For argument's sake
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0:00 - 0:03My name is Dan Cohen, and I am academic, as he said.
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0:03 - 0:07And what that means is that I argue.
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0:07 - 0:10It's an important part of my life, and I like to argue.
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0:10 - 0:13And I'm not just an academic, I'm a philosopher,
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0:13 - 0:16so I like to think that I'm actually pretty good at arguing.
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0:16 - 0:20But I also like to think a lot about arguing.
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0:20 - 0:23And thinking about arguing, I've come across some puzzles,
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0:23 - 0:25and one of the puzzles is that
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0:25 - 0:27as I've been thinking about arguing over the years,
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0:27 - 0:31and it's been decades now, I've gotten better at arguing,
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0:31 - 0:34but the more that I argue and the better I get at arguing,
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0:34 - 0:38the more that I lose. And that's a puzzle.
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0:38 - 0:41And the other puzzle is that I'm actually okay with that.
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0:41 - 0:43Why is it that I'm okay with losing
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0:43 - 0:44and why is it that I think that good arguers
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0:44 - 0:46are actually better at losing?
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0:46 - 0:48Well, there's some other puzzles.
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0:48 - 0:52One is, why do we argue? Who benefits from arguments?
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0:52 - 0:54And when I think about arguments now, I'm talking about,
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0:54 - 0:57let's call them academic arguments or cognitive arguments,
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0:57 - 0:59where something cognitive is at stake.
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0:59 - 1:02Is this proposition true? Is this theory a good theory?
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1:02 - 1:06Is this a viable interpretation of the data or the text?
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1:06 - 1:08And so on. I'm not interested really in arguments about
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1:08 - 1:12whose turn it is to do the dishes or who has to take out the garbage.
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1:12 - 1:14Yeah, we have those arguments too.
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1:14 - 1:16I tend to win those arguments, because I know the tricks.
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1:16 - 1:18But those aren't the important arguments.
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1:18 - 1:20I'm interested in academic arguments today,
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1:20 - 1:22and here are the things that puzzle me.
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1:22 - 1:27First, what do good arguers win when they win an argument?
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1:27 - 1:30What do I win if I convince you that
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1:30 - 1:33utilitarianism isn't really the right framework for thinking about ethical theories?
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1:33 - 1:35So what do we win when we win an argument?
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1:35 - 1:38Even before that, what does it matter to me
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1:38 - 1:42whether you have this idea that Kant's theory works
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1:42 - 1:44or Mill's the right ethicist to follow?
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1:44 - 1:47It's no skin off my back whether you think
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1:47 - 1:50functionalism is a viable theory of mind.
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1:50 - 1:52So why do we even try to argue?
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1:52 - 1:54Why do we try to convince other people
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1:54 - 1:56to believe things that they don't want to believe?
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1:56 - 1:58And is that even a nice thing to do? Is that a nice way
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1:58 - 2:00to treat another human being, try and make them
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2:00 - 2:03think something they don't want to think?
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2:03 - 2:06Well, my answer is going to make reference to
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2:06 - 2:08three models for arguments.
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2:08 - 2:10The first model, let's call this the dialectical model,
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2:10 - 2:12is that we think of arguments as war, and you know what that's like.
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2:12 - 2:14There's a lot of screaming and shouting
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2:14 - 2:15and winning and losing,
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2:15 - 2:18and that's not really a very helpful model for arguing
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2:18 - 2:21but it's a pretty common and entrenched model for arguing.
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2:21 - 2:24But there's a second model for arguing: arguments as proofs.
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2:24 - 2:26Think of a mathematician's argument.
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2:26 - 2:29Here's my argument. Does it work? Is it any good?
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2:29 - 2:33Are the premises warranted? Are the inferences valid?
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2:33 - 2:36Does the conclusion follow from the premises?
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2:36 - 2:39No opposition, no adversariality,
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2:39 - 2:44not necessarily any arguing in the adversarial sense.
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2:44 - 2:46But there's a third model to keep in mind
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2:46 - 2:48that I think is going to be very helpful,
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2:48 - 2:51and that is arguments as performances,
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2:51 - 2:53arguments as being in front of an audience.
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2:53 - 2:56We can think of a politician trying to present a position,
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2:56 - 2:59trying to convince the audience of something.
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2:59 - 3:02But there's another twist on this model that I really think is important,
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3:02 - 3:06namely that when we argue before an audience,
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3:06 - 3:10sometimes the audience has a more participatory role in the argument,
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3:10 - 3:15that is, arguments are also audiences in front of juries
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3:15 - 3:17who make a judgment and decide the case.
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3:17 - 3:19Let's call this the rhetorical model,
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3:19 - 3:23where you have to tailor your argument to the audience at hand.
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3:23 - 3:26You know, presenting a sound, well-argued,
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3:26 - 3:29tight argument in English before a francophone audience
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3:29 - 3:31just isn't going to work.
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3:31 - 3:34So we have these models -- argument as war,
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3:34 - 3:37argument as proof, and argument as performance.
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3:37 - 3:42Of those three, the argument as war is the dominant one.
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3:42 - 3:45It dominates how we talk about arguments,
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3:45 - 3:47it dominates how we think about arguments,
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3:47 - 3:50and because of that, it shapes how we argue,
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3:50 - 3:51our actual conduct in arguments.
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3:51 - 3:53Now, when we talk about arguments,
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3:53 - 3:55yeah, we talk in a very militaristic language.
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3:55 - 3:58We want strong arguments, arguments that have a lot of punch,
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3:58 - 4:00arguments that are right on target.
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4:00 - 4:03We want to have our defenses up and our strategies all in order.
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4:03 - 4:06We want killer arguments.
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4:06 - 4:09That's the kind of argument we want.
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4:09 - 4:11It is the dominant way of thinking about arguments.
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4:11 - 4:13When I'm talking about arguments, that's probably
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4:13 - 4:16what you thought of, the adversarial model.
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4:16 - 4:20But the war metaphor, the war paradigm
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4:20 - 4:21or model for thinking about arguments,
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4:21 - 4:24has, I think, deforming effects on how we argue.
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4:24 - 4:28First it elevates tactics over substance.
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4:28 - 4:30You can take a class in logic, argumentation.
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4:30 - 4:33You learn all about the subterfuges that people use
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4:33 - 4:35to try and win arguments, the false steps.
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4:35 - 4:39It magnifies the us-versus-them aspect of it.
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4:39 - 4:42It makes it adversarial. It's polarizing.
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4:42 - 4:45And the only foreseeable outcomes
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4:45 - 4:51are triumph, glorious triumph, or abject, ignominious defeat.
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4:51 - 4:54I think those are deforming effects, and worst of all,
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4:54 - 4:56it seems to prevent things like negotiation
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4:56 - 4:59or deliberation or compromise
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4:59 - 5:02or collaboration.
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5:02 - 5:04Think about that one. Have you ever entered an argument
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5:04 - 5:07thinking, "Let's see if we can hash something out
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5:07 - 5:10rather than fight it out. What can we work out together?"
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5:10 - 5:12And I think the argument-as-war metaphor
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5:12 - 5:17inhibits those other kinds of resolutions to argumentation.
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5:17 - 5:20And finally, this is really the worst thing,
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5:20 - 5:21arguments don't seem to get us anywhere.
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5:21 - 5:24They're dead ends. They are roundabouts
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5:24 - 5:28or traffic jams or gridlock in conversation.
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5:28 - 5:30We don't get anywhere.
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5:30 - 5:32Oh, and one more thing, and as an educator,
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5:32 - 5:34this is the one that really bothers me:
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5:34 - 5:38If argument is war, then there's an implicit equation
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5:38 - 5:41of learning with losing.
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5:41 - 5:43And let me explain what I mean.
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5:43 - 5:46Suppose you and I have an argument.
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5:46 - 5:50You believe a proposition, P, and I don't.
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5:50 - 5:52And I say, "Well why do you believe P?"
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5:52 - 5:53And you give me your reasons.
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5:53 - 5:56And I object and say, "Well, what about ...?"
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5:56 - 5:57And you answer my objection.
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5:57 - 6:00And I have a question: "Well, what do you mean?
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6:00 - 6:03How does it apply over here?" And you answer my question.
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6:03 - 6:05Now, suppose at the end of the day,
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6:05 - 6:07I've objected, I've questioned,
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6:07 - 6:10I've raised all sorts of counter-considerations,
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6:10 - 6:13and in every case you've responded to my satisfaction.
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6:13 - 6:16And so at the end of the day, I say,
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6:16 - 6:20"You know what? I guess you're right. P."
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6:20 - 6:23So I have a new belief. And it's not just any belief,
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6:23 - 6:28but it's a well-articulated, examined,
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6:28 - 6:31it's a battle-tested belief.
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6:31 - 6:35Great cognitive gain. Okay. Who won that argument?
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6:35 - 6:38Well, the war metaphor seems to force us into saying
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6:38 - 6:41you won, even though I'm the only one who made any cognitive gain.
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6:41 - 6:45What did you gain cognitively from convincing me?
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6:45 - 6:48Sure, you got some pleasure out of it, maybe your ego stroked,
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6:48 - 6:51maybe you get some professional status in the field.
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6:51 - 6:53This guy's a good arguer.
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6:53 - 6:57But cognitively, now -- just from a cognitive point of view -- who was the winner?
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6:57 - 6:59The war metaphor forces us into thinking
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6:59 - 7:02that you're the winner and I lost,
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7:02 - 7:04even though I gained.
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7:04 - 7:06And there's something wrong with that picture.
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7:06 - 7:09And that's the picture I really want to change if we can.
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7:09 - 7:14So how can we find ways to make arguments
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7:14 - 7:17yield something positive?
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7:17 - 7:21What we need is new exit strategies for arguments.
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7:21 - 7:24But we're not going to have new exit strategies for arguments
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7:24 - 7:27until we have new entry approaches to arguments.
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7:27 - 7:30We need to think of new kinds of arguments.
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7:30 - 7:33In order to do that, well,
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7:33 - 7:36I don't know how to do that.
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7:36 - 7:37That's the bad news.
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7:37 - 7:40The argument-as-war metaphor is just, it's a monster.
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7:40 - 7:42It's just taken up habitation in our mind,
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7:42 - 7:44and there's no magic bullet that's going to kill it.
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7:44 - 7:47There's no magic wand that's going to make it disappear.
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7:47 - 7:49I don't have an answer.
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7:49 - 7:50But I have some suggestions,
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7:50 - 7:53and here's my suggestion.
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7:53 - 7:55If we want to think of new kinds of arguments,
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7:55 - 7:59what we need to do is think of new kinds of arguers.
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7:59 - 8:02So try this.
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8:02 - 8:07Think of all the roles that people play in arguments.
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8:07 - 8:10There's the proponent and the opponent
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8:10 - 8:12in an adversarial, dialectical argument.
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8:12 - 8:14There's the audience in rhetorical arguments.
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8:14 - 8:18There's the reasoner in arguments as proofs.
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8:18 - 8:22All these different roles. Now, can you imagine an argument
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8:22 - 8:25in which you are the arguer, but you're also in the audience
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8:25 - 8:27watching yourself argue?
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8:27 - 8:30Can you imagine yourself watching yourself argue,
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8:30 - 8:34losing the argument, and yet still, at the end of the argument,
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8:34 - 8:38say, "Wow, that was a good argument."
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8:38 - 8:41Can you do that? I think you can.
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8:41 - 8:43And I think, if you can imagine that kind of argument
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8:43 - 8:45where the loser says to the winner
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8:45 - 8:47and the audience and the jury can say,
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8:47 - 8:49"Yeah, that was a good argument,"
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8:49 - 8:51then you have imagined a good argument.
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8:51 - 8:53And more than that, I think you've imagined
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8:53 - 8:56a good arguer, an arguer that's worthy
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8:56 - 8:59of the kind of arguer you should try to be.
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8:59 - 9:02Now, I lose a lot of arguments.
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9:02 - 9:04It takes practice to become a good arguer
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9:04 - 9:06in the sense of being able to benefit from losing,
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9:06 - 9:09but fortunately, I've had many, many colleagues
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9:09 - 9:12who have been willing to step up and provide that practice for me.
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9:12 - 9:13Thank you.
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9:13 - 9:17(Applause)
- Title:
- For argument's sake
- Speaker:
- Daniel H. Cohen
- Description:
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Why do we argue? To out-reason our opponents, prove them wrong, and, most of all, to win! ... Right? Philosopher Daniel H. Cohen shows how our most common form of argument -- a war in which one person must win and the other must lose -- misses out on the real benefits of engaging in active disagreement. (Filmed at TEDxColbyCollege.)
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 09:35
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The English transcript was updated on 11/20/2015. At 03:10, "that is, arguments are also audiences in front of juries" was changed to "that is, arguments are also [performances] in front of juries."