 1:48and they kept on doing what they were doing.
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1:48 - 1:50And about three years later, when I left the hospital,
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1:50 - 1:53I started studying at the university.
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1:53 - 1:56And one of the most interesting lessons I learned
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1:56 - 1:58was that there is an experimental method
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1:58 - 2:02that if you have a question you can create a replica of this question
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2:02 - 2:06in some abstract way, and you can try to examine this question,
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2:06 - 2:08maybe learn something about the world.
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2:08 - 2:10So that's what I did.
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2:10 - 2:11I was still interested
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2:11 - 2:13in this question of how do you take bandages off burn patients.
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2:13 - 2:16So originally I didn't have much money,
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2:16 - 2:20so I went to a hardware store and I bought a carpenter's vice.
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2:20 - 2:24And I would bring people to the lab and I would put their finger in it,
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2:24 - 2:26and I would crunch it a little bit.
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2:26 - 2:28(Laughter)
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2:28 - 2:31And I would crunch it for long periods and short periods,
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2:31 - 2:33and pain that went up and pain that went down,
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2:33 - 2:37and with breaks and without breaks -- all kinds of versions of pain.
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2:37 - 2:39And when I finished hurting people a little bit, I would ask them,
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2:39 - 2:41so, how painful was this? Or, how painful was this?
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2:41 - 2:43Or, if you had to choose between the last two,
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2:43 - 2:45which one would you choose?
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2:45 - 2:48(Laughter)
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2:48 - 2:51I kept on doing this for a while.
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2:51 - 2:53(Laughter)
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2:53 - 2:57And then, like all good academic projects, I got more funding.
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2:57 - 2:59I moved to sounds, electrical shocks --
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2:59 - 3:04I even had a pain suit that I could get people to feel much more pain.
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3:04 - 3:08But at the end of this process,
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3:08 - 3:11what I learned was that the nurses were wrong.
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3:11 - 3:14Here were wonderful people with good intentions
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3:14 - 3:16and plenty of experience, and nevertheless
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3:16 - 3:20they were getting things wrong predictably all the time.
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3:20 - 3:23It turns out that because we don't encode duration
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3:23 - 3:25in the way that we encode intensity,
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3:25 - 3:29I would have had less pain if the duration would have been longer
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3:29 - 3:31and the intensity was lower.
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3:31 - 3:34It turns out it would have been better to start with my face,
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3:34 - 3:36which was much more painful, and move toward my legs,
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3:36 - 3:39giving me a trend of improvement over time --
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3:39 - 3:40that would have been also less painful.
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3:40 - 3:42And it also turns out that it would have been good
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3:42 - 3:44to give me breaks in the middle to kind of recuperate from the pain.
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3:44 - 3:46All of these would have been great things to do,
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3:46 - 3:49and my nurses had no idea.
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3:49 - 3:50And from that point on I started thinking,
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3:50 - 3:53are the nurses the only people in the world who get things wrong
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3:53 - 3:56in this particular decision, or is it a more general case?
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3:56 - 3:58And it turns out it's a more general case --
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3:58 - 4:01there's a lot of mistakes we do.
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4:01 - 4:06And I want to give you one example of one of these irrationalities,
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4:06 - 4:09and I want to talk to you about cheating.
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4:09 - 4:11And the reason I picked cheating is because it's interesting,
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4:11 - 4:13but also it tells us something, I think,
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4:13 - 4:16about the stock market situation we're in.
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4:16 - 4:19So, my interest in cheating started
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4:19 - 4:21when Enron came on the scene, exploded all of a sudden,
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4:21 - 4:24and I started thinking about what is happening here.
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4:24 - 4:25Is it the case that there was kind of
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4:25 - 4:28a few apples who are capable of doing these things,
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4:28 - 4:30or are we talking a more endemic situation,
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4:30 - 4:34that many people are actually capable of behaving this way?
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4:34 - 4:38So, like we usually do, I decided to do a simple experiment.
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4:38 - 4:39And here's how it went.
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4:39 - 4:42If you were in the experiment, I would pass you a sheet of paper
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4:42 - 4:46with 20 simple math problems that everybody could solve,
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4:46 - 4:48but I wouldn't give you enough time.
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4:48 - 4:50When the five minutes were over, I would say,
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4:50 - 4:53"Pass me the sheets of paper, and I'll pay you a dollar per question."
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4:53 - 4:57People did this. I would pay people four dollars for their task --
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4:57 - 4:59on average people would solve four problems.
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4:59 - 5:02Other people I would tempt to cheat.
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5:02 - 5:03I would pass their sheet of paper.
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5:03 - 5:05When the five minutes were over, I would say,
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5:05 - 5:06"Please shred the piece of paper.
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5:06 - 5:09Put the little pieces in your pocket or in your backpack,
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5:09 - 5:12and tell me how many questions you got correctly."
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5:12 - 5:15People now solved seven questions on average.
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5:15 - 5:20Now, it wasn't as if there was a few bad apples --
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5:20 - 5:23a few people cheated a lot.
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5:23 - 5:26Instead, what we saw is a lot of people who cheat a little bit.
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5:26 - 5:29Now, in economic theory,
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5:29 - 5:32cheating is a very simple cost-benefit analysis.
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5:32 - 5:34You say, what's the probability of being caught?
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5:34 - 5:37How much do I stand to gain from cheating?
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5:37 - 5:39And how much punishment would I get if I get caught?
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5:39 - 5:41And you weigh these options out --
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5:41 - 5:43you do the simple cost-benefit analysis,
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5:43 - 5:46and you decide whether it's worthwhile to commit the crime or not.
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5:46 - 5:48So, we try to test this.
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5:48 - 5:52For some people, we varied how much money they could get away with --
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5:52 - 5:53how much money they could steal.
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5:53 - 5:56We paid them 10 cents per correct question, 50 cents,
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5:56 - 5:59a dollar, five dollars, 10 dollars per correct question.
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5:59 - 6:03You would expect that as the amount of money on the table increases,
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6:03 - 6:06people would cheat more, but in fact it wasn't the case.
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6:06 - 6:09We got a lot of people cheating by stealing by a little bit.
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6:09 - 6:12What about the probability of being caught?
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6:12 - 6:14Some people shredded half the sheet of paper,
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6:14 - 6:15so there was some evidence left.
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6:15 - 6:17Some people shredded the whole sheet of paper.
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6:17 - 6:20Some people shredded everything, went out of the room,
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6:20 - 6:23and paid themselves from the bowl of money that had over 100 dollars.
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6:23 - 6:26You would expect that as the probability of being caught goes down,
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6:26 - 6:29people would cheat more, but again, this was not the case.
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6:29 - 6:32Again, a lot of people cheated by just by a little bit,
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6:32 - 6:35and they were insensitive to these economic incentives.
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6:35 - 6:36So we said, "If people are not sensitive
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6:36 - 6:41to the economic rational theory explanations, to these forces,
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6:41 - 6:44what could be going on?"
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6:44 - 6:47And we thought maybe what is happening is that there are two forces.
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6:47 - 6:49At one hand, we all want to look at ourselves in the mirror
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6:49 - 6:52and feel good about ourselves, so we don't want to cheat.
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6:52 - 6:54On the other hand, we can cheat a little bit,
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6:54 - 6:56and still feel good about ourselves.
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6:56 - 6:57So, maybe what is happening is that
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6:57 - 6:59there's a level of cheating we can't go over,
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6:59 - 7:03but we can still benefit from cheating at a low degree,
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7:03 - 7:06as long as it doesn't change our impressions about ourselves.
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7:06 - 7:09We call this like a personal fudge factor.
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7:10 - 7:14Now, how would you test a personal fudge factor?
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7:14 - 7:18Initially we said, what can we do to shrink the fudge factor?
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7:18 - 7:20So, we got people to the lab, and we said,
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7:20 - 7:22"We have two tasks for you today."
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7:22 - 7:23First, we asked half the people
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7:23 - 7:25to recall either 10 books they read in high school,
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7:25 - 7:28or to recall The Ten Commandments,
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7:28 - 7:30and then we tempted them with cheating.
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7:30 - 7:33Turns out the people who tried to recall The Ten Commandments --
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7:33 - 7:35and in our sample nobody could recall all of The Ten Commandments --
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7:36 - 7:40but those people who tried to recall The Ten Commandments,
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7:40 - 7:43given the opportunity to cheat, did not cheat at all.
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7:43 - 7:45It wasn't that the more religious people --
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7:45 - 7:46the people who remembered more of the Commandments -- cheated less,
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7:46 - 7:48and the less religious people --
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7:48 - 7:49the people who couldn't remember almost any Commandments --
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7:49 - 7:51cheated more.
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7:51 - 7:55The moment people thought about trying to recall The Ten Commandments,
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7:55 - 7:56they stopped cheating.
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7:56 - 7:58In fact, even when we gave self-declared atheists
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7:58 - 8:02the task of swearing on the Bible and we give them a chance to cheat,
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8:02 - 8:04they don't cheat at all.
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8:06 - 8:08Now, Ten Commandments is something that is hard
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8:08 - 8:10to bring into the education system, so we said,
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8:10 - 8:12"Why don't we get people to sign the honor code?"
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8:12 - 8:14So, we got people to sign,
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8:14 - 8:18"I understand that this short survey falls under the MIT Honor Code."
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8:18 - 8:21Then they shredded it. No cheating whatsoever.
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8:21 - 8:22And this is particularly interesting,
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8:22 - 8:24because MIT doesn't have an honor code.
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8:24 - 8:29(Laughter)
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8:29 - 8:33So, all this was about decreasing the fudge factor.
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8:33 - 8:36What about increasing the fudge factor?
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8:36 - 8:38The first experiment -- I walked around MIT
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8:38 - 8:41and I distributed six-packs of Cokes in the refrigerators --
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8:41 - 8:43these were common refrigerators for the undergrads.
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8:43 - 8:46And I came back to measure what we technically call
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8:46 - 8:50the half-lifetime of Coke -- how long does it last in the refrigerators?
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8:50 - 8:53As you can expect it doesn't last very long; people take it.
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8:53 - 8:57In contrast, I took a plate with six one-dollar bills,
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8:57 - 9:00and I left those plates in the same refrigerators.
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9:00 - 9:01No bill ever disappeared.
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9:01 - 9:04Now, this is not a good social science experiment,
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9:04 - 9:07so to do it better I did the same experiment
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9:07 - 9:09as I described to you before.
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9:09 - 9:12A third of the people we passed the sheet, they gave it back to us.
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9:12 - 9:15A third of the people we passed it to, they shredded it,
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9:15 - 9:16they came to us and said,
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9:16 - 9:19"Mr. Experimenter, I solved X problems. Give me X dollars."
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9:19 - 9:22A third of the people, when they finished shredding the piece of paper,
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9:22 - 9:24they came to us and said,
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9:24 - 9:30"Mr Experimenter, I solved X problems. Give me X tokens."
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9:30 - 9:33We did not pay them with dollars; we paid them with something else.
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9:33 - 9:36And then they took the something else, they walked 12 feet to the side,
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9:36 - 9:38and exchanged it for dollars.
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9:38 - 9:40Think about the following intuition.
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9:40 - 9:43How bad would you feel about taking a pencil from work home,
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9:43 - 9:45compared to how bad would you feel
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9:45 - 9:47about taking 10 cents from a petty cash box?
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9:47 - 9:50These things feel very differently.
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9:50 - 9:53Would being a step removed from cash for a few seconds
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9:53 - 9:56by being paid by token make a difference?
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9:56 - 9:58Our subjects doubled their cheating.
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9:58 - 10:00I'll tell you what I think
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10:00 - 10:02about this and the stock market in a minute.
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10:03 - 10:07But this did not solve the big problem I had with Enron yet,
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10:07 - 10:10because in Enron, there's also a social element.
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10:10 - 10:11People see each other behaving.
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10:11 - 10:13In fact, every day when we open the news
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10:13 - 10:15we see examples of people cheating.
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10:15 - 10:18What does this cause us?
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10:18 - 10:19So, we did another experiment.
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10:19 - 10:22We got a big group of students to be in the experiment,
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10:22 - 10:23and we prepaid them.
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10:23 - 10:26So everybody got an envelope with all the money for the experiment,
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10:26 - 10:28and we told them that at the end, we asked them
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10:28 - 10:32to pay us back the money they didn't make. OK?
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10:32 - 10:33The same thing happens.
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10:33 - 10:35When we give people the opportunity to cheat, they cheat.
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10:35 - 10:38They cheat just by a little bit, all the same.
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10:38 - 10:41But in this experiment we also hired an acting student.
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10:41 - 10:45This acting student stood up after 30 seconds, and said,
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10:45 - 10:48"I solved everything. What do I do now?"
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10:48 - 10:52And the experimenter said, "If you've finished everything, go home.
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10:52 - 10:53That's it. The task is finished."
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10:53 - 10:57So, now we had a student -- an acting student --
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10:57 - 10:59that was a part of the group.
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10:59 - 11:01Nobody knew it was an actor.
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11:01 - 11:05And they clearly cheated in a very, very serious way.
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11:05 - 11:08What would happen to the other people in the group?
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11:08 - 11:11Will they cheat more, or will they cheat less?
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11:11 - 11:13Here is what happens.
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11:13 - 11:17It turns out it depends on what kind of sweatshirt they're wearing.
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11:17 - 11:19Here is the thing.
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11:19 - 11:22We ran this at Carnegie Mellon and Pittsburgh.
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11:22 - 11:24And at Pittsburgh there are two big universities,
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11:24 - 11:27Carnegie Mellon and University of Pittsburgh.
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11:27 - 11:29All of the subjects sitting in the experiment
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11:29 - 11:31were Carnegie Mellon students.
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11:31 - 11:35When the actor who was getting up was a Carnegie Mellon student --
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11:35 - 11:37he was actually a Carnegie Mellon student --
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11:37 - 11:41but he was a part of their group, cheating went up.
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11:41 - 11:45But when he actually had a University of Pittsburgh sweatshirt,
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11:45 - 11:47cheating went down.
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11:47 - 11:50(Laughter)
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11:50 - 11:53Now, this is important, because remember,
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11:53 - 11:55when the moment the student stood up,
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11:55 - 11:58it made it clear to everybody that they could get away with cheating,
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11:58 - 12:00because the experimenter said,
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12:00 - 12:02"You've finished everything. Go home," and they went with the money.
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12:02 - 12:05So it wasn't so much about the probability of being caught again.
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12:05 - 12:08It was about the norms for cheating.
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12:08 - 12:11If somebody from our in-group cheats and we see them cheating,
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12:11 - 12:15we feel it's more appropriate, as a group, to behave this way.
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12:15 - 12:17But if it's somebody from another group, these terrible people --
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12:17 - 12:19I mean, not terrible in this --
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12:19 - 12:21but somebody we don't want to associate ourselves with,
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12:21 - 12:23from another university, another group,
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12:23 - 12:26all of a sudden people's awareness of honesty goes up --
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12:26 - 12:28a little bit like The Ten Commandments experiment --
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12:28 - 12:32and people cheat even less.
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12:32 - 12:36So, what have we learned from this about cheating?
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12:36 - 12:39We've learned that a lot of people can cheat.
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12:39 - 12:42They cheat just by a little bit.
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12:42 - 12:46When we remind people about their morality, they cheat less.
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12:46 - 12:49When we get bigger distance from cheating,
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12:49 - 12:53from the object of money, for example, people cheat more.
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12:53 - 12:55And when we see cheating around us,
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12:55 - 12:59particularly if it's a part of our in-group, cheating goes up.
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12:59 - 13:02Now, if we think about this in terms of the stock market,
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13:02 - 13:03think about what happens.
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13:03 - 13:06What happens in a situation when you create something
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13:06 - 13:08where you pay people a lot of money
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13:08 - 13:11to see reality in a slightly distorted way?
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13:11 - 13:14Would they not be able to see it this way?
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13:14 - 13:15Of course they would.
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13:15 - 13:16What happens when you do other things,
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13:16 - 13:18like you remove things from money?
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13:18 - 13:21You call them stock, or stock options, derivatives,
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13:21 - 13:22mortgage-backed securities.
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13:22 - 13:25Could it be that with those more distant things,
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13:25 - 13:27it's not a token for one second,
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13:27 - 13:29it's something that is many steps removed from money
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13:29 - 13:33for a much longer time -- could it be that people will cheat even more?
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13:33 - 13:35And what happens to the social environment
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13:35 - 13:38when people see other people behave around them?
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13:38 - 13:42I think all of those forces worked in a very bad way
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13:42 - 13:44in the stock market.
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13:44 - 13:47More generally, I want to tell you something
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13:47 - 13:50about behavioral economics.
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13:50 - 13:54We have many intuitions in our life,
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13:54 - 13:57and the point is that many of these intuitions are wrong.
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13:57 - 14:00The question is, are we going to test those intuitions?
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14:00 - 14:02We can think about how we're going to test this intuition
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14:02 - 14:04in our private life, in our business life,
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14:04 - 14:07and most particularly when it goes to policy,
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14:07 - 14:10when we think about things like No Child Left Behind,
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14:10 - 14:13when you create new stock markets, when you create other policies --
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14:13 - 14:16taxation, health care and so on.
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14:16 - 14:18And the difficulty of testing our intuition
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14:18 - 14:20was the big lesson I learned
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14:20 - 14:22when I went back to the nurses to talk to them.
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14:22 - 14:24So I went back to talk to them
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14:24 - 14:27and tell them what I found out about removing bandages.
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14:27 - 14:29And I learned two interesting things.
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14:29 - 14:31One was that my favorite nurse, Ettie,
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14:31 - 14:35told me that I did not take her pain into consideration.
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14:35 - 14:37She said, "Of course, you know, it was very painful for you.
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14:37 - 14:39But think about me as a nurse,
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14:39 - 14:41taking, removing the bandages of somebody I liked,
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14:41 - 14:44and had to do it repeatedly over a long period of time.
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14:44 - 14:47Creating so much torture was not something that was good for me, too."
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14:47 - 14:52And she said maybe part of the reason was it was difficult for her.
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14:52 - 14:55But it was actually more interesting than that, because she said,
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14:55 - 15:00"I did not think that your intuition was right.
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15:00 - 15:01I felt my intuition was correct."
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15:01 - 15:03So, if you think about all of your intuitions,
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15:03 - 15:07it's very hard to believe that your intuition is wrong.
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15:07 - 15:10And she said, "Given the fact that I thought my intuition was right ..." --
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15:10 - 15:12she thought her intuition was right --
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15:12 - 15:17it was very difficult for her to accept doing a difficult experiment
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15:17 - 15:19to try and check whether she was wrong.
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15:19 - 15:23But in fact, this is the situation we're all in all the time.
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15:23 - 15:26We have very strong intuitions about all kinds of things --
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15:26 - 15:29our own ability, how the economy works,
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15:29 - 15:31how we should pay school teachers.
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15:31 - 15:34But unless we start testing those intuitions,
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15:34 - 15:36we're not going to do better.
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15:36 - 15:38And just think about how better my life would have been
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15:38 - 15:40if these nurses would have been willing to check their intuition,
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15:40 - 15:41and how everything would have been better
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15:41 - 15:46if we just start doing more systematic experimentation of our intuitions.
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15:46 - 15:48Thank you very much.
- Title:
- Our buggy moral code
- Speaker:
- Dan Ariely
- Description:
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Behavioral economist Dan Ariely studies the bugs in our moral code: the hidden reasons we think it's OK to cheat or steal (sometimes). Clever studies help make his point that we're predictably irrational -- and can be influenced in ways we can't grasp.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 16:03
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