How flags unite (and divide) us
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0:01 - 0:03In 1989,
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0:03 - 0:05an artist by the name of Dread Scott,
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0:05 - 0:08who has also graced the TED stage,
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0:08 - 0:10created a piece of art in Chicago,
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0:10 - 0:14where he simply placed
an American flag on the ground -
0:14 - 0:18and then invited you the viewer
to go and stand on that flag -
0:19 - 0:21and record how it felt in a journal.
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0:22 - 0:27And to me, one of the most powerful things
written in that journal, in essence, says, -
0:27 - 0:29"Why are we so OK
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0:29 - 0:31with homeless people,
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0:31 - 0:33with human beings laying on the ground,
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0:33 - 0:35but not flags?"
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0:37 - 0:40And to some of you,
this piece of art is quite disturbing. -
0:41 - 0:43And that's kind of the point
of this talk -- -
0:43 - 0:46not to upset you or to make you mad
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0:46 - 0:51but to prove to you that flags
have an incredible power, -
0:51 - 0:54and that even if you think
you don't care about flags, you do. -
0:54 - 0:56You know you do.
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0:56 - 0:57Alright.
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0:57 - 1:00By the end of it,
I hope that you're inspired -
1:00 - 1:03to go out and harness this power of flags
and fight for a better world. -
1:03 - 1:05But before we get there,
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1:05 - 1:08we're going to start
on the opposite end of the spectrum. -
1:08 - 1:12And before I show you the next stuff,
I need to say that anything I show here -
1:12 - 1:14is not an endorsement,
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1:14 - 1:16it's usually quite the opposite.
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1:16 - 1:20But more than anything,
what I want to do is create a space here -
1:20 - 1:23where we can look
at these flags, these designs, -
1:23 - 1:26and examine how they make us feel.
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1:26 - 1:28We're going to talk about our emotions.
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1:28 - 1:30Is that OK with everybody?
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1:30 - 1:31OK.
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1:31 - 1:33Are you ready for your first flag?
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1:35 - 1:36Cool, we'll start with an easy one.
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1:37 - 1:39That was a joke. (Laughs)
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1:39 - 1:44So, some of you may be a little bit uneasy
sitting in a room with this. -
1:44 - 1:47I'm certainly feeling uneasy
standing in front of it. -
1:47 - 1:50Some of you may be feeling
a little bit of pride. -
1:51 - 1:55And that's understandable. This is Texas.
This is not a rare sight, is it? -
1:56 - 1:57But let's start with the facts.
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1:58 - 2:01So this is not the Confederate flag. OK?
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2:01 - 2:05This is the battle flag
of the Army of Northern Virginia -
2:05 - 2:07led by General Robert E. Lee.
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2:07 - 2:10So next time someone tells you
that this is their heritage, -
2:10 - 2:13unless their family fought
for that very specific militia, -
2:13 - 2:15they're wrong, alright?
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2:15 - 2:17And you have a flag expert's
permission to tell them so. -
2:18 - 2:23This flag rose into prominence
during the mid-1950s and '60s -
2:23 - 2:26as a response to the growing
Civil Rights Movement. -
2:26 - 2:28And then of course today,
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2:28 - 2:32it has come to represent
the Confederacy to most of us. -
2:34 - 2:37But I shouldn't have to remind you
what the Confederacy is. -
2:37 - 2:38It was a rogue nation
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2:38 - 2:41that rose up against the United States,
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2:41 - 2:43waged war on the US,
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2:43 - 2:44and at one point in time,
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2:44 - 2:48this was one of the most
un-American things you could have. -
2:48 - 2:51But yet, this flag is protected
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2:51 - 2:55by the same laws that protect
the United States flag -
2:55 - 2:57in the states of Florida, Georgia,
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2:57 - 3:00South Carolina, Mississippi and Louisiana.
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3:02 - 3:04But let's pick on Georgia
for a second, shall we? -
3:05 - 3:06So in 1956,
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3:06 - 3:10a few years after desegregation
was mandated in public schools, -
3:10 - 3:13Georgia changed their state flag to this.
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3:15 - 3:18I think everyone watching can agree
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3:18 - 3:21that this was not meant to be a flag
that every Georgian was proud to fly -
3:21 - 3:23outside of their home, was it?
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3:24 - 3:25No.
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3:25 - 3:30Just like all of the Confederate statues
erected in the mid-1950s and '60s, -
3:30 - 3:33this was meant to be a symbol
of who was in charge -
3:33 - 3:35and who was not.
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3:36 - 3:38This remained the flag of Georgia
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3:38 - 3:40until the year 2001,
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3:41 - 3:43and in that year, they changed their flag
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3:43 - 3:44to this.
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3:45 - 3:49Now, as a flag expert, I can tell you:
this is officially ugly. -
3:49 - 3:51OK? It's OK to laugh at this flag.
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3:51 - 3:54It's ugly, and because it's so ugly,
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3:54 - 3:57that's one of the reasons
they changed it just two years later. -
3:57 - 3:58They had a referendum
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3:58 - 4:00where they got to choose
between that thing -
4:00 - 4:03and then what is now
the current flag of Georgia. -
4:04 - 4:06Now some of you might be wondering,
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4:06 - 4:07"Wait a second, Michael --
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4:07 - 4:10if that before wasn't
the Confederate flag, -
4:10 - 4:12what was the Confederate flag?"
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4:14 - 4:18Georgia flies the first flag
of the Confederate States of America -
4:19 - 4:20to this day.
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4:20 - 4:22They just slapped their state seal on it.
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4:23 - 4:26Well, let's go back
to our emotions for a second. -
4:26 - 4:30That didn't punch you in the gut
as much as the other one did, did it? -
4:30 - 4:32Right?
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4:32 - 4:34And that's why I love flags.
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4:34 - 4:37They are the simplest pieces of design,
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4:37 - 4:40usually just two or three colors,
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4:40 - 4:42just some bars or stripes.
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4:42 - 4:46But yet, they can invoke
the deepest emotions within us. -
4:46 - 4:49They'll make us swell with pride
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4:49 - 4:50or burn with hatred.
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4:51 - 4:53We will die for a flag
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4:54 - 4:55or even kill for one.
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4:57 - 5:00One of my favorite designers,
his name is Wally Olins, -
5:00 - 5:03they call him the father
of nation branding, -
5:03 - 5:04and he's quoted as saying
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5:04 - 5:07that "Everyone wants to belong,
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5:07 - 5:10and then they want to display
symbols of belonging." -
5:11 - 5:16And it's crazy that these pieces of cloth
that are just sewn together or dyed -
5:16 - 5:19come to be such a sacred item,
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5:19 - 5:22and that's because they become
parts of our identity. -
5:23 - 5:25They are powerful tools to unify
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5:26 - 5:29but equally powerful tools to divide.
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5:30 - 5:31You ready for the next flag?
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5:34 - 5:35Right.
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5:35 - 5:36Take a moment.
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5:36 - 5:39Really examine how you felt
when this hit the screen. -
5:40 - 5:43I'm going to change
the slide pretty quickly -
5:43 - 5:45so you don't take pictures of me
in front of this one. -
5:45 - 5:46(Laughter)
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5:46 - 5:47Alright?
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5:47 - 5:50So Germany after World War I,
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5:50 - 5:52it was in a pretty bad state,
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5:52 - 5:57and a young Adolf Hitler had a lot of --
let's call them -- "ideas," -
5:57 - 6:00of how Germany got to where they'd gotten
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6:00 - 6:01and how to get them out.
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6:02 - 6:05He spent entire chapters
in his book "Mein Kampf," -
6:05 - 6:07which I don't recommend reading,
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6:07 - 6:09about how Germany lost World War I
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6:09 - 6:13partially because the British
had better graphic design -
6:13 - 6:14and better propaganda.
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6:15 - 6:18So, as the Nazi Party rose,
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6:18 - 6:22Hitler created one of the thickest
brand guides I've ever seen. -
6:22 - 6:24It's thicker than most
company brand guides today, -
6:24 - 6:28and in it, he details titles and uniforms
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6:28 - 6:30and lots and lots of flags.
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6:31 - 6:32Hitler knew the power of flags.
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6:32 - 6:34He says in "Mein Kampf,"
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6:34 - 6:37"The new flag ... should prove
effective as a large poster, -
6:37 - 6:40[because] in hundreds
of thousands of cases -
6:40 - 6:42a really striking emblem
may be the first cause -
6:42 - 6:45of awakening interest
in a movement." -
6:46 - 6:48He was an artist, after all.
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6:48 - 6:52He knew the power
of visual identity and uniforms -
6:52 - 6:55could reignite the German identity.
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6:55 - 6:59And to millions of Germans,
this was a welcome sign. -
7:00 - 7:04But of course, this was also
a mark of death to others. -
7:05 - 7:08We don't often think of flags as weapons,
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7:09 - 7:11but like the Confederate battle flag,
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7:11 - 7:13the Germans used their flag
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7:13 - 7:17to make an out-group feel unwelcome
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7:17 - 7:18and less than.
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7:19 - 7:22You see, when you create a flag,
you immediately do two things: -
7:22 - 7:24you create an in-group,
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7:24 - 7:26a group that's meant
to be represented by the symbol, -
7:26 - 7:28but then, inevitably,
you create an out-group. -
7:28 - 7:30And usually, that's subtle.
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7:30 - 7:31It's a byproduct.
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7:31 - 7:33It's usually not the intent.
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7:34 - 7:38But the Germans were very clear
as to who was represented by the swastika -
7:38 - 7:39and who was not.
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7:40 - 7:45In 1935, Jewish people were banned
from flying German flags. -
7:46 - 7:48And in this way,
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7:48 - 7:52the Germans, maybe more than
any other time in history, -
7:52 - 7:54used the dual power of flags
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7:54 - 7:57to unite but also to divide.
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7:58 - 8:00Flags were used as identity weapons.
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8:01 - 8:05And now, in 2019, the Nazi flag
is banned from being flown -
8:05 - 8:07by anyone in Germany
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8:07 - 8:10and anyone in Austria, in Hungary,
in Russia and in Ukraine. -
8:11 - 8:12Think about that.
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8:12 - 8:14It's a piece of cloth, but it's banned.
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8:15 - 8:17On its face, that sounds crazy.
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8:18 - 8:20But I don't think anyone
in this room would disagree -
8:20 - 8:22that it's probably good.
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8:23 - 8:24Sounds a lot like a weapon.
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8:26 - 8:28As a vexillologist,
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8:28 - 8:31sometimes the most interesting
thing about a flag -
8:31 - 8:32is not so much its design,
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8:33 - 8:36but it's those laws around the flag.
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8:36 - 8:38For instance,
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8:38 - 8:41in India, to create an Indian flag,
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8:41 - 8:45you must use a hand-spun
cloth named "khadi." -
8:45 - 8:48If you make a flag out of anything else,
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8:48 - 8:51you could go to jail
for up to three years. -
8:51 - 8:52It's crazy.
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8:52 - 8:54Here in Texas,
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8:54 - 8:56we've all heard
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8:56 - 9:00that the Texas flag is the only state flag
that can fly at the same height -
9:00 - 9:01as the US, flag, right?
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9:01 - 9:03Because we were a nation
before we were a state. -
9:03 - 9:05Who here has heard that?
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9:05 - 9:06Yeah.
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9:06 - 9:10Well, I'm here to tell you
that is completely false. OK? -
9:10 - 9:15First of all, we were not the only state
that was a nation before joining up. -
9:15 - 9:19And secondly, all state flags can fly
at the same height as the US flag -
9:19 - 9:21according to the US flag code.
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9:22 - 9:25And I don't have to ask you
how you feel about this one, right? -
9:25 - 9:28Most of us grew up pledging allegiance
to this every morning, -
9:28 - 9:32knowing we should never
let it touch the ground, etc. -
9:32 - 9:36We take our flag code very seriously
here in the United States. -
9:37 - 9:41You remember, recently some NFL players
kneeling during the national anthem. -
9:41 - 9:43It was a big controversy.
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9:43 - 9:45They were breaking the flag code.
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9:45 - 9:47It states during the national anthem,
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9:47 - 9:49stand at attention,
hand at the heart, etc. -
9:49 - 9:52But what was fascinating to me
as a vexillologist -
9:52 - 9:55is that I didn't see
anyone getting upset -
9:55 - 9:57when something like this happens.
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9:58 - 10:02The flag code says, "The flag should never
be carried flat or horizontally, -
10:02 - 10:04but always aloft and free."
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10:04 - 10:06So sometimes during
the exact same national anthem, -
10:06 - 10:08this was being done,
and no one's upset. -
10:09 - 10:11Or this. This happens all the time.
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10:11 - 10:13The flag code is clear:
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10:13 - 10:18"No part of the flag should ever be used
as a costume or on an athletic uniform." -
10:18 - 10:20This is Texas A&M baseball,
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10:20 - 10:23not to get them in trouble,
but this happens all the time, -
10:23 - 10:25especially in November.
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10:26 - 10:29I'm sure, I can almost guarantee
when you leave here tonight, -
10:29 - 10:31you will see on the back
of someone's car or truck -
10:31 - 10:33a black and white American flag
with a blue stripe, -
10:33 - 10:35a thin blue line, right?
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10:35 - 10:36Blue Lives Matter.
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10:37 - 10:39That breaks the flag code
in multiple ways. -
10:39 - 10:43But all of these things are done
with the best intent. -
10:43 - 10:45No one's here to argue that.
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10:45 - 10:48But of course they break
a section of the flag code -
10:48 - 10:50titled "Respect for the Flag,"
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10:50 - 10:52so by putting this on your uniform,
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10:52 - 10:56you are legally disrespecting the flag.
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10:57 - 10:58And what I find interesting
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10:58 - 11:01is that those NFL players
kneeling during the anthem -
11:01 - 11:04and the people who would put
Blue Lives Matters stickers on their car -
11:04 - 11:07are both on the opposite end
of a very big issue, -
11:08 - 11:11but they're both breaking
the exact same law, -
11:12 - 11:16a law that is 100 percent unenforceable.
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11:18 - 11:22In fact, it was Dread Scott's
piece of art in 1989 -
11:22 - 11:26that led the Supreme Court to rule
that the flag code is just a guideline. -
11:26 - 11:28You cannot be prosecuted
for breaking the flag code. -
11:28 - 11:31You cannot be forced to be patriotic.
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11:32 - 11:37So why, then, have all of these
little laws around how we use our flag -
11:37 - 11:39if you can't enforce them?
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11:40 - 11:43And that's because a nation
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11:43 - 11:45is a fragile collective idea.
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11:45 - 11:48It only exists in our minds.
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11:49 - 11:50Can I see this? Thank you.
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11:52 - 11:58Sometimes a flag is the only
tangible symbol of that idea. -
11:58 - 12:04Right? Our unity is sometimes
only held together by literal threads. -
12:05 - 12:06And that's powerful.
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12:07 - 12:11The flag code is meant to preserve
and protect that fragile idea, -
12:11 - 12:14while also protecting
your right to break it. -
12:15 - 12:18And that's what's special
about the United States, right? -
12:18 - 12:20And that's what's unique about our flag.
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12:20 - 12:22Our flag is amazing.
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12:22 - 12:25It has changed more than
any other flag in the world. -
12:25 - 12:29It's the flag code that says
when a new state is created, -
12:29 - 12:31a star shall be added
to the union of the flag, -
12:31 - 12:35and such addition shall take place
on the fourth day of July. -
12:36 - 12:41Our flag is unique because
it is meant to grow as we grow. -
12:41 - 12:43By design and by law,
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12:43 - 12:46it is meant to change with us.
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12:46 - 12:48It's a living symbol of our individuality,
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12:48 - 12:51our diversity in the stars
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12:51 - 12:52and our unity.
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12:53 - 12:58We have a gift in the United States
to have a flag that is inclusive. -
12:58 - 13:01If the Nazi flag was an identity weapon,
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13:01 - 13:06the United States flag, by design alone,
stands in direct contrast. -
13:07 - 13:11And I have to say,
as a vexillologist in 2019, -
13:11 - 13:12using this flag
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13:12 - 13:15as an identity weapon against anyone
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13:15 - 13:18disrespects it far more
than letting it touch the ground -
13:19 - 13:22or any one of the other little laws
that we break every day. -
13:23 - 13:24Right?
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13:26 - 13:30This flag is a symbol of our unity.
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13:30 - 13:34We should never use this as a weapon
against someone else. -
13:34 - 13:38I resonate so deeply with the person
who wrote in Dread Scott's journal, -
13:38 - 13:43"We should never value the symbol
over the thing that it symbolizes. -
13:43 - 13:47We should never value a piece of cloth
over a human life." -
13:48 - 13:51And if you're ever going to use
a piece of cloth as a weapon, -
13:51 - 13:53you should never use this one,
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13:53 - 13:56not when it has always
had room for more stars. -
13:57 - 14:00Hopefully by now, you've felt
the power of flags, -
14:01 - 14:03and you can see what they can do.
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14:04 - 14:06So what if we harnessed that power,
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14:06 - 14:09and we used it to fight
for something greater? -
14:11 - 14:13This is the flag of Earth,
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14:14 - 14:17designed by Oskar Pernefeldt of Sweden.
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14:18 - 14:20Just imagine with me for a second:
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14:20 - 14:24What if we celebrated our humanity
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14:24 - 14:26as much if not more
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14:26 - 14:28than we celebrate our nationalities?
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14:29 - 14:33As we become a spacefaring civilization
and we go off into the stars, -
14:33 - 14:35what do our nations mean anyway
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14:35 - 14:39when you're standing on the surface
of Mars or any other planet? -
14:40 - 14:42And then of course, back here on Earth,
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14:43 - 14:46as our planet is facing a climate crisis,
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14:46 - 14:50as our climate could be unlivable in
our children or grandchildren's lifetime, -
14:50 - 14:54I believe we need a strong symbol, a flag,
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14:54 - 14:57to unite us to fight,
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14:57 - 14:58not just as nations,
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14:58 - 15:00but as a species.
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15:01 - 15:03Thank you.
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15:03 - 15:05(Applause)
- Title:
- How flags unite (and divide) us
- Speaker:
- Michael Green
- Description:
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Flags are one of the simplest yet most powerful pieces of design ever conceived. They can make us swell with pride, burn with hatred -- and even inspire people to die or kill in their name, says vexillologist Michael Green. Take a brief walk through history as Green explores the symbolic fervor behind flags that unify and divide, inviting us to imagine a future where we can come together under one collective identity: humanity.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 15:18
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