The ideology of cartoons | Juan Sklar | TEDxRíodelaPlata
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0:12 - 0:17I've got a four-year-old son
who loves to jump on the couch. -
0:18 - 0:22I tell him he can get hurt
and I ask him to please don't do it. -
0:23 - 0:26"But look, Dad," he says,
while he keeps jumping. -
0:26 - 0:30And he's always an inch away
from smashing his head on the table. -
0:31 - 0:34I shout "Goran!" --
his name is Goran -- -
0:34 - 0:37"Goran, stop jumping right now!"
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0:37 - 0:41And when I scream like that
he doesn't give me a damn, either. -
0:41 - 0:43(Laughter)
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0:43 - 0:46Now let's imagine this other situation.
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0:46 - 0:49My son is jumping, up-down, up-down,
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0:49 - 0:56and suddenly he slips and gets very close
to smashing his brains out -
0:56 - 0:58with the tip of the table.
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0:59 - 1:04So I, his brave and strong father,
jump and save him. -
1:05 - 1:09I bring him down and after checking
that the kid is OK, I say: -
1:10 - 1:13"Goran, we have to talk."
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1:15 - 1:18I take him by the hand for a walk.
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1:20 - 1:22Imagine that we are not in my house.
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1:22 - 1:26We are in a huge meadow in Africa.
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1:27 - 1:32Imagine also a starry sky above us.
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1:33 - 1:37Imagine that suddenly an orchestra sounds.
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1:38 - 1:41(Music)
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1:41 - 1:44"Goran, I'm very disappointed in you.
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1:44 - 1:46You deliberately disobeyed me!
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1:46 - 1:48You could've hurt yourself!"
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1:48 - 1:52"Dad, I was just trying to be
brave like you." -
1:53 - 1:56"I'm only brave when I have to be.
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1:56 - 2:00Goran, you see, being brave doesn't mean
putting yourself in danger." -
2:01 - 2:06"But dad, you're not scared of anything."
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2:07 - 2:09"Yes, I was today."
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2:10 - 2:11"Really?"
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2:12 - 2:16"I was today. I thought that something
might happen to you." -
2:18 - 2:21And the moment I finish my sentence,
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2:21 - 2:24my little son sees the footprint
of my boot on the floor -
2:24 - 2:26and compares it with that of his shoe.
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2:27 - 2:29And then realizes that
I double him in height, -
2:29 - 2:31that I weight five times more than him,
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2:31 - 2:35and that I've been on this earth
for 32 years more than him. -
2:35 - 2:37And that this number, 32,
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2:37 - 2:41is never going to shrink
until the day I die. -
2:42 - 2:43(End of music)
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2:44 - 2:48(Applause)
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2:51 - 2:52It's not the same.
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2:53 - 2:57It's not the same because what I just did
is a scene from "The Lion King." -
2:58 - 3:03Cartoons, with music,
with characters, with stories, -
3:03 - 3:07convey messages and they do it
in a very powerful way. -
3:08 - 3:09We feel it in our bodies.
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3:10 - 3:14When I was a kid my favorite movie
was "The Lion King." -
3:14 - 3:16I watched it all the time.
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3:16 - 3:18"The Lion King" has a phrase that I love
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3:18 - 3:21in a song, that says "hakuna matata."
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3:22 - 3:26Hakuna Matata means
"no problem" in Swahili. -
3:26 - 3:29And it's also the philosophy
that little Simba -
3:29 - 3:31adopts when his father dies.
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3:31 - 3:33The little lion is full of guilt,
full of anguish, -
3:33 - 3:37so he adopts a life philosophy
that more or less goes like this: -
3:37 - 3:41"no worries for the rest of your days."
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3:43 - 3:50However, when I grew up, had a son
and watched "The Lion King" again, -
3:50 - 3:54I discovered that "Hakuna Matata"
is simply a stage in Simba's life. -
3:55 - 3:58Living in the forest,
with your friends, eating bugs, -
3:58 - 4:03not worrying about absolutely anything
other than your desire and your freedom. -
4:04 - 4:09But what Simba really has to do
is to assume his responsibilities, -
4:09 - 4:14return to his troop,
take the place of his father, -
4:14 - 4:18defeat evil and restore the circle of life.
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4:19 - 4:23This is the absolute opposite
to "hakuna matata." -
4:24 - 4:29"The Lion King" told me at age 10
how my 20's would be -
4:29 - 4:32and what I would need,
to engage in my 30's. -
4:34 - 4:36My sister liked "The Little Mermaid."
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4:36 - 4:38She knew all the songs.
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4:39 - 4:41Now, she says she doesn't like it much
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4:41 - 4:44because "no women should
give her voice for a man." -
4:46 - 4:49I think my sister never watched
"The Little Mermaid" when she grew up -
4:49 - 4:53because in the movie, princess Ariel
wants to be with prince Eric, -
4:53 - 4:57but lives repressed
by the patriarchal power of King Triton. -
4:57 - 5:01It's true, she gives up her voice,
but she acts in desperation! -
5:02 - 5:04And it's not until she gets her voice back
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5:04 - 5:06that she can be with the guy she wants.
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5:07 - 5:11In "The Little Mermaid" a silent woman
never gets what she wants. -
5:12 - 5:15In addition, Ariel is a character
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5:15 - 5:19that during the whole movie never ever
gives up on her desire. -
5:19 - 5:23And in that quest she makes
her father change his mind. -
5:24 - 5:26"The Little Mermaid" is the story
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5:26 - 5:30of repressed sexual female desire
that has to come up, -
5:30 - 5:34and the masculine power
that has step aside and listen. -
5:36 - 5:39How much of my sister's discomfort
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5:39 - 5:42with patriarchal mandates
had to do with "The Little Mermaid"? -
5:43 - 5:46How many of the decisions
I took in my life -
5:46 - 5:47had to do with "The Lion King"?
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5:49 - 5:53Every time I talk about this
on the radio or anywhere, -
5:53 - 5:57every time I talk about
cartoon philosophy, -
5:57 - 6:01someone says: "They have no message,
they are commercial." -
6:02 - 6:06Yes, they are commercial and, yes,
they earn millions of dollars, -
6:06 - 6:10but they can do it because
they do have philosophical content. -
6:12 - 6:17A movie like "Frozen," for example,
which cost USD 150 million -- -
6:17 - 6:19without counting promotion costs --
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6:19 - 6:22it's bound to be meaningful.
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6:22 - 6:25In addition to the drawings,
in addition to the songs, -
6:25 - 6:28in addition to the huge
marketing machinery, -
6:28 - 6:32it's forced to resonate with
its own historical time of existence. -
6:32 - 6:34And "Frozen" does it.
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6:35 - 6:38It gets into the feminist discussion
about princesses. -
6:38 - 6:40And what does it do?
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6:40 - 6:43It makes them proactive
and leads them far from romantic love. -
6:43 - 6:48All this without touching the shoes,
the dresses and the crowns. -
6:50 - 6:54Cartoons create a worldview.
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6:55 - 7:00This was already said in 1971
by authors Dorfman and Mattelart -
7:00 - 7:05in their classic philosophy book
"How to Read Donald Duck," -
7:06 - 7:07that's the name of the book.
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7:08 - 7:14That book in its final chapter
has a phrase that I love, that goes: -
7:14 - 7:17"As long as he strolls
with his smiling countenance so innocently -
7:17 - 7:19about the streets of our country,
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7:19 - 7:22as long as Donald is power
and our collective representative, -
7:22 - 7:27the bourgeoisie and imperialism
can sleep in peace." -
7:28 - 7:33For those authors
the number one enemy of socialism -
7:33 - 7:36was a duck with no pants.
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7:36 - 7:38(Laughter)
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7:38 - 7:43And they were right, because the war
between socialism and Donald Duck -
7:43 - 7:44was won by the duck.
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7:49 - 7:53Fifty years have passed since this book.
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7:53 - 7:56Many of the values the left wings used
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7:56 - 7:58to criticize Disney in the 70s
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7:58 - 8:00were absorbed by Disney itself
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8:00 - 8:03and by all the industry
of kids' entertainment. -
8:05 - 8:08It was said, for example,
that Disney was racist. -
8:08 - 8:12But in the 80s and 90s along with
the white and Christian characters -
8:12 - 8:16appeared Jews, Muslims,
Gypsies and Chinese. -
8:17 - 8:21And then Mexicans appeared,
African Americans and Polynesians. -
8:21 - 8:25Even today, recently,
we have a movie like "Zootopia" -
8:25 - 8:28which has, basically,
a great anti-racist plot. -
8:30 - 8:33It was said that Disney was misogynist.
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8:34 - 8:37And, while princesses
in the 90s were romantic, -
8:37 - 8:39they were already empowered.
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8:39 - 8:41Ariel, like we saw, fights for her desire.
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8:42 - 8:46Belle, from "Beauty and the Beast,"
rejects the male Gaston -
8:46 - 8:49who is murdered and tames the beast.
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8:50 - 8:53Jasmine, from "Aladdin,"
changes the Sultan's laws. -
8:53 - 8:57And Pocahontas, still being
in love with John Smith, -
8:57 - 9:01decides to stay in the
land of her ancestors. -
9:02 - 9:06Even sexual diversity
is included in 90's Disney. -
9:07 - 9:10"Mulan," for example,
is the story of a girl -
9:10 - 9:12who gets into war cross-dressed as male.
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9:12 - 9:15And she wins that war
supported by a group of men -
9:15 - 9:17cross-dressed as women.
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9:18 - 9:22The love plot is unquestionably bisexual
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9:22 - 9:25and we could even say it's queer.
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9:26 - 9:30At the end of the movie, Mulan
receives the blessings of her family, -
9:30 - 9:34of her ancestors,
and from the emperor of China himself. -
9:36 - 9:39In 2001, "Shrek" was released.
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9:40 - 9:46And with that movie
a very interesting door opened up: -
9:47 - 9:48the discriminated ones.
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9:50 - 9:52The three great sagas of Dreamworks --
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9:52 - 9:56"Shrek," "Kung Fu Panda"
and "How to Train your Dragon" -- -
9:56 - 10:01have ugly, fat heroes
and people with disabilities. -
10:04 - 10:07Even the way good and evil
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10:07 - 10:10are portrayed in kids' movies changed.
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10:10 - 10:14We hardly have really bad
evil guys anymore. -
10:14 - 10:20There are even movies with no bad guys,
like "Inside Out" or "Wall-E." -
10:21 - 10:24There are movies in which the bad guy
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10:24 - 10:28reflects upon their place
in the world and changes. -
10:28 - 10:31Like in "Despicable Me" or "Megamind."
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10:31 - 10:37Historically frightening figures
like ogres, monsters or vampires -
10:37 - 10:41suddenly become characters
with personal dilemmas. -
10:42 - 10:47This way of facing conflicts
I call it "post-evil." -
10:50 - 10:56However, there is an argument
from "How To Read Donald Duck" -
10:56 - 10:59still standing 50 years later.
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11:00 - 11:04There is a conflict that remains silenced.
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11:05 - 11:09And that is the social class conflict.
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11:10 - 11:14Since 1990 to date,
there is only one movie -
11:14 - 11:17which deals directly
with the issue of poverty. -
11:18 - 11:21That movie is "Aladdin."
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11:22 - 11:27Aladdin is a poor boy from Agrabah
who lives with starving children. -
11:28 - 11:31At the end of the movie
Aladdin's situation changes, -
11:31 - 11:35Jasmine's situation,
the woman, also changes. -
11:35 - 11:38But the poor remain poor.
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11:39 - 11:44Both in 1992 version and in 2019 remake,
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11:44 - 11:49at the end of the movie there is
an opulent palace full of riches -
11:49 - 11:52and outside there are children starving.
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11:55 - 11:58Animated movies produced in the U.S.
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11:58 - 12:00and consumed throughout the world,
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12:00 - 12:03are strongly progressive
in regards to gender, -
12:03 - 12:08racism, discrimination,
disability and fat phobia. -
12:09 - 12:15And they are conservative
in social class conflicts. -
12:18 - 12:21I wouldn't be surprised
if in the next 10 or 15 years -
12:21 - 12:24this worldview would reign:
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12:25 - 12:30a multi-racial feminist, sexually diverse
and inclusive capitalism, -
12:30 - 12:36where the difference between
the rich and the poor only grows bigger. -
12:37 - 12:42(Applause)
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12:47 - 12:52Because at Disney, at Dremworks,
at Illumination, at Pixar, -
12:52 - 12:58the values of our civilization
are both reflected and also installed. -
12:59 - 13:04These movies are not innocent,
but they are not the enemy either. -
13:05 - 13:07We can use them in our favor.
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13:08 - 13:11But for that to happen
we have to understand them. -
13:12 - 13:16And to understand them we need
a new critical approach. -
13:17 - 13:21To discuss what movies kids watch,
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13:21 - 13:25talk about them between adults,
and then with them. -
13:26 - 13:30And, above all, to know
what voices and what values -
13:30 - 13:32are being silenced.
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13:35 - 13:37But let's go back to my couch.
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13:38 - 13:42I have a four-year-old son
and I want him to stop jumping. -
13:44 - 13:46So I call him:
"Goran, come here please." -
13:47 - 13:48And I go down to his height.
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13:50 - 13:52"Goran, let me ask you a question:
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13:52 - 13:56who has the biggest paw, Simba or Mufasa?"
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13:56 - 13:58"Mufasa."
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13:58 - 14:01"Here, put your hand on mine."
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14:05 - 14:08"Who has the biggest hand, you or me?"
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14:09 - 14:10"You."
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14:12 - 14:16"Do you understand that if you jump
on the couch you can smash your head?" -
14:18 - 14:20"Yes, Dad."
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14:20 - 14:24"So, are you going to listen to me?"
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14:25 - 14:26"Yes, Dad."
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14:27 - 14:33(Applause)
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14:39 - 14:46Kids are sitting in this couch
watching cartoons. -
14:47 - 14:51We think it's entertainment,
that they are dumbfounded, -
14:51 - 14:53but they are sitting in front
of the most powerful -
14:53 - 14:57ideological machinery of our time.
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14:58 - 15:00Let's not leave them alone.
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15:00 - 15:03(Applause)
- Title:
- The ideology of cartoons | Juan Sklar | TEDxRíodelaPlata
- Description:
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Cartoons can be watched through the lens of ideology. From "The Lion King" to "Frozen", through "Shrek", "Mulan" and "Aladdin", writer Juan Sklar unveils a new world in which family dynamics, discrimination, racism and even class struggle are present. Going to the movies will never be the same. Reading Juan's work is a ticket to other worlds, like in his novels "We never arrived in India" and "Fourteen books", or his book of essays, "Letters to the son". He also suggests a new look to the most successful animated films in history in his book "Animated Ideologies" and in his columns on the radio.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
- Video Language:
- Spanish
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDxTalks
- Duration:
- 15:13
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