What if we ended the injustice of bail?
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0:01 - 0:04I will never forget the first time
I visited a client in jail. -
0:05 - 0:07The heavy, metal door slammed behind me,
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0:07 - 0:10and I heard the key turn in the lock.
-
0:10 - 0:13The cement floor underneath me
had a sticky film on it -
0:13 - 0:15that made a ripping sound,
-
0:15 - 0:18like tape being pulled off a box,
-
0:18 - 0:19every time I moved my foot.
-
0:20 - 0:25The only connection to the outside world
was a small window placed too high to see. -
0:25 - 0:28There was a small, square table
bolted to the floor -
0:29 - 0:30and two metal chairs,
-
0:30 - 0:32one on either side.
-
0:32 - 0:36That was the first time
I understood viscerally -- -
0:36 - 0:38just for a fleeting moment --
-
0:38 - 0:40what incarceration might feel like.
-
0:41 - 0:45And I promised myself all those years ago
as a young, public defender -
0:45 - 0:48that I would never,
ever forget that feeling. -
0:48 - 0:50And I never have.
-
0:50 - 0:54It inspired me to fight for each
and every one of my clients' freedom -
0:54 - 0:56as if it was my own.
-
0:57 - 0:58Freedom.
-
0:59 - 1:02A concept so fundamental
to the American psyche -
1:02 - 1:05that it is enshrined in our constitution.
-
1:06 - 1:10And yet, America is addicted
to imprisonment. -
1:11 - 1:14From slavery through mass incarceration,
-
1:14 - 1:15it always has been.
-
1:16 - 1:19Look, we all know the shocking numbers.
-
1:19 - 1:21The United States incarcerates
more people per capita -
1:21 - 1:24than almost any nation on the planet.
-
1:25 - 1:29But what you may not know
is that on any given night in America, -
1:29 - 1:33almost half a million people go to sleep
in those concrete jail cells -
1:33 - 1:37who have not been convicted of anything.
-
1:38 - 1:42These mothers and fathers
and sons and daughters -
1:42 - 1:45are there for one reason
and one reason only: -
1:45 - 1:48they cannot afford to pay
the price of their freedom. -
1:49 - 1:52And that price is called bail.
-
1:53 - 1:57Now, bail was actually created
as a form of conditional release. -
1:57 - 1:58The theory was simple:
-
1:58 - 2:01set bail at an amount
that somebody could afford to pay -- -
2:01 - 2:02they would pay it --
-
2:02 - 2:05it would give them an incentive
to come back to court; -
2:05 - 2:07it would give them some skin in the game.
-
2:07 - 2:11Bail was never intended
to be used as punishment. -
2:11 - 2:15Bail was never intended
to hold people in jail cells. -
2:15 - 2:21And bail was never, ever intended
to create a two-tier system of justice: -
2:21 - 2:24one for the rich
and one for everybody else. -
2:24 - 2:27But that is precisely what it has done.
-
2:28 - 2:31Seventy-five percent of people
in American local jails -
2:31 - 2:33are there because they cannot pay bail.
-
2:34 - 2:36People like Ramel.
-
2:37 - 2:38On a chilly October afternoon,
-
2:38 - 2:41Ramel was riding his bicycle
in his South Bronx neighborhood -
2:41 - 2:43on his way to a market
to pick up a quart of milk. -
2:44 - 2:45He was stopped by the police.
-
2:45 - 2:48And when he demanded to know
why he was being stopped, -
2:48 - 2:50an argument ensued,
and the next thing he knew, -
2:50 - 2:52he was on the ground in handcuffs,
-
2:52 - 2:55being charged with "riding
your bicycle on the sidewalk -
2:55 - 2:56and resisting arrest."
-
2:57 - 2:58He was taken to court,
-
2:58 - 3:01where a judge set 500 dollars bail.
-
3:01 - 3:04But Ramel -- he didn't have 500 dollars.
-
3:04 - 3:08So this 32-year-old father
was sent to "The Boat" -- -
3:08 - 3:12a floating jail barge
that sits on the East River -
3:12 - 3:14between a sewage plant and a fish market.
-
3:15 - 3:17That's right, you heard me.
-
3:17 - 3:20In New York City, in 2018,
-
3:20 - 3:25we have a floating prison barge
that sits out there -
3:25 - 3:28and houses primarily black and brown men
-
3:28 - 3:30who cannot pay their bail.
-
3:32 - 3:33Let's talk for a moment
-
3:33 - 3:37about what it means to be in jail
even for a few days. -
3:37 - 3:40Well, it can mean losing your job,
-
3:40 - 3:42losing your home,
-
3:42 - 3:44jeopardizing your immigration status.
-
3:44 - 3:47It may even mean
losing custody of your children. -
3:48 - 3:50A third of sexual
victimization by jail staff -
3:50 - 3:53happens in the first three days in jail,
-
3:53 - 3:57and almost half of all jail deaths,
including suicides, -
3:57 - 3:59happen in that first week.
-
4:00 - 4:03What's more,
if you're held in jail on bail, -
4:03 - 4:06you're four times more likely
to get a jail sentence -
4:06 - 4:07than if you had been free,
-
4:07 - 4:10and that jail sentence
will be three times longer. -
4:11 - 4:15And if you are black or Latino
and cash bail has been set, -
4:15 - 4:20you are two times more likely
to remain stuck in that jail cell -
4:20 - 4:21than if you were white.
-
4:22 - 4:28Jail in America is a terrifying,
dehumanizing and violent experience. -
4:30 - 4:35Now imagine for just one moment
that it's you stuck in that jail cell, -
4:35 - 4:38and you don't have
the 500 dollars to get out. -
4:39 - 4:43And someone comes along
and offers you a way out. -
4:44 - 4:46"Just plead guilty," they say.
-
4:47 - 4:49"You can go home back to your job.
-
4:49 - 4:51Just plead guilty.
-
4:51 - 4:53You can kiss your kids goodnight tonight."
-
4:54 - 4:57So you do what anybody
would do in that situation. -
4:57 - 5:00You plead guilty
whether you did it or not. -
5:01 - 5:04But now you have a criminal record
-
5:04 - 5:06that's going to follow you
for the rest of your life. -
5:08 - 5:11Jailing people because they don't have
enough money to pay bail -
5:11 - 5:15is one of the most unfair,
immoral things we do as a society. -
5:15 - 5:18But it is also expensive
and counterproductive. -
5:19 - 5:21American taxpayers --
-
5:21 - 5:25they spend 14 billion dollars annually
holding people in jail cells -
5:25 - 5:27who haven't been convicted of anything.
-
5:27 - 5:30That's 40 million dollars a day.
-
5:31 - 5:34What's perhaps more confounding
is it doesn't make us any safer. -
5:35 - 5:37Research is clear
that holding somebody in jail -
5:37 - 5:41makes you significantly more likely
to commit a crime when you get out -
5:41 - 5:45than if you had been free all along.
-
5:46 - 5:50Freedom makes all the difference.
-
5:52 - 5:53Low-income communities
-
5:53 - 5:56and communities of color
have known that for generations. -
5:57 - 6:02Together, they have pooled their resources
to buy their loved ones freedom -
6:02 - 6:05for as long as bondage
and jail cells existed. -
6:06 - 6:09But the reach of the criminal legal system
has grown too enormous, -
6:09 - 6:11and the numbers have just too large.
-
6:12 - 6:16Ninety-nine percent of jail growth
in America has been the result -- -
6:16 - 6:18over the last 20 years --
-
6:18 - 6:20of pre-trial incarceration.
-
6:22 - 6:25I have been a public defender
for over half my life, -
6:25 - 6:29and I have stood by and watched
thousands of clients -
6:29 - 6:31as they were dragged into those jail cells
-
6:31 - 6:33because they didn't have
enough money to pay bail. -
6:33 - 6:38I have watched as questions of justice
were subsumed by questions of money, -
6:38 - 6:42calling into question the legitimacy
of the entire American legal system. -
6:43 - 6:46I am here to say something simple --
-
6:46 - 6:48something obvious,
-
6:48 - 6:50but something urgent.
-
6:51 - 6:54Freedom makes all the difference,
-
6:54 - 6:58and freedom should be free.
-
6:58 - 7:05(Applause)
-
7:06 - 7:08But how are we going to make that happen?
-
7:08 - 7:11Well, that's the question
I was wrestling with over a decade ago -
7:11 - 7:14when I was sitting at a kitchen table
with my husband, David, -
7:14 - 7:16who is also a public defender.
-
7:16 - 7:19We were eating our Chinese takeout
and venting about the injustice of it all -
7:19 - 7:22when David looked up and said,
-
7:22 - 7:24"Why don't we just start a bail fund,
-
7:24 - 7:26and just start bailing
our clients out of jail?" -
7:27 - 7:29And in that unexpected moment,
-
7:29 - 7:32the idea for the Bronx
Freedom Fund was born. -
7:33 - 7:35Look, we didn't know what to expect.
-
7:35 - 7:38There were plenty of people
that told us we were crazy -
7:38 - 7:40and we were going
to lose all of the money. -
7:40 - 7:43People wouldn't come back
because they didn't have any stake in it. -
7:43 - 7:45But what if clients did come back?
-
7:46 - 7:50We knew that bail money comes back
at the end of a criminal case, -
7:50 - 7:52so it could come back into the fund,
-
7:52 - 7:57and we could use it over and over again
for more and more bail. -
7:57 - 7:58That was our big bet,
-
7:58 - 8:00and that bet paid off.
-
8:00 - 8:02Over the past 10 years,
-
8:02 - 8:05we have been paying bails for low-income
residents of New York City, -
8:05 - 8:09and what we have learned
has exploded our ideas -
8:09 - 8:11of why people come back to court
-
8:11 - 8:14and how the criminal
legal system itself is operated. -
8:15 - 8:18Turns out money isn't what makes
people come back to court. -
8:18 - 8:21We know this because when
the Bronx Freedom Fund pays bail, -
8:21 - 8:2696 percent of clients
return for every court appearance, -
8:26 - 8:29laying waste to the myth
that it's money that mattered. -
8:30 - 8:34It's powerful evidence
that we don't need cash -
8:34 - 8:35or ankle bracelets
-
8:35 - 8:39or unnecessary systems
of surveillance and supervision. -
8:39 - 8:42We simply need court reminders --
-
8:42 - 8:45simple court reminders
about when to come back to court. -
8:46 - 8:50Next, we learned that if you're held
in jail on a misdemeanor, -
8:50 - 8:5290 percent of people will plead guilty.
-
8:53 - 8:55But when the fund pays bail,
-
8:55 - 8:57over half the cases are dismissed.
-
8:59 - 9:02And in the entire history
of the Bronx Freedom Fund, -
9:02 - 9:07fewer than two percent of our clients
have ever received a jail sentence -
9:07 - 9:09of any kind.
-
9:09 - 9:16(Applause)
-
9:16 - 9:19Ramel, a week later --
-
9:19 - 9:22he was still on the boat,
locked in that jail cell. -
9:22 - 9:25He was on the cusp of losing everything,
-
9:25 - 9:27and he was about to plead guilty,
-
9:27 - 9:30and the Bronx Freedom Fund
intervened and paid his bail. -
9:30 - 9:32Now, reunited with his daughter,
-
9:32 - 9:35he was able to fight
his case from outside. -
9:35 - 9:36Look, it took some time --
-
9:36 - 9:38two years, to be exact --
-
9:38 - 9:40but at the end of that,
-
9:40 - 9:42his case was dismissed in its entirety.
-
9:43 - 9:44For Ramel --
-
9:44 - 9:49(Applause)
-
9:49 - 9:54For Ramel, the Bronx
Freedom Fund was a lifeline, -
9:54 - 9:57but for countless other Americans
locked in jail cells, -
9:57 - 9:59there is no freedom fund coming.
-
10:00 - 10:02It's time to do something about that.
-
10:02 - 10:05It's time to do something big.
-
10:05 - 10:07It's time to do something bold.
-
10:07 - 10:10It's time to do something,
maybe, audacious? -
10:10 - 10:12(Laughter)
-
10:12 - 10:15We want to take our proven,
revolving bail-fund model -
10:15 - 10:16that we built in the Bronx
-
10:16 - 10:18and spread it across America,
-
10:18 - 10:20attacking the front end
of the legal system -
10:20 - 10:22before incarceration begins.
-
10:22 - 10:24(Applause)
-
10:24 - 10:28(Cheers)
-
10:28 - 10:34(Applause)
-
10:34 - 10:35Here's the plan.
-
10:35 - 10:36(Applause)
-
10:36 - 10:38We're going to bail out
as many people as we can -
10:38 - 10:40as quickly as we can.
-
10:40 - 10:41Over the next five years,
-
10:41 - 10:44partnering with public defenders
and local community organizations, -
10:44 - 10:47we're going to set up 40 sites
in high-need jurisdictions. -
10:47 - 10:50The goal is to bail out 160,000 people.
-
10:50 - 10:52Our strategy leverages the fact
-
10:52 - 10:55that bail money comes back
at the end of a case. -
10:55 - 10:56Data from the Bronx
-
10:56 - 11:01shows that a dollar can be used
two or three times a year, -
11:01 - 11:03creating a massive force multiplier.
-
11:04 - 11:09So a dollar donated today can be used
to pay bail for up to 15 people -
11:09 - 11:11over the next five years.
-
11:11 - 11:17Our strategy also relies on the experience
and the wisdom and the leadership -
11:17 - 11:20of those who have experienced
this injustice firsthand. -
11:20 - 11:22(Applause)
-
11:22 - 11:26Each bail project site will be staffed
by a team of bail disrupters. -
11:27 - 11:31These are passionate, dedicated
advocates from local communities, -
11:31 - 11:34many of whom were formerly
incarcerated themselves, -
11:34 - 11:36who will pay bails and support clients
-
11:36 - 11:38while their cases are going
through the legal system, -
11:38 - 11:42providing them with whatever
resources and support they may need. -
11:42 - 11:45Our first two sites are up and running.
-
11:45 - 11:47One in Tulsa, Oklahoma,
-
11:47 - 11:48and one in St. Louis, Missouri.
-
11:49 - 11:50And Ramel?
-
11:51 - 11:54He's training right now to be a bail
disrupter in Queens County, New York. -
11:54 - 12:00(Applause)
-
12:00 - 12:02Our next three sites are ready to launch
-
12:02 - 12:05in Dallas, Detroit
and Louisville, Kentucky. -
12:06 - 12:09The Bail Project will attack
the money bail system -
12:09 - 12:11on an unprecedented scale.
-
12:11 - 12:16We will also listen, collect and elevate
-
12:16 - 12:18and honor the stories of our clients
-
12:18 - 12:21so that we can change hearts and minds,
-
12:21 - 12:24and we will collect
critical, national data -
12:24 - 12:28that we need so we can chart
a better path forward -
12:28 - 12:33so that we do not recreate this system
of oppression in just another form. -
12:33 - 12:35The Bail Project,
-
12:35 - 12:38by bailing out 160,000 people
over the next five years, -
12:38 - 12:42will become one of the largest
non-governmental decarcerations -
12:42 - 12:43of Americans in history.
-
12:44 - 12:45So look --
-
12:45 - 12:48(Applause)
-
12:48 - 12:50the criminal legal system, as it exists --
-
12:50 - 12:52it needs to be dismantled.
-
12:52 - 12:55But here's the thing I know
from decades in the system: -
12:55 - 12:57real, systemic change takes time,
-
12:57 - 12:59and it takes a variety of strategies.
-
12:59 - 13:01So it's going to take all of us.
-
13:01 - 13:04It's going to take
the civil rights litigators, -
13:04 - 13:08the community organizers, the academics,
the media, the philanthropists, -
13:08 - 13:10the students, the singers, the poets,
-
13:10 - 13:15and, of course, the voices and efforts
of those who are impacted by this system. -
13:16 - 13:18But here's what I also know:
-
13:18 - 13:22together, I believe we can end
mass incarceration. -
13:23 - 13:25But one last thing:
-
13:25 - 13:29those people, sitting in America,
in those jail cells, -
13:29 - 13:31in every corner of the country,
-
13:31 - 13:34who are held in jail
on bail bondage, right now -- -
13:34 - 13:36they need a lifeline today.
-
13:37 - 13:39That's where The Bail Project comes in.
-
13:40 - 13:43We have a proven model, a plan of action,
-
13:43 - 13:46and a growing network of bail disrupters
-
13:46 - 13:49who are audacious enough
to dream big and fight hard, -
13:49 - 13:52one bail at a time, for as long it takes,
-
13:52 - 13:57until true freedom and equal justice
are a reality in America. -
13:58 - 13:59Thank you.
-
13:59 - 14:06(Applause)
- Title:
- What if we ended the injustice of bail?
- Speaker:
- Robin Steinberg
- Description:
-
On any given night, more than 450,000 people in the United States are locked up in jail simply because they don't have enough money to pay bail. The sums in question are often around $500: easy for some to pay, impossible for others. This has real human consequences -- people lose jobs, homes and lives, and it drives racial disparities in the legal system. Robin Steinberg has a bold idea to change this. In this powerful talk, she outlines the plan for The Bail Project -- an unprecedented national revolving bail fund to fight mass incarceration. (This ambitious idea is a part of The Audacious Project, TED's initiative to inspire and fund global change.)
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 14:24
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