A juror's reflections on the death penalty
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0:01 - 0:04It was a Thursday,
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0:04 - 0:07June the 23rd, 1994.
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0:11 - 0:12(Sighs)
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0:12 - 0:15"Collect your belongings.
You are free to go. -
0:17 - 0:21When escorted outside,
go directly to your car. -
0:21 - 0:24Do not talk to reporters."
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0:25 - 0:27My head is spinning,
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0:27 - 0:28my heart is racing,
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0:28 - 0:30I can't get a breath.
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0:31 - 0:33I just want out of there.
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0:36 - 0:37When I get to my car,
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0:38 - 0:39I throw everything on the back,
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0:40 - 0:43and I just collapse
into the driver's seat. -
0:44 - 0:45"I can't do this.
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0:45 - 0:49I can't go home to my family
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0:50 - 0:53that I haven't seen in a week
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0:54 - 0:56and pretend to be happy."
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0:59 - 1:02Not even their love and support
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1:02 - 1:05could help me at this particular time.
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1:08 - 1:11We had just sentenced a man to death.
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1:14 - 1:16Now what?
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1:17 - 1:19Just go home and wash dishes?
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1:21 - 1:24You see, in Mississippi,
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1:25 - 1:29the death penalty is like a part
of our unspoken culture. -
1:32 - 1:35The basic logic is, if you murder someone,
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1:35 - 1:38then you're going to receive
the death penalty. -
1:40 - 1:45So when the jury selection
process took place, -
1:46 - 1:47they asked me,
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1:50 - 1:51"Could you,
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1:52 - 1:57if the evidence presented
justified the death penalty, -
1:57 - 1:59could you deliver,
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1:59 - 2:02rationally and without reservations,
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2:02 - 2:04a penalty of death?"
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2:06 - 2:09My answer was an astounding "yes,"
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2:10 - 2:12and I was selected as Juror Number 2.
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2:14 - 2:16The trial started.
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2:17 - 2:19From the evidence being presented
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2:20 - 2:23and from the pictures of the victim,
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2:23 - 2:28my first response was,
"Yes, this man is a monster, -
2:28 - 2:30and he deserves the death penalty."
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2:32 - 2:37For days, I sat and looked at his hands,
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2:37 - 2:40the ones that yielded the knife,
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2:42 - 2:46and against his pasty white skin,
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2:47 - 2:48his eyes ...
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2:49 - 2:52Well, he spent endless days in his cell,
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2:52 - 2:54no sunlight,
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2:54 - 2:58so his eyes were as black
as his hair and his mustache. -
2:59 - 3:01He was very intimidating,
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3:02 - 3:07and there was absolutely
no doubt in his guilt. -
3:09 - 3:11But regardless of his guilt,
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3:11 - 3:14as the days passed,
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3:14 - 3:18I began to see this monster
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3:19 - 3:21as a human being.
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3:22 - 3:26Something inside of me was changing
that I just didn't understand. -
3:27 - 3:30I was beginning to question myself
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3:30 - 3:34as to whether or not I wanted
to give this man the death penalty. -
3:36 - 3:38Jury deliberations began,
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3:39 - 3:43and the judge gave us jury instructions
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3:44 - 3:47and it was to be used as a tool
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3:47 - 3:50in how to reach a verdict.
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3:51 - 3:56Well, using this tool
only led to one decision, -
3:56 - 3:57and that was the death penalty.
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3:59 - 4:01I felt backed into a corner.
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4:01 - 4:05My head and my heart
were in conflict with each other, -
4:05 - 4:07and the thought of the death penalty
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4:07 - 4:08made me sick.
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4:11 - 4:16However, following
the judge's instructions, -
4:16 - 4:19being a law-abiding person,
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4:20 - 4:21I gave up.
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4:22 - 4:27I gave up and voted along
with the other 11 jurors. -
4:29 - 4:30And there it was:
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4:31 - 4:35our broken judicial system at work.
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4:38 - 4:40So here I am in my car,
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4:40 - 4:42and I'm wondering:
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4:42 - 4:46How is my life ever going to be the same?
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4:47 - 4:52My life was kids, work,
church, ball games -- -
4:53 - 4:56just your average, normal, everyday life.
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4:57 - 4:59Now everything felt trivial.
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4:59 - 5:02I was going down this rabbit hole.
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5:03 - 5:06The anger, the anxiety,
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5:06 - 5:09the guilt, the depression ...
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5:09 - 5:11it just clung to me.
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5:12 - 5:16I knew that my life had to resume,
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5:17 - 5:19so I sought counseling.
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5:19 - 5:23The counselor diagnosed me with PTSD
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5:23 - 5:28and told me that the best way
to overcome the PTSD -
5:29 - 5:30was to talk about the trauma.
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5:32 - 5:37However, if I talked or tried
to talk about the trauma -
5:37 - 5:38outside her office,
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5:38 - 5:40I was shut down.
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5:40 - 5:43No one wanted to hear about it.
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5:43 - 5:47He was just a murderer. Get over it.
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5:48 - 5:53It was then that I decided
to become a silent survivor. -
5:54 - 5:57Twelve years later, 2006,
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5:58 - 6:03I learned that Bobby Wilcher
had dropped all of his appeals, -
6:03 - 6:07and his execution date was approaching.
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6:07 - 6:09That was like a punch in the stomach.
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6:10 - 6:14All of those buried feelings
just started coming back. -
6:16 - 6:21To try and find peace,
I called Bobby's attorney, and I said, -
6:21 - 6:23"Can I see Bobby before he's executed?"
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6:24 - 6:29Driving to the penitentiary
on the day of his execution, -
6:29 - 6:31in my mind,
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6:31 - 6:33Bobby was going to be manic.
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6:34 - 6:38But, surprisingly, he was very calm.
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6:39 - 6:44And for two hours, he and I sat there
and talked about life, -
6:45 - 6:51and I got to ask him to forgive me
for my hand in his death. -
6:52 - 6:54His words to me were:
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6:55 - 6:57"You don't have to apologize.
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6:57 - 6:59You didn't put me here.
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6:59 - 7:01I did this myself.
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7:02 - 7:04But if it'll make you feel better,
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7:04 - 7:05I forgive you."
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7:07 - 7:09On my way home,
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7:09 - 7:13I stopped by a restaurant
and bought a margarita. -
7:13 - 7:17(Laughter)
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7:17 - 7:19I don't think I could
get one big enough -- -
7:19 - 7:20(Laughter)
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7:20 - 7:22to try and calm down.
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7:23 - 7:25My phone rang.
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7:26 - 7:28It was Bobby's attorney.
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7:29 - 7:32Within two minutes of his execution,
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7:32 - 7:34they had given him a stay.
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7:36 - 7:40This stay gave me time
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7:40 - 7:42to reach out to Bobby.
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7:43 - 7:45And as crazy as it may sound,
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7:45 - 7:47we became friends.
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7:49 - 7:51Three months later,
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7:51 - 7:54he was executed
by the State of Mississippi. -
7:55 - 8:00I'm here to tell you my story,
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8:01 - 8:06because it was precisely 22 years later
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8:06 - 8:10that I even wanted to open up
enough to talk about it, -
8:11 - 8:13when a friend encouraged me.
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8:14 - 8:18"Hey, perhaps you need to talk
to the other jurors. -
8:18 - 8:21You've been through the same experience."
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8:22 - 8:25Uncertain of what I was after,
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8:25 - 8:26I did need to talk to them.
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8:27 - 8:29So I set out on my quest,
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8:31 - 8:33and I actually found most of them.
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8:33 - 8:35The first juror I met
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8:36 - 8:38thought that Bobby got what he deserved.
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8:39 - 8:40Another juror --
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8:41 - 8:45well, they just kind of regretted
that it took so long -
8:45 - 8:47to carry the sentence out.
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8:47 - 8:50Then one juror, and I don't know
what was wrong with him, -
8:50 - 8:53but he didn't remember
anything about the trial. -
8:53 - 8:54(Laughter)
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8:54 - 8:56Well,
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8:57 - 8:59I'm thinking in my mind,
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8:59 - 9:03"Jeez, is this the response
I'm gonna get from everybody else?" -
9:04 - 9:07Well, thank God for Allen.
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9:08 - 9:10Allen was a gentle soul.
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9:11 - 9:15And when I talked to him,
he was genuinely upset -
9:15 - 9:17about our decision.
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9:17 - 9:22And he told me about the day
that the devastation -
9:22 - 9:25really set in on him and hit him.
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9:26 - 9:28He was listening to the radio,
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9:28 - 9:34and the radio had a list of names
of men to be executed -
9:34 - 9:35at Parchman Penitentiary.
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9:37 - 9:39He heard Bobby's name,
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9:39 - 9:43and he then truly realized
what he had done. -
9:43 - 9:48And he said, "You know, I had
a responsibility in that man's death." -
9:49 - 9:52Now here it is, 20-something years later,
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9:52 - 9:55and Allen is still dealing
with that issue. -
9:56 - 10:00And he's never told anyone about it,
not even his wife. -
10:02 - 10:03He also told me
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10:04 - 10:07that if the State of Mississippi
wanted to keep the death penalty, -
10:07 - 10:12then hey, they needed to provide
counseling for the jurors. -
10:13 - 10:16Then the next juror I met was Jane.
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10:16 - 10:19Jane is now totally
against the death penalty, -
10:19 - 10:21And there was Bill.
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10:21 - 10:27Bill said he had this
crushing depression for weeks, -
10:27 - 10:29and when he went back to work,
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10:29 - 10:32his colleagues would say
things to him like, -
10:32 - 10:34"Hey, did you fry him?"
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10:34 - 10:36To them, it was just a joke.
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10:37 - 10:39Then there was Jon.
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10:39 - 10:43Jon said his decision weighed on him,
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10:43 - 10:45and it burdened him daily.
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10:47 - 10:50The final juror that I spoke to was Ken.
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10:50 - 10:52Ken was the foreman of the jury.
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10:53 - 10:55When we sat down to talk,
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10:56 - 11:03it was apparent that he was deeply
saddened by what we were required to do. -
11:03 - 11:08He relived the day
that he left the courthouse -
11:08 - 11:10and he drove home
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11:10 - 11:13and he went to put his key
in his door and unlock it, -
11:13 - 11:16and he said he literally broke down.
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11:18 - 11:21He said he knew that Bobby was guilty,
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11:21 - 11:24but the decision he made,
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11:24 - 11:27he did not know
if it was the right decision. -
11:28 - 11:31And he said that he played it
over and over in his head. -
11:32 - 11:34Did we do the right thing?
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11:35 - 11:37Did we do the right thing?
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11:38 - 11:41Did we do the right thing?
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11:44 - 11:45(Sighs)
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11:46 - 11:48All those years,
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11:49 - 11:54and I finally realized that I was not
the only disillusioned juror. -
11:55 - 12:00And we talked about sharing our experience
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12:00 - 12:02with potential jurors
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12:03 - 12:07to give them some insight
into what to expect, -
12:08 - 12:11and to tell them do not be complacent;
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12:12 - 12:15to know what you believe;
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12:15 - 12:18to know where you stand and be prepared,
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12:19 - 12:25because you don't want
to walk in one morning as a juror -
12:25 - 12:29and leave at the end of the trial
feeling like a murderer. -
12:31 - 12:35Now, through this storm in my life,
I did find some inspiration, -
12:35 - 12:37and it came in the form
of my granddaughters. -
12:39 - 12:41My 14-year-old granddaughter, Maddie,
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12:42 - 12:45was writing an essay
on the death penalty for school, -
12:45 - 12:47and she was asking me questions.
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12:48 - 12:51Well, it dawned on me
that this child was being raised -
12:51 - 12:55in the same eye-for-an-eye culture
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12:56 - 12:58as I was,
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12:58 - 12:59or had been.
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13:00 - 13:04And so I explained my experience
to her this way: -
13:05 - 13:09that I had sentenced someone to death
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13:10 - 13:12as I served on a jury.
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13:12 - 13:14And I asked her,
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13:14 - 13:16"Did that make me a murderer?"
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13:18 - 13:19She couldn't answer.
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13:20 - 13:24I knew then that this topic
needed to be open for discussion. -
13:24 - 13:26And guess what happened?
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13:27 - 13:30I got invited to speak, just recently,
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13:30 - 13:33in an abolitionist community.
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13:34 - 13:36While I was there, I got a T-shirt.
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13:37 - 13:39It says, "Stop Executions."
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13:40 - 13:44Well, when I get home, my 16-year-old
granddaughter was there, Anna, -
13:45 - 13:47and she says, "Can I have that shirt?"
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13:48 - 13:50Well, I looked at her dad --
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13:51 - 13:52her dad is my son --
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13:53 - 13:57and I knew that he is still dealing
with this death penalty issue. -
13:58 - 14:00So I turned around
and I looked at her, and I said, -
14:01 - 14:02"Are you gonna wear this?"
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14:03 - 14:06So she turned and she looked
at her dad, and she said, -
14:06 - 14:07"Dad, I know how you feel,
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14:07 - 14:11but I don't believe in the death penalty."
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14:12 - 14:15My son looked at me,
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14:15 - 14:18shook his head, and said,
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14:20 - 14:21"Thanks, Mom."
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14:22 - 14:25And I knew it wasn't a nice "Thanks, Mom."
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14:26 - 14:27(Laughter)
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14:28 - 14:32So I learned that life
had taught me some lessons. -
14:34 - 14:39It taught me, if I had
not served on that jury, -
14:40 - 14:44that I would still be of the same mindset.
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14:45 - 14:48It also gave me confidence
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14:48 - 14:52to be able to see through
the eyes of my granddaughters, -
14:52 - 14:57that this younger generation,
they're capable and they're willing -
14:57 - 15:01to tackle these difficult social issues.
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15:02 - 15:05And because of my experience,
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15:05 - 15:06my granddaughters,
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15:07 - 15:12they're now more equipped
to stand on their own -
15:12 - 15:14and to think for themselves
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15:14 - 15:19than to rely on cultural beliefs.
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15:20 - 15:21So:
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15:22 - 15:26being from a conservative,
Christian family -
15:26 - 15:31from a very conservative state
in the United States, -
15:32 - 15:34I am here to tell you
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15:34 - 15:39that the death penalty has new opponents.
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15:40 - 15:41Thank you.
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15:41 - 15:45(Applause)
- Title:
- A juror's reflections on the death penalty
- Speaker:
- Lindy Lou Isonhood
- Description:
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Lindy Lou Isonhood grew up in a town where the death penalty was a fact of life, part of the unspoken culture. But after she served as a juror in a capital murder trial -- and voted "yes" to sentencing a guilty man to death -- something inside her changed. In this engaging and personal talk, Isonhood reflects on the question she's been asking herself in the 20 years since the trial: Am I a murderer?
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 16:00
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Oliver Friedman edited English subtitles for A juror's reflections on the death penalty | |
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Oliver Friedman edited English subtitles for A juror's reflections on the death penalty | |
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Camille Martínez accepted English subtitles for A juror's reflections on the death penalty | |
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Camille Martínez edited English subtitles for A juror's reflections on the death penalty |