For argument's sake
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0:01 - 0:04My name is Dan Cohen
and I am an academic, as he said. -
0:04 - 0:08And what that means is that I argue.
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0:08 - 0:09It's an important part of my life.
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0:09 - 0:10And I like to argue.
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0:11 - 0:14And I'm not just an academic,
I'm a philosopher, -
0:14 - 0:17so I like to think that I'm actually
pretty good at arguing. -
0:17 - 0:20But I also like to think
a lot about arguing. -
0:20 - 0:24And in thinking about arguing,
I've come across some puzzles. -
0:24 - 0:26And one of the puzzles is that,
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0:26 - 0:28as I've been thinking
about arguing over the years -- -
0:28 - 0:30and it's been decades now --
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0:30 - 0:31I've gotten better at arguing.
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0:32 - 0:35But the more that I argue
and the better I get at arguing, -
0:35 - 0:36the more that I lose.
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0:37 - 0:38And that's a puzzle.
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0:38 - 0:41And the other puzzle
is that I'm actually okay with that. -
0:42 - 0:43Why is it that I'm okay with losing
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0:43 - 0:47and why is it that I think good arguers
are actually better at losing? -
0:47 - 0:49Well, there are some other puzzles.
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0:49 - 0:51One is: why do we argue?
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0:51 - 0:52Who benefits from arguments?
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0:52 - 0:55When I think about arguments,
I'm talking about -- -
0:55 - 0:58let's call them academic arguments
or cognitive arguments -- -
0:58 - 1:00where something cognitive is at stake:
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1:00 - 1:02Is this proposition true?
Is this theory a good theory? -
1:02 - 1:07Is this a viable interpretation
of the data or the text? And so on. -
1:07 - 1:11I'm not interested really in arguments
about whose turn it is to do the dishes -
1:11 - 1:12or who has to take out the garbage.
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1:12 - 1:15Yeah, we have those arguments, too.
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1:15 - 1:18I tend to win those arguments,
because I know the tricks. -
1:18 - 1:20But those aren't the important arguments.
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1:20 - 1:21I'm interested in academic arguments,
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1:21 - 1:23and here are the things that puzzle me.
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1:25 - 1:28First, what do good arguers win
when they win an argument? -
1:28 - 1:30What do I win if I convince you
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1:30 - 1:33that utilitarianism isn't really
the right framework -
1:33 - 1:34for thinking about ethical theories?
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1:34 - 1:36What do we win when we win an argument?
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1:36 - 1:38Even before that,
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1:38 - 1:39what does it matter to me
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1:39 - 1:42whether you have this idea
that Kant's theory works -
1:42 - 1:45or Mill is the right ethicist to follow?
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1:45 - 1:47It's no skin off my back
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1:47 - 1:50whether you think functionalism
is a viable theory of mind. -
1:50 - 1:52So why do we even try to argue?
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1:52 - 1:54Why do we try to convince other people
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1:54 - 1:56to believe things
they don't want to believe, -
1:56 - 1:58and is that even a nice thing to do?
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1:58 - 2:00Is that a nice way to treat
another human being, -
2:00 - 2:03try and make them think something
they don't want to think? -
2:04 - 2:08Well, my answer is going to make reference
to three models for arguments. -
2:08 - 2:11The first model -- let's call it
the dialectical model -- -
2:11 - 2:14is we think of arguments as war;
you know what that's like -- -
2:14 - 2:17a lot of screaming and shouting
and winning and losing. -
2:17 - 2:19That's not a very helpful
model for arguing, -
2:19 - 2:22but it's a pretty common
and entrenched model for arguing. -
2:22 - 2:25But there's a second model for arguing:
arguments as proofs. -
2:25 - 2:27Think of a mathematician's argument.
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2:27 - 2:30Here's my argument.
Does it work? Is it any good? -
2:30 - 2:34Are the premises warranted?
Are the inferences valid? -
2:34 - 2:37Does the conclusion follow
from the premises? -
2:37 - 2:39No opposition, no adversariality --
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2:39 - 2:45not necessarily any arguing
in the adversarial sense. -
2:45 - 2:47But there's a third model to keep in mind
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2:47 - 2:49that I think is going to be very helpful,
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2:49 - 2:54and that is arguments as performances,
arguments in front of an audience. -
2:54 - 2:57We can think of a politician
trying to present a position, -
2:57 - 2:59trying to convince
the audience of something. -
2:59 - 3:03But there's another twist on this model
that I really think is important; -
3:03 - 3:07namely, that when we argue
before an audience, -
3:07 - 3:11sometimes the audience has
a more participatory role in the argument; -
3:11 - 3:15that is, arguments are also
[performances] in front of juries, -
3:15 - 3:18who make a judgment and decide the case.
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3:18 - 3:20Let's call this the rhetorical model,
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3:20 - 3:24where you have to tailor your argument
to the audience at hand. -
3:24 - 3:26You know, presenting a sound, well-argued,
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3:26 - 3:30tight argument in English
before a francophone audience -
3:30 - 3:31just isn't going to work.
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3:32 - 3:35So we have these models --
argument as war, argument as proof -
3:35 - 3:38and argument as performance.
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3:38 - 3:42Of those three, the argument as war
is the dominant one. -
3:42 - 3:45It dominates how we talk about arguments,
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3:45 - 3:47it dominates how we think about arguments,
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3:47 - 3:50and because of that,
it shapes how we argue, -
3:50 - 3:52our actual conduct in arguments.
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3:52 - 3:54Now, when we talk about arguments,
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3:54 - 3:56we talk in a very militaristic language.
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3:56 - 3:59We want strong arguments,
arguments that have a lot of punch, -
3:59 - 4:01arguments that are right on target.
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4:01 - 4:04We want to have our defenses up
and our strategies all in order. -
4:04 - 4:06We want killer arguments.
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4:06 - 4:08That's the kind of argument we want.
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4:09 - 4:12It is the dominant way
of thinking about arguments. -
4:12 - 4:13When I'm talking about arguments,
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4:13 - 4:16that's probably what you thought of,
the adversarial model. -
4:16 - 4:19But the war metaphor,
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4:19 - 4:22the war paradigm or model
for thinking about arguments, -
4:22 - 4:25has, I think, deforming effects
on how we argue. -
4:25 - 4:28First, it elevates tactics over substance.
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4:29 - 4:31You can take a class
in logic, argumentation. -
4:31 - 4:33You learn all about the subterfuges
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4:33 - 4:36that people use to try and win
arguments -- the false steps. -
4:36 - 4:39It magnifies the us-versus
them aspect of it. -
4:39 - 4:42It makes it adversarial; it's polarizing.
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4:42 - 4:48And the only foreseeable outcomes
are triumph -- glorious triumph -- -
4:48 - 4:51or abject, ignominious defeat.
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4:51 - 4:53I think those are deforming effects,
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4:53 - 4:57and worst of all, it seems
to prevent things like negotiation -
4:57 - 5:02or deliberation or compromise
or collaboration. -
5:02 - 5:05Think about that one -- have you
ever entered an argument thinking, -
5:05 - 5:09"Let's see if we can hash something out,
rather than fight it out. -
5:09 - 5:11What can we work out together?"
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5:11 - 5:13I think the argument-as-war metaphor
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5:13 - 5:18inhibits those other kinds
of resolutions to argumentation. -
5:18 - 5:20And finally -- this is really
the worst thing -- -
5:20 - 5:23arguments don't seem to get us
anywhere; they're dead ends. -
5:23 - 5:29They are like roundabouts or traffic jams
or gridlock in conversation. -
5:29 - 5:30We don't get anywhere.
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5:30 - 5:32And one more thing.
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5:32 - 5:35And as an educator, this is the one
that really bothers me: -
5:35 - 5:37If argument is war,
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5:37 - 5:42then there's an implicit equation
of learning with losing. -
5:42 - 5:44And let me explain what I mean.
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5:44 - 5:47Suppose you and I have an argument.
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5:47 - 5:50You believe a proposition, P, and I don't.
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5:50 - 5:52And I say, "Well, why do you believe P?"
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5:52 - 5:54And you give me your reasons.
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5:54 - 5:56And I object and say,
"Well, what about ...?" -
5:56 - 5:58And you answer my objection.
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5:58 - 6:00And I have a question:
"Well, what do you mean? -
6:00 - 6:02How does it apply over here?"
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6:02 - 6:04And you answer my question.
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6:04 - 6:06Now, suppose at the end of the day,
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6:06 - 6:08I've objected, I've questioned,
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6:08 - 6:10I've raised all sorts of counter
counter-considerations -
6:10 - 6:14and in every case you've responded
to my satisfaction. -
6:14 - 6:17And so at the end of the day, I say,
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6:17 - 6:20"You know what? I guess you're right: P."
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6:20 - 6:23So, I have a new belief.
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6:23 - 6:24And it's not just any belief;
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6:24 - 6:31it's well-articulated, examined --
it's a battle-tested belief. -
6:32 - 6:33Great cognitive gain.
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6:33 - 6:34OK, who won that argument?
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6:36 - 6:40Well, the war metaphor
seems to force us into saying you won, -
6:40 - 6:42even though I'm the only one
who made any cognitive gain. -
6:42 - 6:46What did you gain, cognitively,
from convincing me? -
6:46 - 6:49Sure, you got some pleasure out of it,
maybe your ego stroked, -
6:49 - 6:51maybe you get some professional status
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6:51 - 6:54in the field --
"This guy's a good arguer." -
6:54 - 6:57But just from a cognitive point of view,
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6:57 - 6:58who was the winner?
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6:58 - 7:03The war metaphor forces us into thinking
that you're the winner and I lost, -
7:03 - 7:05even though I gained.
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7:05 - 7:07And there's something wrong
with that picture. -
7:07 - 7:10And that's the picture
I really want to change if we can. -
7:10 - 7:13So, how can we find ways
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7:13 - 7:17to make arguments
yield something positive? -
7:18 - 7:21What we need is new
exit strategies for arguments. -
7:21 - 7:24But we're not going to have
new exit strategies for arguments -
7:24 - 7:28until we have new entry
approaches to arguments. -
7:28 - 7:31We need to think
of new kinds of arguments. -
7:31 - 7:34In order to do that, well --
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7:34 - 7:36I don't know how to do that.
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7:36 - 7:37That's the bad news.
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7:37 - 7:40The argument-as-war metaphor
is just ... it's a monster. -
7:40 - 7:43It's just taken up habitation in our mind,
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7:43 - 7:45and there's no magic bullet
that's going to kill it. -
7:45 - 7:48There's no magic wand
that's going to make it disappear. -
7:48 - 7:49I don't have an answer.
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7:49 - 7:51But I have some suggestions.
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7:51 - 7:53Here's my suggestion:
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7:54 - 7:56If we want to think
of new kinds of arguments, -
7:56 - 8:00what we need to do
is think of new kinds of arguers. -
8:00 - 8:02So try this:
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8:03 - 8:07Think of all the roles
that people play in arguments. -
8:07 - 8:10There's the proponent and the opponent
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8:10 - 8:12in an adversarial, dialectical argument.
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8:12 - 8:15There's the audience
in rhetorical arguments. -
8:15 - 8:17There's the reasoner
in arguments as proofs. -
8:19 - 8:20All these different roles.
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8:20 - 8:24Now, can you imagine an argument
in which you are the arguer, -
8:24 - 8:27but you're also in the audience,
watching yourself argue? -
8:28 - 8:31Can you imagine yourself
watching yourself argue, -
8:31 - 8:36losing the argument, and yet still,
at the end of the argument, saying, -
8:36 - 8:38"Wow, that was a good argument!"
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8:39 - 8:40Can you do that?
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8:40 - 8:44I think you can, and I think
if you can imagine that kind of argument, -
8:44 - 8:48where the loser says to the winner
and the audience and the jury can say, -
8:48 - 8:50"Yeah, that was a good argument,"
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8:50 - 8:51then you have imagined a good argument.
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8:51 - 8:53And more than that,
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8:53 - 8:55I think you've imagined a good arguer,
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8:55 - 8:59an arguer that's worthy of the kind
of arguer you should try to be. -
9:00 - 9:02Now, I lose a lot of arguments.
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9:02 - 9:05It takes practice to become a good arguer,
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9:05 - 9:08in the sense of being able to benefit
from losing, but fortunately, -
9:08 - 9:11I've had many, many colleagues
who have been willing to step up -
9:11 - 9:13and provide that practice for me.
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9:13 - 9:14Thank you.
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9:14 - 9:18(Applause)
- Title:
- For argument's sake
- Speaker:
- Daniel H. Cohen
- Description:
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Why do we argue? To out-reason our opponents, prove them wrong, and, most of all, to win! ... Right? Philosopher Daniel H. Cohen shows how our most common form of argument -- a war in which one person must win and the other must lose -- misses out on the real benefits of engaging in active disagreement. (Filmed at TEDxColbyCollege.)
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 09:35
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The English transcript was updated on 11/20/2015. At 03:10, "that is, arguments are also audiences in front of juries" was changed to "that is, arguments are also [performances] in front of juries."