Intersex people and the physics of judgment | Cecelia McDonald | TEDxBoulder
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0:07 - 0:08When I turned 17,
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0:08 - 0:12I went to the doctor because things
weren't developing normally. -
0:12 - 0:17I still hadn't started my period.
I still didn't have boobs. -
0:17 - 0:19I was referred up
the chain of specialists, -
0:19 - 0:22and we set out to find
what was wrong with me. -
0:22 - 0:24This was the first time,
in a medical setting, -
0:24 - 0:27that I felt like a thing to be fixed.
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0:29 - 0:35The doctors ordered some tests,
and when they got the results back, -
0:35 - 0:39they said, "Well, we didn't expect that!",
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0:40 - 0:42which I think is very next to "oops"
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0:42 - 0:46on the list of things you don't want
to hear in the doctor's office. -
0:46 - 0:48(Laughter)
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0:48 - 0:50A quick biology refresher for you:
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0:50 - 0:56women have two X chromosomes
and men have an X and a Y, right? -
0:56 - 0:58Well, usually.
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0:59 - 1:02The doctors were confused because,
when my chromosome analysis came back, -
1:02 - 1:05I had an X and a Y,
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1:05 - 1:07which is typically associated
with being male. -
1:08 - 1:13I was intersex,
somewhere between the sexes. -
1:14 - 1:18Intersex people have some combination
of both male and female, -
1:18 - 1:24whether that's in their external anatomy,
their internal reproductive organs, -
1:24 - 1:27their hormone levels, or their DNA.
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1:28 - 1:29Intersex also includes people
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1:29 - 1:34who don't have any particular aspect
of the opposite sex, -
1:34 - 1:39but their anatomy just isn't quite typical
for what you would expect. -
1:39 - 1:43Being intersex is not the same
as being transgender. -
1:43 - 1:49Transgender people typically have bodies
that correspond entirely to one sex. -
1:49 - 1:53While it is possible to be
both intersex and transgender, -
1:53 - 1:56the majority of each group
is either one or the other. -
1:56 - 1:59People find out that they're
intersex in a few ways. -
2:00 - 2:02Some people find out -
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2:02 - 2:05well, their parents and their doctors
find out when they're babies, -
2:05 - 2:09and they notice that their anatomy
just isn't quite typical. -
2:09 - 2:11Other people find out during puberty,
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2:11 - 2:13when puberty goes in ways
that they didn't expect, -
2:13 - 2:17or, as in my case, when puberty
just doesn't happen at all. -
2:17 - 2:22So, once we knew "what was wrong with me,"
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2:22 - 2:25it became a thing to be fixed.
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2:25 - 2:27We had our game plan.
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2:27 - 2:31I had streak gonads,
tiny little streaks of tissue -
2:31 - 2:33that would normally have developed
into ovaries in women -
2:33 - 2:38or testes in men, but in me,
never developed into anything. -
2:38 - 2:40Those might be cancerous,
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2:40 - 2:44so I would have to have
surgery to remove them. -
2:45 - 2:48If they were cancerous
and the cancer had spread, -
2:48 - 2:51then I might need more surgery,
and maybe chemo, -
2:51 - 2:53and maybe an oncology team.
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2:54 - 2:57During surgery, we would also evaluate
what female anatomy I had -
2:57 - 2:59and whether it was all hooked up.
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2:59 - 3:03If I had a uterus, we needed to know
that it wasn't often its own little world, -
3:03 - 3:07because hormone replacement therapy
could stimulate a period -
3:07 - 3:09and the blood would have nowhere to go.
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3:09 - 3:13At the end of the day,
a few prognoses were tossed out. -
3:13 - 3:15I would probably never be pregnant.
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3:15 - 3:17I might never have a normal sex life.
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3:17 - 3:20And by the time all
of the diagnostics were done, -
3:20 - 3:22I would be 18.
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3:22 - 3:25Now, I know that starting
puberty was really high -
3:25 - 3:28on everyone's list of things to do
when they turned 18 - -
3:28 - 3:30(Laughter)
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3:32 - 3:35but I'm happy to report
that everything turned out well, -
3:35 - 3:39including my moderately
awkward freshman year of college. -
3:39 - 3:40(Laughter)
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3:40 - 3:42I didn't have cancer,
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3:42 - 3:45I can probably be pregnant
with the help of an egg donor, -
3:45 - 3:48and my sex life is none of your business.
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3:48 - 3:50(Laughter)
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3:50 - 3:53(Cheers) (Applause)
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3:56 - 4:00Our game plan had gone perfectly.
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4:00 - 4:04According to any
medical standard, I was fixed, -
4:05 - 4:08but fixing is different than healing,
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4:09 - 4:12and healing rarely comes with a road map.
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4:13 - 4:16I think it's indicative
of a fixing mentality -
4:16 - 4:19that I was never referred to counseling,
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4:19 - 4:22I was never referred to group counseling,
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4:22 - 4:26and it was never suggested
that I could meet people like me. -
4:27 - 4:31Imagine being told at 17
that you have red hair. -
4:31 - 4:36And you're like,
"Red hair... what's that?" -
4:36 - 4:39That sounds ridiculous,
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4:39 - 4:42but at 1% to 2%
of the population worldwide, -
4:42 - 4:46being intersex is about as common
as having red hair. -
4:46 - 4:50In the United States,
it's also about as common as being Jewish. -
4:51 - 4:54So, where are we?
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4:54 - 4:59And how have so many people
never heard of us? -
4:59 - 5:04It still astonishes me that, in several
years of being out as an intersex person, -
5:04 - 5:11I have never met another intersex person
naturally, on the street, in the wild - -
5:11 - 5:13(Laughter)
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5:14 - 5:17Even in the LGBT community,
nobody's ever said, -
5:17 - 5:21"Oh, yeah, me too!",
or "My sister is," "My friend is." -
5:22 - 5:25In our personal,
professional and public lives, -
5:25 - 5:28we are deep underground.
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5:28 - 5:31We've been ashamed of it,
so we don't talk about it. -
5:31 - 5:35So, we become ashamed of it,
and the cycle continues. -
5:36 - 5:39But we can't be invisible anymore.
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5:40 - 5:44We need to be seen and we need you
to know that we exist -
5:44 - 5:47because, otherwise,
the next generation of intersex kids -
5:47 - 5:51is going to grow up just as confused
and ashamed as we did. -
5:51 - 5:53We need people to know
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5:53 - 5:57that, if intersex people are 1%
of every population, -
5:57 - 6:02then there may be five
intersex Fortune 500 CEOs, -
6:02 - 6:05there may be five
intersex members of Congress, -
6:05 - 6:10there may be three
intersex United States astronauts, -
6:10 - 6:15and there may be four intersex kids
in the average US elementary school. -
6:15 - 6:18We need to be seen
and we need everyone's voices -
6:18 - 6:23because the consequences
of us not being seen are dire. -
6:24 - 6:26Across the United States
and around the world, -
6:26 - 6:32intersex babies have been subjected
to what's been called genital mutilation. -
6:33 - 6:37I worry that that term
stigmatizes intersex people, -
6:37 - 6:41but I do think it can base
the gravity of the situation. -
6:42 - 6:46Intersex babies are being subjected
to surgery that is cosmetic -
6:46 - 6:47and medically not necessary,
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6:47 - 6:51and is designed to make their genitals
appear more normal. -
6:51 - 6:54These surgeries carry risks of scarring,
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6:54 - 6:58loss of sensation,
and sexual difficulties later on. -
7:00 - 7:03What's really surprising
is that relatively minor abnormalities -
7:03 - 7:06can bring infants under the knife.
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7:07 - 7:09In a condition called hypospadias,
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7:09 - 7:13a boy's penis has an under opening,
instead of a tip opening. -
7:13 - 7:15The term comes from the Greek
"hypo" for "under," -
7:15 - 7:17and "spadia" for "opening."
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7:18 - 7:20Instead of being at the tip,
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7:20 - 7:22the urethra is on the
underside of the penis, -
7:22 - 7:24somewhere lower down.
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7:25 - 7:27These boys generally have
a functioning penis, -
7:27 - 7:30so why are they being
subjected to surgery? -
7:30 - 7:35Well, so that, when they are older,
they can stand while peeing; -
7:36 - 7:38so that their penis doesn't look weird.
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7:38 - 7:42Imagine a set of parents
seeing their new baby and saying, -
7:42 - 7:44"Those ears have got to go."
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7:45 - 7:49The doctors would look at them
like they were nuts, -
7:49 - 7:52but, for some reason, when
the abnormality is in a baby's genitals, -
7:52 - 7:54surgery seems like the only option.
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7:55 - 8:00Hypospadias affects 1 in 200 boys,
which makes it relatively common. -
8:00 - 8:04Even so, we don't have good data
on the number of procedures performed. -
8:04 - 8:06We also don't have good data
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8:06 - 8:09on the success or failure rates
of these surgeries. -
8:09 - 8:14Failure rates seem to range
between 4% and 67%, -
8:14 - 8:17depending on the type
of procedure performed -
8:17 - 8:20and the type of surgeon
performing the surgery. -
8:20 - 8:23That's a huge range.
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8:23 - 8:28I would argue that any risk is too great
when the procedure is purely cosmetic -
8:28 - 8:32and the child is too young to participate
in the decision-making, -
8:32 - 8:36especially because failure
means more surgery. -
8:36 - 8:39Kids have ended up
having 10, 20, 25 surgeries -
8:39 - 8:41to correct what went wrong
in the first one -
8:41 - 8:43and in subsequent surgeries.
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8:45 - 8:48They've ended up spending spring break
and summer at home, recuperating, -
8:48 - 8:51instead of having fun with their friends.
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8:52 - 8:53And for what?
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8:55 - 8:58I honestly believe
that parents and physicians -
8:58 - 9:01want to to do right by these kids.
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9:01 - 9:05It's impossible to know
the particulars of every case, -
9:05 - 9:08but I do know the physics of judgement.
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9:08 - 9:13I know that, when we're treating
other people as things to be fixed, -
9:13 - 9:16we're probably treating
ourselves the same way. -
9:16 - 9:18When we think that we're not good enough,
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9:18 - 9:20we think that other people
aren't good enough, -
9:20 - 9:22and then we start thinking
that other people -
9:22 - 9:24see other people as not good enough.
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9:24 - 9:31And that spirals into worries of people
seeing this child as not good enough, -
9:31 - 9:34wondering if this kid will be teased,
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9:34 - 9:38wondering what will happen
a baby-sitter changes their diaper, -
9:39 - 9:42wondering what will happen
when a colleague notices -
9:42 - 9:43that this man pees sitting down
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9:43 - 9:46or when a partner sees
this woman's slightly enlarged clitoris -
9:46 - 9:48for the first time.
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9:49 - 9:52These fears are real,
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9:52 - 9:55and I have faced similar ones
in my own life, -
9:56 - 9:58but we are miracles,
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9:58 - 10:01made up of particles smaller
than we can conceive of, -
10:01 - 10:03from stars larger
than we can possibly imagine, -
10:03 - 10:06and we don't have to get caught up
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10:06 - 10:08in the in-between spaces
of inches and pounds. -
10:08 - 10:12We can remember that all of us,
male, female, intersex, -
10:12 - 10:13are not things to be fixed.
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10:13 - 10:16We are people to be loved.
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10:16 - 10:19And if you believe
that you're a person to be loved -
10:19 - 10:21and treat yourself
with kindness and patience, -
10:21 - 10:24then you'll treat
other people the same way. -
10:24 - 10:26And that's what
intersex people really need, -
10:26 - 10:30because decisions about our bodies
are being made by people like you. -
10:30 - 10:31Thank you.
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10:31 - 10:34(Cheers) (Applause)
- Title:
- Intersex people and the physics of judgment | Cecelia McDonald | TEDxBoulder
- Description:
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What is intersex? Is it the same as being transgender? And how are intersex people treated around the world? One to two percent of the population is intersex, but few can name a personal friend who is open about this identity.
There is a tremendous amount of shame around being intersex, as shown by the very few intersex people who have "come out." The discussion on what it's like to be diagnosed, what it's like to date and tell people about being intersex, and some ways to own your medical care and make sure that you get the help you need is important. One to two percent of the US population is intersex. Yet, few can name a personal friend that is open about this identity. Cecelia is the CEO of Bird Meets Bee, helping people find egg donors, sperm donors, and surrogates. Entrepreneur, songwriter, traveler, and intersex advocate.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
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- English
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- Duration:
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