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A juror's reflections on the death penalty

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    It was a Thursday,
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    June the 23rd, 1994.
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    "Collect your belongings.
    You are free to go.
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    When escorted outside,
    go directly to your car.
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    Do not talk to reporters."
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    My head is spinning,
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    my heart is racing,
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    I can't get a breath.
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    I just want out of there.
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    When I get to my car,
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    I throw everything on the back,
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    and I just collapse
    into the driver's seat.
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    I can't do this.
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    I can't go home to my family
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    that I haven't seen in a week
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    and pretend to be happy.
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    Not even their love and support
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    could help me at this particular time.
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    We had just sentenced a man to death.
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    Now what?
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    Just go home and wash dishes?
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    You see, in Mississippi,
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    the death penalty is like a part
    of our unspoken culture.
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    The basic logic is, if you murder someone,
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    then you're going to receive
    the death penalty.
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    So when the jury
    selection process took place,
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    they asked me,
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    "Could you, if the evidence presented
    justified the death penalty,
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    could you deliver,
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    rationally and without reservations,
    a penalty of death?"
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    My answer was an astounding yes,
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    and I was selected as Juror Number 2.
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    The trial started.
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    From the evidence being presented
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    and from the pictures of the victim,
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    my first response was yes,
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    this man is a monster,
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    and he deserves the death penalty.
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    For days, I sat and looked at his hands,
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    the ones that wielded the knife,
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    and his pasty, up well
    against his pasty white skin,
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    his eyes,
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    well he spent endless days in his cell,
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    no sunlight,
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    so his eyes were as black
    as his hair and his mustache.
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    He was very intimidating,
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    and there was absolutely
    no doubt in his guilt.
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    But regardless of his guilt,
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    as the days passed,
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    I began to see this monster
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    as a human being.
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    Something inside of me was changing
    that I just didn't understand.
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    I was beginning to question myself
    as to whether or not I wanted
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    to give this man the death penalty.
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    Jury deliberations began,
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    and the judge gave us jury instructions,
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    and it was to be used as a tool
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    in how to reach a verdict.
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    Well, using this tool
    only led to one decision,
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    and that was the death penalty.
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    I felt backed into a corner.
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    My head and my heart
    were in conflict with each other,
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    and the thought of the death penalty
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    made me sick.
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    However, following
    the judge's instructions,
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    being a law-abiding person,
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    I gave up.
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    I gave up and voted along
    with the other 11 jurors.
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    And there it was,
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    our broken judicial system at work.
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    So here I am in my car,
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    and I'm wondering,
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    how is my life ever going to be the same?
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    My life was kids, work,
    church, ball games,
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    just your average, normal, everyday life.
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    Now, everything felt trivial.
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    I was going down this rabbit hole.
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    The anger, the anxiety,
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    the guilt, the depression,
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    it just clung to me.
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    I knew that my life had to resume,
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    so I sought counseling.
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    The counselor diagnosed me with PTSD,
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    and told me that the best way
    to overcome the PTSD
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    was to talk about the trauma.
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    However, if I talked
    or tried to talk about the trauma
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    outside her office, I was shut down.
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    No one wanted to hear about it.
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    He was just a murderer. Get over it.
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    It was then that I decided
    to become a silent survivor.
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    Twelve years later, 2006,
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    I learned that Bobby Wilcher
    had dropped all of his appeals,
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    and his execution date was approaching.
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    That was like a punch in the stomach.
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    All of those buried feelings
    just started coming back.
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    To try and find peace,
    I called Bobby's attorney and said,
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    "Can I see Bobby before he's executed?"
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    Driving to the penitentiary
    on the day of his execution,
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    in my mind,
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    Bobby was going to be manic,
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    but surprisingly he was very calm,
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    and for two hours, he and I sat there
    and talked about life,
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    and I got to ask him to forgive me
    for my hand in his death.
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    His words to me were,
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    "You don't have to apologize.
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    You didn't put me here.
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    I did this myself.
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    But if it'll make you feel better,
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    I forgive you."
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    On my way home,
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    I stopped by a restaurant
    and bought a margarita.
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    (Laughter)
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    I don't think I could
    get one big enough, but
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    (Laughter)
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    to try and calm down.
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    My phone rang.
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    It was Bobby's attorney.
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    Within two minutes of his execution,
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    they had given him a stay.
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    This stay gave me time
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    to reach out to Bobby,
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    and as crazy as it may sound,
    we became friends.
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    Three months later,
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    he was executed
    by the State of Mississippi.
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    I'm here to tell you my story,
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    because it was precisely 22 years later
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    that I even wanted to open up
    enough to talk about it,
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    when a friend encouraged me to,
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    "Hey, perhaps you need to talk
    to the other jurors.
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    You've been through the same experience."
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    Uncertain of what I was after,
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    I did need to talk to them,
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    so I set out on my quest,
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    and I actually found most of them.
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    The first juror I met
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    thought that Bobby got what he deserved.
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    Another juror, well,
    they just kind of regretted
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    that it took so long
    to carry the sentence out.
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    Then one juror, and I don't know
    what was wrong with him,
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    but he didn't remember
    anything about the trial.
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    (Laughter)
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    Well, I'm thinking in my mind,
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    "Jeez, is this the response
    I'm gonna get from everybody else?"
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    Well, thank God for Allen.
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    Allen was a gentle soul,
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    and when I talked to him,
    he was genuinely upset
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    about our decision,
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    and he told me about the day
    that the devastation
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    really set in on him and hit him.
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    He was listening to the radio,
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    and the radio had a list of names
    of men to be executed
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    at Parchman Penitentiary.
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    He heard Bobby's name,
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    and he then truly realized
    what he had done,
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    and he said, "You know, I had
    a responsibility in that man's death."
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    Now here it is, 20-something years later,
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    and Allen is still dealing
    with that issue,
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    and he's never told anyone about it,
    not even his wife.
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    He also told me
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    that if the State of Mississippi
    wanted to keep the death penalty,
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    then hey, they needed to provide
    counseling for the jurors.
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    Then the next juror I met was Jane.
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    Jane is now totally
    against the death penalty,
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    And there was Bill.
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    Bill said he had this
    crushing depression for weeks,
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    and when he went back to work,
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    his colleagues would say
    things to him like,
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    "Hey, did you fry him?"
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    To them, it was just a joke.
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    Then there was Jon.
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    Jon said his decision weighed on him,
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    and it burdened him daily.
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    The final juror that I spoke to was Ken.
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    Ken was the foreman of the jury.
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    When we sat down to talk,
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    it was apparent that he was deeply
    saddened by what we were required to do.
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    He relived the day
    that he left the courthouse
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    and he drove home
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    and he went to put his key
    in his door and unlock it,
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    and he said he literally broke down.
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    He said he knew that Bobby was guilty,
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    but the decision he made,
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    he did not know
    if it was the right decision,
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    and he said that he played it
    over and over in his head.
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    Did we do the right thing?
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    Did we do the right thing?
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    Did we do the right thing?
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    All those years,
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    and I finally realized that I was not
    the only disillusioned juror,
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    and we talked about sharing our experience
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    with potential jurors
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    to give them some insight
    into what to expect,
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    and to tell them, do not be complacent,
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    to know what you believe,
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    to know where you stand and be prepared,
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    because you don't want
    to walk in one morning as a juror
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    and leave at the end of the trial
    feeling like a murderer.
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    Now, through this storm in my life,
    I did find some inspiration,
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    and it came in the form
    of my granddaughters.
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    My 14-year old granddaughter ??
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    was writing an essay
    on the death penalty for school,
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    and she was asking me questions.
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    Well, it dawned on me was being raised in
    the same eye-for-an-eye culture as I was,
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    or had been,
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    and so I explained my experience
    to her this way:
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    that I had sentenced someone to death
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    as I served on a jury,
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    and I asked her,
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    "Did that make me a murderer?"
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    She couldn't answer.
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    I knew then that this topic
    needed to be open for discussion,
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    and guess what happened?
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    I got invited to speak, just recently,
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    in an abolitionist community.
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    While I was there, I got a t-shirt,
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    and it says, "Stop Executions."
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    Well, when I get home, my 16-year old
    granddaughter was there, Anna,
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    and she says, "Can I have that shirt?"
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    Well I looked at her dad --
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    her dad is my son --
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    and I knew that he is still dealing
    with this death penalty issue,
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    so I turned around
    and I looked at her, and I said,
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    "Are you gonna wear this?"
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    So she turned and she looked at her dad,
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    and she said, "Dad, I know how you feel,
    but I don't believe in the death penalty."
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    My son looked at me,
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    shook his head, and said,
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    "Thanks, mom."
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    And I knew it wasn't a nice "Thanks, mom."
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    (Laughter)
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    So I learned that life
    had taught me some lessons.
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    It taught me, if I had
    not served on that jury,
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    that I would still be of the same mindset.
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    It also gave me confidence
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    to be able to see through
    the eyes of my granddaughters
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    that this younger generation,
    they're capable and they're willing
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    to tackle these difficult social issues.
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    And because of my experience,
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    my granddaughters,
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    they're now more equipped
    to stand on their own
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    and to think for themselves
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    than to rely on cultural beliefs.
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    So being from a conservative,
    Christian family
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    from a very conservative state
    in the United States,
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    I am here to tell you
    that the death penalty
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    has new opponents.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
A juror's reflections on the death penalty
Speaker:
Lindy Lou Isonhood
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Video Language:
English
Team:
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Project:
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Duration:
16:00

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